Impossible as you say! It's just a feeling, he is well respected and I liked his energy for the few matches he led. He is not the finished article, but he is a winner.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Exactly. He's not staying so why not start investing some time on our more talented kids who will still be here next season?
It’s nothing to do with Carrick or Rangnick in regards to who would have done a better job. The fact of the matter is no one gives a shit what the sub teacher says or wants, especially when you know they’re gone in 8 weeks
Carrick would have kept vibe energy going. You are not alone in that feeling. In a good scenario RR is using this slide season to do a sanctioned clear-out. At least hoping he got enough pull to be doing that.
Maybe in school that's true. We're talking about a business and professionals who are paid very well to do their job. Your excuse doesn't cut it
I don't know why he isn't using some youngsters here and there at least, seems very odd as this would immediately lift the the supporters from the floor where we're at currently.
I think we all knew he wasn't going to be a transformative manager, thats not what his track record suggests.
Put him upstairs and he can rebuild this club, I believe that ( With how bad things are I think most experienced professionals could improve our structure ) but as a head coach? It's just not his strength.
I think we all knew he wasn't going to be a transformative manager, thats not what his track record suggests.
Put him upstairs and he can rebuild this club, I believe that ( With how bad things are I think most experienced professionals could improve our structure ) but as a head coach? It's just not his strength.
It’s the same in football. These guys are on massive contracts and won’t be sold because no one has the money to pay parity and based on their performance they aren’t going to any of the clubs that could potentially afford them.
If they don’t like the temp boss they can just down tools and wait for the next one to come in. They have no desire to do the extra running or hard work for Rangnick, that much is clear from their performances.
Agree, the reason why we are in this mess is because of a complete lack of coherent long term strategy at the club and putting ragnick in a consultancy role straight away and lay down some structure at the club would have been far more of a benefit whilst carrick just kept at least positive atmosphere around the club instead of what we currently see under ragnick that must make any ambitious manager think twice about coming to our club
Player power is one of the biggest problems in modern football. They know full well Ralf ain't the guy and its been shown on the pitch, its been a killing time exercise for the next manager. I just hope that so many of these lads aren't playing for us next season.
After seeing RR it's clear as day he is more a mentor of ideas / backroom leader / club builder. He should have stayed the heck away from the hands on coaching and gone into backroom straight away. I can't believe a club our size won't fight with nails and claw to the bitter end no matter how bad. Respect has been lost for many players. Maybe there is a grand plan that starts with burning us down I don't see.
This could all be so easily avoided if contracts were made up mostly of performance based clauses, instead of there being one obscene base wage that they get regardless of performance.
The rumours of Shaw and Rashford getting new contracts is bringing my piss to a boil. We constantly reward failure, and even worse we reward laziness
The point is moot. In hindsight, when things haven't turned out that great, one can always say another option 'might' have been better. Of course.
The fact is though that at the time it was a no-go to just give the job to a nobody assistant coach whose only record was to have been present during all the dire times before. It would have been reckless, it would have been impossible to justify and un-acceptable for the fans and anyone else.
Hiring an experienced interim manager, with the proper long term candidates not available yet, was the absolute right thing to do, period.
In my opinion, you hired the wrong interim, but that is another debate.
You are correct, and he would have been massacred by fans, media and ABU-media at every turn. He ejected himself so fast and saved face. We are so huge our misfortunes taste like liquid gold to those that hate us, this is normal. Under those circumstances RR has kept a certain dignity intact. Dodging all bullets and easing the massive crash and shitshow.
RR has been much more forward in the press allowing some of the jokers in the pack less to hide behind. Called out Pogba, drops both fullbacks, drops Rashford, benches Ronny and reaffirms that’s it’s just about the team. Also speaks about people wanting to play for the club and if not - bye bye. This was an essential step toward rebuilding and one which would never have been taken with Ole in charge.
look at it this way...Martial wanted out, Jesse wanted out, Greenwood did what he did, Cavani is an international footballer only, Rashford fell off a cliff and Ronny is in complete and utter decline. That is 6 of your first 8 choices for your front 3 positions either gone or not functioning.As mentioned by RR and most top coaches, you need two capable players for each position in a squad.RR was handed a fuking empty deck from the get go. Really is no point criticising him...if city/Chelsea/pool or whoever has 6 of their front 8 gone in a similar manner...they would be fuked too.
it’s a shit show...but it ain’t Ralfs doing.
Fair enough that's true though I seem to remember there was talk that Ralf actually picked the team that night even though Carrick was technically still in charge. Regardless though Rashford has never done anything of note on the right under LVG, Jose or Ole. And he's been dog shit there under Ralf too, all I'm saying is he's barely gave him a chance on the left so it should be of no surprise he hasn't regained any sort of form or confidence. Poor management from Rangnick in my opinion.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rangnick-carrick-man-utd-arsenal-25604206
| Manager | Start date | End date | Game | Wins | Draws | Losses | GF | GA | Win % |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alex Ferguson | 06-Nov-86 | 19-May-13 | 1,500 | 895 | 338 | 267 | 2,769 | 1,365 | 59.67 |
| David Moyes | 01-Jul-13 | 22-Apr-14 | 51 | 27 | 9 | 15 | 86 | 54 | 52.94 |
| Louis van Gaal | 16-Jul-14 | 23-May-16 | 103 | 54 | 25 | 24 | 158 | 98 | 52.43 |
| José Mourinho | 27-May-16 | 18-Dec-18 | 144 | 84 | 32 | 28 | 244 | 121 | 58.33 |
| Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 19-Dec-18 | 21-Nov-21 | 168 | 91 | 37 | 40 | 323 | 165 | 54.17 |
| Ralf Rangnick | 03-Dec-21 | Ongoing | 21 | 9 | 9 | 3 | 29 | 21 | 42.86 |
He's been objectively bad. But this job was always going to be a poisoned chalice. The players were never going to respect him given his short term contract. And since losing player respect was the big thing that sunk Ole, Jose and Moyes, it was inevitable that the same thing was going to happen to Rangnick.
It makes sense now why the club initially were hoping that Solksjaer could hang on until the summer. Any interim manager was destined to fail and everyone knew it.
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This line of argument is such a cop out. There’s so many examples of temporary managers working.
We had two choices given no long term managers were available, I and others were saying this at the time. You get someone who can come in and work with the players we have and is flexible with tactics, a man manager like Ancelotti (don’t remember if we could have got him but just an example).
The other option was to risk writing off the season in preparation for a new style of play next year. This option was Ralf.
What’s happened is that he’s completely given up trying to implement anything long term and tried to adapt to what we’ve have, meaning we have the worst of both. A tactical manager who isn’t implementing his tactics and isn’t very inspiring. We’re no further in preparing the players for next year and we’re not making the top four.
He's been a disappointment for me. Obviously not everything is his fault and I didn't expect him to fix all our issues but I did expect to see him implement his philosophy and have us playing better football. I still think those three games under Carrick are probably the only time I've watched us since the first game against Leeds and thought we look like a proper team that's playing together.
Seems like we are going to make the same mistakes again
Said it before but obviously in the list of people who have left us in the fecking shambolic state we are, Ragnick would be low down.
Still though, he's been shite. We look no different now than we did under Ole. Still look like a badly coached confused mess with shit results and I think we're going to have a very poor end to the season.
Still though, he's been shite. We look no different now than we did under Ole. Still look like a badly coached confused mess with shit results and I think we're going to have a very poor end to the season.
He did implement his philosophy in the first game against CP. Then something happened and we went back to the dross. Look at yesterday's game. RR is too much of a coach not to see what Leicester was doing. A simple one. Their CF was dropping into midfield. Against CP, Lindelof was stepping into the space and denying that space for him. Here Maguire, sat back with Varane and let them do whatever they want there. It is not the coach but the players have to see that and step in.
He has his eye on replacing the guy who hired him 6 months ago? Ballsy. Seems like utter bullshit to me. He also said yesterday he knows what his role is going to be going forward.
Alternatives for the interim position were Favre, Valverde and Garcia, not Ancelotti who is likely an answer to the best man manager currently.
Also we've been much more cohesive in defence, during set pieces and during pressing. Despite all the problems with it, it's a massive paradigm shift that will likely be useful regardless of who is the manager next season.
Came in with a worthy reputation for an Interim and I do hope he stays on in a behind the scenes roll that's where he seems to excel but he's not cut it as manager. There's a million reasons why (unhappy squad, no signing in January etc) but I feel his main problem has been the refusal to drop players.
Pogba starting games when we know he's leaving, other disruptive players in and around the squad (Lingard etc should have been sold) and a failure to drop players for underperforming Maguire should have been out of the starting 11 weeks ago. It's a complete mixture of unhappy players mixed with underperforming players and we wonder why we're getting shit results.
Why isn't Matic starting? we're playing 1 game a week off the back of a 3 week break yet we insist on starting McFred who do nothing but underperform. He's not been able to make the big calls when needed.
Pogba starting games when we know he's leaving, other disruptive players in and around the squad (Lingard etc should have been sold) and a failure to drop players for underperforming Maguire should have been out of the starting 11 weeks ago. It's a complete mixture of unhappy players mixed with underperforming players and we wonder why we're getting shit results.
Why isn't Matic starting? we're playing 1 game a week off the back of a 3 week break yet we insist on starting McFred who do nothing but underperform. He's not been able to make the big calls when needed.
I honestly have no clue of what world some of our fans live in. Done well? What the actual feck. We could get relegated and some will still stick to the 'stand by your manager' mantra.
Ralf has been objectively terrible. If you replace Ole and there's not any significant difference how can that be seen as doing well.
Find this hard to believe given he is supposedly the one recommending Ten Hag as manager
A Sun journalist would make up an exclusive to get online engagement? Preposterous!
While I do agree that player power is an issue in football, but it's only truly a major issue here compared to other big clubs. You rarely get the crap we get at the likes Barca, Madrid, City, Liverpool and Bayern, who all happen to be more successful than us recently. Yet you have players likes Lingard and Rashford giving it all like they have won everything there is to win and going about things like they're a gift to us. Not just those 2 by the way, goes for so many of this squad.
The bigger issue is the club overall, mainly the board enabling all that. They made their behaviour acceptable, they are even rewarded for their failures as a team with major contracts seemingly a place in the team no matter what.
Until players are held to higher standards and even punished for their behaviours then nothing will ever change. But we're a club that focuses on PR more, so players are treated as a brand and bad press is not good for PR.
Most of the players will be here next year, forced on the manager to somehow make it all work while we sit and wonder why we continue to stink it up.
To be fair Alan Nixon is pretty decent. Also I can believe the story, why would Murtough bring someone in to take his job at the club when he only just got it? Rangnick's role was never clearly defined and I had a feeling that bad results would weaken his influence at the club. I would not be surprised if he is not here this time next year.
In the long run I’m glad that Ralf hasn’t performed miracles. It just removes him as an option as manager and ensures the board don’t have an easy out. I think his tenure has been underwhelming of course but I am sure his insight into the dressing room dynamics and how players have performed on and off the field will be a source of valuable data for the new manager.
It’s impossible to know if he should be in the overall setup moving forward. He’s had limited opportunities to put his own stamp on the team and is basically trying to get this mish mash of players over the line. But based on his history I think I’d be more comfortable with him as DOF.
It’s impossible to know if he should be in the overall setup moving forward. He’s had limited opportunities to put his own stamp on the team and is basically trying to get this mish mash of players over the line. But based on his history I think I’d be more comfortable with him as DOF.
Something tells me Rangnick wouldn’t particularly want it now even if he were bizarrely offered it. Can’t have been a great experience so far.
Do think it’s been rotten though. Out the 2 cup competitions in his first knockout matches wasn't he? And the league form, especially during an easy run of fixtures was abysmal. 4th was easy from when he took over
Do think it’s been rotten though. Out the 2 cup competitions in his first knockout matches wasn't he? And the league form, especially during an easy run of fixtures was abysmal. 4th was easy from when he took over
Really? I'm just checking his exclusives and it looks like he would have a better chance of getting things right if he was just choosing clubs and players completely at random. Having access to inner thought of the "transfer team" seems really far-fetched.
He's got the lowest win record of any Utd manager since before Fergie.
Statistics don’t tell the full story.
He will also have one of if not the lowest number of games.
Personally dont care about his winning %, the amount of games in last 9 years where we won while having no idea how to play football isnt small. He failed because he is a chicken, sold out his ways to adapt to bunch of overpaid zero fecks given feckers.
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