Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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It doesn't matter how good a manager RR is, does it?
He's not here to manage beyond this season, although we missed out on Conte, but I'm glad that for once we didn't jump the gun in hiring a permanent manager. Having said that, I'm fairly certain we'd have offered him a permanent 3 year contract if he was actually any good.

He's here to instill a system or something till the time we hire our next permanent manager.
 
I think he's doing okay with the mess that Solskjaer left behind. But tbh I'm not particularly arsed about how he's doing at this point; we know he's not going to be manager for much longer. The positive that II cling on to is that he will know beyond reasonable doubt which players are utter shite and should be moved on. His knowledge should help the next manager bed in much quicker, and hopefully it won't be another case of a new manager giving all the dross another chance to see what they can do.
 
Bebestation said:
Considering how this season is going/has gone -

I do wonder if going for Van Gaal as an interim to Ten Hag would have been a decent decision.

Most fans would probably not be able to handle that though.
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I have never been as bored watching us as I was under LVG’s style. Zero entertainment.
 
DSG said:
Expectations are not different for me. Ralf has the same expectations as Ole, Jose, LvG, Moyes. Reach top 4.

We scoff at Real Madrid for making quick managerial changes… but look at their record.
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Ole's first season when he joined as interim is more comparable to this situation and no we didn't finish top 4 that season (despite finishing 2nd the season before). Ole was rewarded with the full time job btw.

Even if Rangnick finishes top 4 we shouldn't hire him.
 
Whether you are still an Ole lover or for/against Rangnick its the same - We have too many players not performing. If you said at the start of the season Ronaldo would be sht, Greenwood awol, Martial gone, Cavani more or less gone and Rashford completely collapsed and we would be relying on Sancho and Elanga then you would have thought it impossible. And thats just the strikers! We could then add Brunos form would drastically dip, Maguires form would drastically dip, Shaw would be as good as useless along with WB and on and on. Would anyone at the start of the season have foreseen that?!

I just dont know wtf is wrong with these players. I've seen players in bad form but not every single player and not for a majority of the season. We can all judge the players and the manager and say they should be sold etc. But its beyond that now. The disease is so deep that nothing seems to fix it. I dont care even if Pep or Klopp sign up right now. The patient is dead. We just need to get to the end of the season, regroup and start again.

And as I keep saying considering these circumstances Rangnick has been doing a good job
 
This Ole thing is nuts. He's gone. He had 3 seasons spent a fortune on players not even good enough to play the way he wanted.
RR has had 3 months and has had to work with the same players with coaches he could only get to work with for 3/4 months and with no players of his own.
No wonder we are still getting the same shit football in the big games.
 
I have been neither impressed or disappointed with Ralf, it's an interim appointment, was always seen as temporary, and his job was not about delivering some inspirational resolution to fix what are very long-term issues.

The players, the club have to address the wider issues that have represented the club over the last decade .. poor executive management, leading to poor football management and coaching appointments. We have loads of cash and no direction or hunger. I actually think RR sees that, and has provided a sense of realism to matters. I also commend him in his approach to managing the squad, allowing Van Der Beek to move, he actually wanted Jesse to move, Martial..he has told Pogba he can go (no one else has..), he deals with CR7 v well, and he has promoted Elanga who wanted to leave the club. These are things to be commended.

Our season was poor (for our squad etc...) prior to his arrival, and I cannot see much changing in performance between now and early May.
 
What can Ralf do, walking into this train wreck for a few months? The club is toxic, from the owners to the players. It's a long term project which requires a genius of Fergie proportions to salvage it over a number of years. Ralf is doing his level best in an impossible situation.
 
He is doing alright. Made some poor decisions (loaning players who are clearly needed now, playing some players out of form) but I didn't expect much better. All I hope is that he and others make a tough assessment of the players and are ruthless in summer. Let's promote young, hungry players who want to give their all
 
The way he wants to play we can see. But the players are unable to do so. He has been given a very tough job. He has to play Maguire, and mcfred. The only surprise was DVB. The rest pick themselves because he has no choice.
No I don't think he should be given the job long term but he is one of the best in the building of a football club. Get ETN and put RR in charge of the football side and we can build this club. Too many useless players in this side needs to be sold. Even at a huge loss.
 
Tough job for RR, I do like him but he was never gonna get anything out of some of these egos. Some of the untouchables don't even run, some declare themselves unfit to play.. some downing tools... some need time off to get their heads right...need total clearout of this arrogant dross ...create a new culture at the club.
 
I don't think this 4222 will ever work with these players or in this league, it's out dated and it's to easy to out number the midfield. Especially when you see how technically and tactically poor they are.

The players just aren't comfortable enough on the ball to retain possession for sustained periods to build pressure. Even if they were playing 3 in the middle this would still be the case. Appalling how bad the first touch, passing and movement is from most of these.

Off the ball there is such a lack of discipline and awareness of danger that teams will just cut through that midfield with relative ease.

Fitness levels are clearly a problem too, I'd like to know how have these guys been allowed to get in a state where they are basically all gassed after 60 mins. Maguire plays like he's got a bad hangover. Pogba just stops moving after an hour. The rest just gave up or didn't even try yesterday.
 
Tom Cato said:
If someone told you that Ole donated to charity you would go out of your way to find a negative. I challenge you to say something positive about the players or the club in general.
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I was a fan of the club long before Ole became the manager. So, I have thousands of positives things to say about the club. Contrary to you, I didn't become a fan due to Ole being a manager.
 
First half was okay and if it wasn’t for brain dead defending we would have been in better position. But second half the true character of the squad was on display. There is nothing Ralf can do with this lot. Atleast his assessment of the squad will be better for next season.
 
I like Ralf and I think he is a very smart person, but obviously lacking the experience from managing a top club with all the differences involved from a lesser one.
What has become quite evident for me now is that he is being eaten by the machinery, he is slowly but surely feeling the huge strain of working with this enormous apparatus facing him. He hasn't given up, but you listen to his interviews and see a man that is just being realistic rather than optimistic.
That tells me we are in bigger trouble, because who the hell would be strong enough to cope with it? Klopp for sure, but ten Hag or Pochettino? Who knows... the situation sucks and we need so much change.
 
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A great idea very poorly implemented. 3 out of the back 4 slow as feck.. a keeper who doesn't come off his line. Paul Pogba as a false 9 and being asked to lead the press from the front and 2 headless chickens in midfield who can press but leave acres in behind.
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Not this nob again, I thought he was a banned source?
 
DSG said:
I hear you. For me, it has nothing to do with Ole. It has everything to do with Ralf. @VP89 @bond19821982 are the admiral and captain of the Ralf Rangnick fanboy club. My stance: Ole can be not good enough AND Ralf can be not good enough. And the players can be not good enough, or at least some players.

Look fellas, it’s okay to criticize Ralf. It doesn’t mean that your criticism of Ole is off target. I refuse to believe that a squad that got 2nd last season is complete shite, 1 to 25. Can we really look ourselves in a mirror and say that Allegri or Ancelloti couldn’t come in And guide us to 4th?
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Dont quote me. Youre not worth my time.
 
led_scholes said:
I was a fan of the club long before Ole became the manager. So, I have thousands of positives things to say about the club. Contrary to you, I didn't become a fan due to Ole being a manager.
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Please dont gatekeep fandom. Also Ive been a fan of the club since 89.

My larger point is: I dont think Ive ever seen you post something that wasnt entirely negative. Dont you want to share something positive?
 
Andy Mitten said some pretty telling things on the Athletic podcast today. Suggested the players have been unhappy with the preparation and coaching since Rangnick came in, some of it's down to a bunch of coaching staff leaving and replacing them with whatever was available at the time.

 
crossy1686 said:
Andy Mitten said some pretty telling things on the Athletic podcast today. Suggested the players have been unhappy with the preparation and coaching since Rangnick came in, some of it's down to a bunch of coaching staff leaving and replacing them with whatever was available at the time.

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Boo fecking hoo, we've allowed players enough power that they can complain about what manager and coaches we bring in. Easy ride under Ole and that coaching staff and now they have to work they are pissed off? Genuinely never had such a hateable bunch of players at this club
 
L1nk said:
Boo fecking hoo, we've allowed players enough power that they can complain about what manager and coaches we bring in. Easy ride under Ole and that coaching staff and now they have to work they are pissed off? Genuinely never had such a hateable bunch of players at this club
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Completely agree. This is what happens when you give in to player power and let them run the club. They will always down tools under a strong manager who won't wheel himself out after a game and take the blame for a loss
 
Does it mention what they're unhappy about in particular? I imagine the intense training sessions that last a bit longer than what they want?

It isn't a surprise that they're unhappy about it to be honest. They've had an easy ride under Ole and Phelan.
 
bond19821982 said:
Thread policing :lol: - mate this is what I told you have no idea about the context. @DSG has been calling out me and @VP89 everytime we have a bad result. Reason ? We have been supporting Ralph in the initial phases of his tenure. This is the guy who started criticizing Ralph on Jan 13 (exactly after some limited training sessions and a covid outbreak). This is the guy who compared Ole's 3 year tenure and RR's 3 month tenure and argued he has a better win %.

Now, I dont need to be an expert to understand someone's intentions when someone is trying to criticize for the sake of it. You don't compare an interim manager who just had 3 months (including a covid outbreak, no Jan signings and a rape case due to which he lost an important player) with someone who spent 500m and 3 years. That's not how it works mate !
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Why arent we comparing interim period to interim period? That is the only comparable variable Ralf and Ole share in terms of managerial status.

It would be helpful to talk about relevant things such as: Why is there no noticeable managerial bump? Why are attackers struggling to convert? What happened in the second half yesterday? Things that are relevant to today.
Rangnick has gotten some weird mythical level status on Redcafe after the "gegenpress" became a talking point, despite never seeing a lot of top end success himself as a manager, despite having had a full career. The CL semi final in the early 2000s is by far the highlight, and the game has changed a lot since then.

We are allowing fewer goals against mid to low-tier PL opposition = Great
Scoring is way down = very bad.

Bruno Fernandes is some way of his productive self, Rashford has still not recovered his 2019/2020 form, Harry is still bad, Luke Shaw is out in the cold. So what is going on? Can Ralf do anything differently? Are we FINALLY putting some blame on the players?
 
crossy1686 said:
Andy Mitten said some pretty telling things on the Athletic podcast today. Suggested the players have been unhappy with the preparation and coaching since Rangnick came in, some of it's down to a bunch of coaching staff leaving and replacing them with whatever was available at the time.

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They can feck off. The performance in the second half isnt something that needs to be coached. Closing down, effort, getting stuck into tackles, simple fecking passes. If you cant do that you shouldn't be training for United let alone starting games.
 
Tom Cato said:
Please dont gatekeep fandom. Also Ive been a fan of the club since 89.

My larger point is: I dont think Ive ever seen you post something that wasnt entirely negative. Dont you want to share something positive?
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That coincidentally joined the forum after Ole became the manager.

If you want to see recent positive things from me, go to the Sancho thread.
 
led_scholes said:
That coincidentally joined the forum after Ole became the manager.

If you want to see recent positive things from me, go to the Sancho thread.
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Yes I did. I never bothered to take part in online discussion outside of Norway but when Ole joined I wanted to have a conversation with fellow reds in the uk and abroad.

Its a shame so many posters are outright hostile.
 


Ralf has done more in the game than the majority of the players in the team have ever done except cash in a fat undeserved check week in week out. Absolute wasters.
 
L1nk said:


Ralf has done more in the game than the majority of the players in the team have ever done except cash in a fat undeserved check week in week out. Absolute wasters.
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All right lads, we will move Ralf upstairs and you smart arses choose the team and tactics and lets see how well you do.
 
VP89 said:
It was such an obvious headline from players avoiding responsibility.
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It's never their flaming fault. How many managers have they worked their way through. About time they were taking the blame. They just want the money and lifestyle without any effort.
 
Say what you want about him improving us on the pitch somewhat but the fact of the matter is he's failed to utilize what has been an easy run and when we've played a genuinely world class outfit decided to start Harry Maguire and shipped four goals. Top four is pretty much gone against fecking Arsenal :lol: he's done a fairly bad job even as an interim unless he turns it around swiftly.
 
Tom Cato said:
Yes I did. I never bothered to take part in online discussion outside of Norway but when Ole joined I wanted to have a conversation with fellow reds in the uk and abroad.

Its a shame so many posters are outright hostile.
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You spent a long time demanding only praise for Ole and denying any of the exact faults that led us here. Suddenly you're fine with criticising the manager, it's transparent.

If you demonstrate that you're not discussing the subject matter in good faith why would anyone care.

As for your interim to interim comparison. It doesn't work when the same person is responsible for leaving the mess behind.
 
Tom Cato said:
Yes I did. I never bothered to take part in online discussion outside of Norway but when Ole joined I wanted to have a conversation with fellow reds in the uk and abroad.

Its a shame so many posters are outright hostile.
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What's your agenda now? RR is shit but Ole was a miracle worker?

Ole spend half a billion, only to never win even the Europa in 2 efforts, and left a broken dream with dross players.

If you think Ole is anyway close in comparison to RR, or any other PL manager, it is just delusion.

I hope at least Ole pays you something.
 
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