Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[lilcurt]

Sounds stupid and most will disagree but I'd give Ralf another season. I feel we are finding a style of play and just lack the right people. We should have won so many matches we have drawn but due to terrible finishing (which isn't on Ralf) we find ourselves out of the top 4 race.

A summer clear out and some good acquisitions, let Ralf have another season to print an identity on us and then see where we go from there.

If Poch is the right answer then for me, we're asking to wrong question.

Ten Hag I think will just have a similar impact to Ralf but with our squad as it is, it needs major surgery and atleast Ralf has had 8 months to assess it come July.

 

[girish]

He needs to bench Ronaldo.

It has reached critical stage now. It is going to cost him top 4 points.

I think it's cost him already.

 

[Red Rash]

Generally I think he has been good. Hasn't been afraid to drop some of the first team players from last season at different times during his reign (Rashford, Maguire, Shaw, AWB etc) and today the style of play was really good.

The only problem I see is he doesn't seems to want to take off players like Ronaldo and Bruno and still keeps bringing on Rashford even when massively out of form. I think he is probably under some pressure from the board to play certain players for marketing reasons and although it's easy for us to say he shouldn't the club pays his wages.

 

[Red Dreams]

Elanga, Rashford or Bruno could play up front and Sancho start. They're not great options but preferable to Ronaldo stinking it up without getting a rest at 37.

By leaving Ronaldo off in our current situation of strikers, Ralf would be saying to him. You are useless.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

No blame on Ralf for terrible finishing. Has little to choose from for any alternative

 

[MinGin]

I can agree with that, but I can also say that Ralf should have sent a stronger message to everyone by taking Ronaldo off instead of one of our deeper midfielders. It's all nice and dandy that we look like we're playing better football with some structure, but it amounts to nothing if we don't score and unless you make sure that no one is untouchable on a bad day.

The only fault of RR today is kept Ronaldo in a full match.
Maybe Ronaldo is a non-substituted players by a Interim manager.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Despite the results he’s improved us a great deal I think. We play good football but we don’t have as much quality in the squad as we think we do.

I'm afraid I'm not seeing this good football. Chances were there because the players are quality. But its been three months and I still don't see any sort of cohesion, or patterns of play. We still seem to be relying on moments of magic from Bruno and Pogba, and now Elanga.

 

[stefan92]

Yes but it doesn't make having Southampton and Leeds two of the four teams you have most in common with a good thing.

The other two are Chelsea and Liverpool, being similar to them surely would not be a bad thing? However those stats are a comparison of style, not of quality. Whether you get good or bad results depends on a lot more qualities, so I don't think you can say a certain style is good or bad in general.

 

[buckooo1978]

Really good performance i felt - created plenty but just lacking finishing

players in attacking areas had space - not sure how much of that was Rangnick coaching or Watford's structure

Rangnick really needs to bite the bullet against City though and drop Ronaldo

 

[flameinthesun]

Really good performance - just lacking finishing

Rangnick really needs to bite the bullet against City though and drop Ronaldo

Agreed, I'd put Elanga up front.

 

[PoTMS]

You can only blame poor finishing for so long. He has been a failure thus far. His only aim was to get top 4. It's safe to say he will not be achieving that. I can't believe people think this is the best we could achieve with the group of players he had when he came in.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

By leaving Ronaldo off in our current situation of strikers, Ralf would be saying to him. You are useless.

He would but someone almost needs to humble Ronaldo a bit and make him realise his current level. Still thinks he's the best player in the world. The tantrums when subbed for example, when it's for his own benefit to manage his games and rest at 37 years old. They don't "show him to be the winner he is", they just make him look delusional as to his current level.

 

[Lee565]

Carrick would have accumulated more points and actually played more entertaining football than what we have seen under ragnick

 

[Red Dreams]

We have to hope Cavani is fit again.
Or things will get dire.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

We've had control like this at various points under Ole. I think us playing a fresh Matic was the reason for this, more so than simply training improvements. He's done ok, but its clear he isn't our future manager.

Not this season

 

[InspiRED]

I'm afraid I'm not seeing this good football. Chances were there because the players are quality. But its been three months and I still don't see any sort of cohesion, or patterns of play. We still seem to be relying on moments of magic from Bruno and Pogba, and now Elanga.

And you backed Ole for years! Honestly it's just comedy now.

 

[Samid]

- Failed to beat Newcastle
- Failed to beat Burnley away
- Failed to beat Watford
- Needed a late penalty against Norwich

That's just the relegation candidates.

- Bottled a 2 goal lead against Villa
- Beaten at home by Wolves
- Draw against Saints where their manager pointed out our weaknesses afterwards
- Outclassed by Atletico but got rescued by a late goal out of thin air
- Got eliminated by a Championship team in the cup

He can't score the chances but he sure as feck can decide which players are out there. Ronaldo is a stiff lamppost but plays 90 minutes. The fact that he's crippling his team by having a player who can't move play 90 mins every game is totally on him.

And the worst part is that in his 2.5 months he has had the easiest fixture list any manager could ever dream of. The only half decent side we've played (Atletico) schooled us (and if we apply the same "he can't score the chances" nonsense to that game then we should've been out of that tie already).

City, Spurs, Atletico and Liverpool in our next 4 games. 5 of the remaining 11 league games are against top 6 team. Good fecking luck.

In case people aren't aware, football is a results business. Under Ralf we're incapable of beating the bottom teams. We're incapable of beating mid-table teams. We're incapable of beating Championship team. Which fecking teams are we actually supposed to beat? Stop making excuses for this shower of shite.

 

[Superunknown]

I can agree with that, but I can also say that Ralf should have sent a stronger message to everyone by taking Ronaldo off instead of one of our deeper midfielders. It's all nice and dandy that we look like we're playing better football with some structure, but it amounts to nothing if we don't score and unless you make sure that no one is untouchable on a bad day.

I'm on the fence with Ronaldo. Yes, there's a strong argument that he should have come off, due to the chances that he missed and his all-round play. At the same time, he is one of the best strikers in the world, and I'm not sure how great that looks if we took him off whilst we were pushing for a winner. He's also the type of player who could get the winning goal, from a late cross or tap-in, so I think there is logic in keeping him on. Even when he's not playing well, he has the potential to get the goal. For that alone, I can totally understand why he was kept on.

Alongside that, our attacking options are rather slim. Would we have replaced him for Rashford? He's looking out of form and I'm not confident that this would have improved things. Unfortunately, I don't think there was an obvious answer from the bench. Had Cavani been available, then there could be a strong argument for swapping Ronaldo for him.

What this does show is that not only is the midfield area (specifically a defensive mid) in need of improvement in the Summer window, but we also need to desperately look at the attacking options, too. We have so much work to do...

 

[mu4c_20le]

And you backed Ole for years! Honestly it's just comedy now.

We had 11 draws last season, the real comedy is the constant grasping of straws to defend an agenda.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Carrick would have accumulated more points and actually played more entertaining football than what we have seen under ragnick

Carrick played very pragmatic football in two of his three games in charge? Chelsea game he parked the bus.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

No blame on Ralf for terrible finishing. Has little to choose from for any alternative

Agreed that his hands are tight. A lot of players horribly out of form, Greenwood out, just ageing (physically and mentally) squad. Noone except fred, bruno and elanga willing to work hard off the ball.

Seems logical to me hiring some manager post-Ronaldo ( hopefully he leaves after this season) to shuffle things around, try younger players and implement finally what we are aiming for long term, fast aggressive fluid football which happen to be a thing outside Old Trafford for several years now.

 

[Red Dreams]

He would but someone almost needs to humble Ronaldo a bit and make him realise his current level. Still thinks he's the best player in the world. The tantrums when subbed for example, when it's for his own benefit to manage his games and rest at 37 years old. They don't "show him to be the winner he is", they just make him look delusional as to his current level.

Own benefit?
He just cannot do it anymore.
Its nothing to do with attitude.

We are paying a bucket load for a player who is past it.

Whose fault is that.

Look at our money hungry board.

 

[PoTMS]

Honestly, there's nothing more idiotic than those who want another season of Rangnick. It's like you don't want us to succeed.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

Carrick would have accumulated more points and actually played more entertaining football than what we have seen under ragnick

Jeezus, yes, Carrick, the guy who almost always shat his pants, whenever putting out a starting eleven, not talking about his tactics either..

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Own benefit?
He just cannot do it anymore.
Its nothing to do with attitude.

We are paying a bucket load for a player who is past it.

Whose fault is that.

Look at our money hungry board.

I agree with you, he's past it and it's the board's fault and the club for being so entralled to nostalgia. It's just that what little gas Ronaldo has left in the tank might be better used in certain games and with rest periods, not play 90 minutes of every game in all competitions.

 

[Lee565]

Carrick played very pragmatic football in two of his three games in charge? Chelsea game he parked the bus.

We atleast showed good spirit and character in those games, now we currently look like a robotic side going through the motion, it's reminiscent of the bad periods under van gaal.

 

[Red Dreams]

Honestly, there's nothing more idiotic than those who want another season of Rangnick. It's like you don't want us to succeed.

We have an idiotic board that has brought us to this.
They are lucky to have Ralf.

But a decent manager will think several times before he comes here working with this board.

 

[PoTMS]

We have an idiotic board that has brought us to this.
They are lucky to have Ralf.

But a decent manager will think several times before he comes here working with this board.

Well you're not wrong about the board, but not sure I can agree with you regarding Rangnick.

 

[Red Dreams]

I agree with you, he's past it and it's the board's fault and the club for being so entralled to nostalgia. It's just that what little gas Ronaldo has left in the tank might be better used in certain games and with rest periods, not play 90 minutes of every game in all competitions.

He simply had no options left.
Elanga played.
The alternative would be to play Bruno as a false 9.

What a sad state this club is in.

 

[DSG]

There goes top 4.

A 0-0 draw against an absolutely dreadful Watford side. I made a comment several pages back that maybe there isn’t enough finishing drills in training and this was laughed at by the Caf. We have scored 44 goals in 27 matches or 1.63 goals per match this season. Last year was 73 goals in 38 matches or 1.92 goals per match.

Total xG is calculated differently among sites, but it varies from 40 to 46 amongst different sites, and on average 1.53xg to 1.74xg…

Don’t look now, but we scored more goals under Ole last season, and we had a higher xG. Furthermore, under Ralf’s stewardship, we’ve scored at a rate of 1.41 goals per match, so this season’s goals per game were actually BETTER under Ole.

And we’ve had a run of easy fixtures against mid table and relegation level sides.

@VP89 and @bond19821982

Ralf Rangnick’s managerial statistics:
Matches: 17
W8 D8 L1 47.06%

Ole’s managerial statistics
Matches 168
W91 D37 L40 54.17%

Ralf is not suitable to manage this club, not in permanent nor interim roles. I hope he turns it around, I hope we can reach top 4, but right now it looks very bleak. We could come out of March with 0 points given the fixtures we have.

 

[Red Dreams]

Well you're not wrong about the board, but not sure I agree with you regarding Rangnick.

His football has been the best I have seen since Fergie.

I actually enjoyed the match on so many levels except the finishing.
Who is to blame for that? Not Ralf.

 

[mu4c_20le]

The real test is coming up.

City (A)
Spurs (H)
Atletico (H)
Liverpool (A)
Leicester (H)
Everton (A)
Noriwch (H)
Arsenal (A)


Godspeed, Ralf.

 

[lex talionis]

The only reasonable debate to be had right now is whether we should have gone all in on Conte or do as we did with Ralf.

Today the moaning has to be about our poor finishing, not about Ralf getting the tactics wrong.

 

[El Zoido]

I think he’s improved us a lot. We look far more organised and have a much better structure. Remember under Ole we were shipping chance after chance to absolutely every team we faced. No more under Ralf, it’s a huge improvement. However, the goals need to come.

 

[Telsim]

Yeah, I’m starting to think this isn’t going to work. Can’t even beat Watford at home, while Arsenal are 2 points behind us with 3 games in hand. And we are now entering a dreadful period when it’s likely we are going to drop a lot of points. 3 points today would have been invaluable in the long term. But he is also handicapped by the quality of the squad, which is lacking, to say the least. Maybe he will come good, we will see.

 

[VP89]

There goes top 4.

A 0-0 draw against an absolutely dreadful Watford side. I made a comment several pages back that maybe there isn’t enough finishing drills in training and this was laughed at by the Caf. We have scored 44 goals in 27 matches or 1.63 goals per match this season. Last year was 73 goals in 38 matches or 1.92 goals per match.

Total xG is calculated differently among sites, but it varies from 40 to 46 amongst different sites, and on average 1.53xg to 1.74xg…

Don’t look now, but we scored more goals under Ole last season, and we had a higher xG. Furthermore, under Ralf’s stewardship, we’ve scored at a rate of 1.41 goals per match, so this season’s goals per game were actually BETTER under Ole.

And we’ve had a run of easy fixtures against mid table and relegation level sides.

@VP89 and @bond19821982

Ralf Rangnick’s managerial statistics:
Matches: 17
W8 D8 L1 47.06%

Ole’s managerial statistics
Matches 168
W91 D37 L40 54.17%

Ralf is not suitable to manage this club, not in permanent nor interim roles. I hope he turns it around, I hope we can reach top 4, but right now it looks very bleak. We could come out of March with 0 points given the fixtures we have.

For his philosophy and style it will take much longer to take into effect. In particular windows of his own players and not a shower of shite in attack (bar Sancho and maybe Elanga)

If Ajax used your evaluation they would have sacked Ten Hag before he showed his true worth, which is a testiment to the amount of BS you talk.

Your XG point is BS too by the way, and Ole lost 4-1 to this side.

 

[MinGin]

I'm afraid I'm not seeing this good football. Chances were there because the players are quality. But its been three months and I still don't see any sort of cohesion, or patterns of play. We still seem to be relying on moments of magic from Bruno and Pogba, and now Elanga.

Wow, of cause we need to rely on player's quality..no mangers can be relied on tactic ONLY..This is why the Players' salary is higher than Managers' that much.
We are turning to a pressing team within this three months, so you can see that our team was pressing within 45-60mins in a match.
But when you have a slot of players who cannot press in full 90mins, then it's not the manager fault. It's the board fault for selecting a high pressing tactic's manager to be a manager.

Today, we create a lot of chance and be less threatened by Watford. It means that his tactic is work. But the player's quality of finishing cost RR to be a drew match.

 

[InspiRED]

- Failed to beat Newcastle
- Failed to beat Burnley away
- Failed to beat Watford
- Needed a late penalty against Norwich

That's just the relegation candidates.

- Bottled a 2 goal lead against Villa
- Beaten at home by Wolves
- Draw against Saints where their manager pointed out our weaknesses afterwards
- Outclassed by Atletico but got rescued by a late goal out of thin air
- Got eliminated by a Championship team in the cup

He can't score the chances but he sure as feck can decide which players are out there. Ronaldo is a stiff lamppost but plays 90 minutes. The fact that he's crippling his team by having a player who can't move play 90 mins every game is totally on him.

And the worst part is that in his 2.5 months he has had the easiest fixture list any manager could ever dream of. The only half decent side we've played (Atletico) schooled us (and if we apply the same "he can't score the chances" nonsense to that game then we should've been out of that tie already).

City, Spurs, Atletico and Liverpool in our next 4 games. 5 of the remaining 11 league games are against top 6 team. Good fecking luck.

In case people aren't aware, football is a results business. Under Ralf we're incapable of beating the bottom teams. We're incapable of beating mid-table teams. We're incapable of beating Championship team. Which fecking teams are we actually supposed to beat? Stop making excuses for this shower of shite.

That is, impressively, probably the most negative frame that it is possible to put on Rangnick's time here so far. Some of it doesn't even make sense!

 

[PoTMS]

He's here for 6 months! His only job was to get us top 4, not rebuild the teams ethos and philosophy in 6 months otherwise he would've been given much longer or in reality a better manager would've come in.

 

[lilcurt]

Yeah, I’m starting to think this isn’t going to work. Can’t even beat Watford at home, while Arsenal are 2 points behind us with 3 games in hand. And we are now entering a dreadful period when it’s likely we are going to drop a lot of points. 3 points today would have been invaluable in the long term. Maybe he will come good, we will see.

What did today have to do with Ralf that would suggest he "didn't come good". He did everything a coach could do to get the win today.

Our forwards were awful at finishing, missing sitters and Ronaldo is finished.