Same. We could have pep or klopp in charge and they wouldn't get these bunch of clowns we have winning.
I like Ralf he's obviously intelligent and knows his stuff he will do well in his role at the end of the season.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Same. We could have pep or klopp in charge and they wouldn't get these bunch of clowns we have winning.
I like Ralf he's obviously intelligent and knows his stuff he will do well in his role at the end of the season.
Thats obviously BS
We get an interim for the interim?
Nah but other teams weren't doing that great and we topped our group
Ralf was barely even rated when he got the job. hardly any accolades with a CV less than desirable. One of the least accomplished managers active but he taught Klopp and all the German managers apparently but never got a big role despite being 63
I think RR has done a good job. Yes, it could have been better. In the league we have dropped a disgusting amount of points by failing to put away a huge amount of chances we’ve created. A firing forward line and we could be easily be sat in 3rd right now.
The AM result was poor but they could do that to any team.
Given the season we had under Ole, expecting much more than what we have is pretty optimistic. We know we have many players under performing and I doubt even managerial greats would be doing much better with this team, this season.
The AM result was poor but they could do that to any team.
Given the season we had under Ole, expecting much more than what we have is pretty optimistic. We know we have many players under performing and I doubt even managerial greats would be doing much better with this team, this season.
Clutching at straws there. We were absolutely abysmal in the CL this season under Ole. Bailed out by Ronaldo twice. Truly terrible.
Bullshit
Still rate him. I think his tactical understanding and knowledge of how clubs should be run is top tier. The main doubt I have about him is having the necessary ‘cojones’ to deal with a set of vastly over inflated egos. I can imagine someone like Simeone is simply more physically suited to this, or Conte. I have no doubt RR knows what he is doing though. Despite ultimately being unsuccessful first 30 minutes against atlietico we looked awesome. Winning the ball high, cutting through the lines at will. Particularly liked this rugby style move where we would continue passing along the edge of the box to find the chink in the armour. Happened a few times.
he’s an interim and I’ve not got.a bad word to say about him considering the shit show how he inherited .
he’s an interim and I’ve not got.a bad word to say about him considering the shit show how he inherited .
Nice bloke, has a ruthlessness about him. But tactically we are no further on since Ole and results/performances are worse. We were a good counter attacking team with Ole and we should have stuck with that. Not good enough to play “the united way”
There is no United way. It’s a myth.
I agree.
Problem is that RR cannot play his game with Ronaldo. Now I saw a rumor that the board want to terminate his contract at the end of the season mainly because Ronaldo do not like him.
I think RR could have been a great coach for us had he been backed with 2 players in JAN (a CDM and a striker to replace Greenwood). Playing Ronaldo means that you in 9 out of 10 games plays with 10 men.
I think RR could have been a great coach for us had he been backed with 2 players in JAN (a CDM and a striker to replace Greenwood). Playing Ronaldo means that you in 9 out of 10 games plays with 10 men.
Interim to the interim
Only if we sign the new manager early. Would be bizarre to get another interim.
I still think that anyone who wants Ralf Rangnick to be our next full time head coach is absolutely nut-balls.
Could he have done a better job? maybe. I don't blame him however, even Pep and Klopp would have struggled in the position we were in. I lay the blame entirely on the players. There isn't a single one that deserves to be here.
I honestly think that Ralf took over the worst mess of all our previous managers post 2013. The squad is in shambles, we have a mass exodus this summer and don't even have a decent spine in place.
It's hard to judge his perfornance as a manager because Ole left the club in a state of free-fall. That said I still don't believe he's the manager we need and should move upstairs at the end of the season.
It's hard to judge his perfornance as a manager because Ole left the club in a state of free-fall. That said I still don't believe he's the manager we need and should move upstairs at the end of the season.
Anyone that's ready to cut ties with Ralf doesn't understand the reason he was brought to the club in the first place. Yes, he's been given the task of hauling into 4th place, but the bigger picture is the work he'll be doing behind the scenes for the next 2 years. Unless he's decided we're unfixable and won't stay on.
Couldnt disagree more. We play better than under Ole but results have not improved. If you believe we were a good counter attacking team, then watch our games again. It worked out only sporadically
Exactly. He’s done a terrible job considering our league position after the fixture list since Christmas.
It’s debatable how much influence he’s actually going to have. He’s only going to be a consultant at the end of the day, and his performance as manager isn’t going to do him any favours when trying to push his agenda with senior execs.
I haven’t actually seen anyone say this to be fair, I’ve seen some people say let him stay on if we can’t get a top target which I don’t necessarily disagree with. He’s got the unenviable task of managing this weird selection of players that Ole assembled and basically transitioning the team, with the slim hope of top 4, into next season where we’re going to be vastly different purely because of the huge names who are outgoing. If we don’t get a top name this summer it also opens the door for Enrique who would be my top pick.
factually topped our group though and Ronaldo is our highest paid player so he should. We went out like some lames. Athletico wasn't even good.
He’s doing ok so far but the loss to atletico was bad and because of his team selection and subs.
He brought us a better shape and balance since Ole left but our team doesn’t have players for the modern football. The board also has restricted him to make signings and certain important decisions in the lineup. Its difficult to manage a team where half of them wants to leave and constant media leaks to fuel controversies.
The media more than ever has consistently criticized United this year because of the hate of ronaldo or our past success causing an unrest in dressing room.
Lets see if he can push us to top 4 somehow.
He brought us a better shape and balance since Ole left but our team doesn’t have players for the modern football. The board also has restricted him to make signings and certain important decisions in the lineup. Its difficult to manage a team where half of them wants to leave and constant media leaks to fuel controversies.
The media more than ever has consistently criticized United this year because of the hate of ronaldo or our past success causing an unrest in dressing room.
Lets see if he can push us to top 4 somehow.
TBH I thought Carrick would have seen out the season as interim manager with RR installed behind him, whispering in his ear.
However, Carrick decided, either out of some sense of loyalty to Ole, or seeing a chance to escape the mess created... to go immediately. Ralf therefore took the hot seat himself, but he is perhaps more of a teacher than practitioner, he needs to be able to deal with similar intellects to his own and probably doesn't find that many at his level... well not in our first team squad anyway!!
If Ralf can find us a top class manager, who can make a "silk purse...etc". then it will all be worth it, bet the Glazer's are hoping so too!!
However, Carrick decided, either out of some sense of loyalty to Ole, or seeing a chance to escape the mess created... to go immediately. Ralf therefore took the hot seat himself, but he is perhaps more of a teacher than practitioner, he needs to be able to deal with similar intellects to his own and probably doesn't find that many at his level... well not in our first team squad anyway!!
If Ralf can find us a top class manager, who can make a "silk purse...etc". then it will all be worth it, bet the Glazer's are hoping so too!!
It was an easy group and still struggled massively in almost every game in it.
Not my type of cup. Too safe. Like Ole. No top guts no glory. Underdog mentality = counter attack set up. Like Ole.
Weird thing to claim when apart from maybe Atletico away and Spurs at home have we played it safe and even then it seems to be more on the players inability to hold the ball than our set up. The biggest game you’d imagine we’d play counter attacking in, city away, and he perhaps stupidly set us up to press from the front.
You do know why this is?
I think he has done ok when you consider how bad we were before he came in. The Greenwood thing was also a huge handicap. Lack of available assistant coaches also not ideal.
Top 4 is unlikely but not dead and buried just yet.
In hindsight though, appointing an interim who's style of play would be more suitable for the squad we have may have been the better option. As in there is not a lot of point in appointing the god father of pressing for only 6 months when it takes at least 6 months and a pre season to implement that type of football. Klopp took over Liverpool in October and finished 7th that season it is worth noting.
The downside is appointing someone else however is that we may not have got Ralph then as a consultant for the next 2 years and the alternative interim may not have done any better in any event.
I like Ralph though if nothing other than for his honesty and also for not buying any short tem fix players in the January transfer window.
Top 4 is unlikely but not dead and buried just yet.
In hindsight though, appointing an interim who's style of play would be more suitable for the squad we have may have been the better option. As in there is not a lot of point in appointing the god father of pressing for only 6 months when it takes at least 6 months and a pre season to implement that type of football. Klopp took over Liverpool in October and finished 7th that season it is worth noting.
The downside is appointing someone else however is that we may not have got Ralph then as a consultant for the next 2 years and the alternative interim may not have done any better in any event.
I like Ralph though if nothing other than for his honesty and also for not buying any short tem fix players in the January transfer window.
Yes.
Right.
His managerial record for United:
20 matches
W9 D8 L3 45.0%
That’s the worst record (so far) of any manager, including interims, since Dave Sexton who left the club in 1981. Granted, it’s only 20 matches, and it’s not his squad.
Hopefully we’ll perform better in the next run of matches, but with Leicester, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea still left to play, the fixture list is pretty tough. Arsenal have two games in hand and only have Chelsea and us as fixtures with so called top 6 clubs. They will be at home against us.
Yes, it’s quite a list. 9 to leave. Greenwood gone too. I saw it mentioned somewhere that we have a budget of 50m, not sure that is true and would be a disaster if that was the case. The good news is we will have a lot of wages off the books with Pogba, Ronaldo, Cavani, Mata etc gone. Maybe that will allow us to be a bit more aggressive and bring in 4-5 players.
DDG
NewRB. Varane. NewCB. Shaw
New CDM. Fred
Rashford. Bruno. Sancho
New Striker
4 players, 200m? Depth would be DvB, Martial, Maguire, Lindelof, Telles, Dalot, AWB, McT, Elanga, then the young players, Mejbri, Shoretire, etc.
sigh….
We got more points playing that way which to me suggests it was successful.
If you like Ralf, then trust him and his plan. Which is to have him go upstairs and appoint a dedicated manager. He will help recruitment and general philosophy with the manager.
Surely there can't be many who want Rangnick to stay on as manager?
His time at United so far has been pretty underwhelming, given all the hype surrounding him when he arrived I expected more. We've played 40 games this season, 20 under Solskjaer(Carrick) W9-D4-L7 & 20 games now under Ralf W9-D7-L4, so our form has marginally improved but nothing more. Not against him taking up some sort of advisory role but he definitely shouldn't be the full time manager, he shouldn't even be considered.
I’m sure some people think we were comfortably sat in 4th place when he arrived and now we aren’t, RR has failed. He’s done great under the conditions which he arrived.
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