Lingard went to Ralf again on the Monday who reiterated that he was free to leave, again, after Greenwood. This has all been very widely reported
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Lingard went to Ralf again on the Monday who reiterated that he was free to leave, again, after Greenwood. This has all been very widely reported
Thanks for being a voice of reason on here.
At least whenever we're not slagging off the Bundesliga, in those situations you are biased and wrong.
Just watched pre match press conference in full, and I honestly thought RR was again brilliant. This is an intelligent, mature football man who knows what he wants and how to get there. Make no mistake, if he got angry or wanted to make a point, he would take all of those journos to the cleaners. It takes time, but we are getting better..
I'm not Ralf out or anything, I think he's a good choice for caretaker until the summer. Maybe further as well if no good options are available in the summer. (Maybe even with an understanding that he moves upstairs midseason even with good results, if the right long-term option becomes available.)
But I'm getting a little annoyed at the media's claims that he has changed us around since we have won 5 in the last 8, compared to the last manager who lost 5 of their last 7.
Yes we are now in 4th, compared to 7th the round before. But the last manager had us 4th five games before his last, and 5th two games before.
There's a slight difference between meeting:
Crystal Palace (W)
Norwich (W)
Brentford (W)
Newcastle (D) (Won 4-1 earlier in season)
Burnley (W)
Wolves (L) (Won narrowly earlier in season)
Aston Villa (D) (Lost narrowly earlier in season)
West Ham (W)
And meeting:
Aston Villa (L)
Everton (D)
Leicester (L)
Liverpool (L)
Spurs (W)
Man City (L)
Watford (L)
I know it's hard to quantify this properly, but in that bad run of seven games we faced an at the time averagely placed opposition at 8th place in the table, six of the seven were in the Top 10. Their table position at the time of the matches were 2-3-4-6-8-10. This includes matches from the 6th round, and the 5th place there is 16th now (Everton). So if we take into consideration the table position today, the average opposition is placed at 9(.28)th place. With four of the seven in Top 10, specifically 1-2-7-10).
For Rangnick's eight matches the average opposition table position at the time of matches were 13th, with three in the Top10, 4-8-10. If we compare to today's table position the average placement is still 13(.375)th, with two out of eight in the Top10, 5-8.
And before anyone wants to criticize me for cherry picking, leaving out the five "easier" games at the start of the season, if we include those, the last manager met averagely placed opposition of 10(.333)th place at the time over 12 matches, taking today's table into consideration (since those early games of the season is more of a lottery) the average opposition table placement is 10(.666)th.
Yes, we had to change the manager with how things went in his final 2 months. I'm not making excuses for him. We're United and we should be winning every game and so on. But the fact that we're now conceding less goals may have something to do with the opposition we've been facing lately. Any manager in the world (almost) should have been able to win these games. I thought in December that really we shouldn't lose any game from then through February with the matches scheduled. I just hope that Ralf has been able to make enough changes on the training pitch come March when his first real test of challenging games start coming right after each other (+ CL R16 on the 23rd of Feb).
I have hope that our run of better results will continue. But it will take more work before I'm convinced we are heading in a better direction.
If it is a choice between Ralf and Poch the pussy, I would pick Ralf easily.
But the Glazers don't want a man who thinks and says what he believes.
But the Glazers don't want a man who thinks and says what he believes.
I’m not a massive fan of Poch, but where has this obedient lapdog narrative come from? 
Why is everyone suddenly saying Ralf will leave and not see out his contract with regards to consultancy?
Given the character of the man I think that’s way off the mark. He’s been desperate to be involved in English football for years.
Given the character of the man I think that’s way off the mark. He’s been desperate to be involved in English football for years.
Quite frankly, I have been disappointed in Rangnicks player management, it's been really poor.
You say it yourself, he wants to be involved. If it's true that Lingard got his time off by Murtough without consulting Rangnick about that, when Rangnick is actually the current interim manager, why should Rangnick believe he will be involved in the way he wants, when he officially will only be a consultant?
I think again everyone is jumping to huge conclusions and panicking. Seems common on the Caf these days.
He’s only been at the club for few months, and is in a new role amongst a newly assembled club structure. As with any job there’s going to be niggles and miscommunications that need ironing out.
To suggest he will walk away so easily is sensationalist nonsense and in my opinion out of touch with the real world.
Its more down to the way we played rather than the results. Of course result ended up sacking Ole but we were beyond hopeless in those matches. We got spanked 4-1 against Watford of all teams.
Under Rangnick things have not been extremely good but there is a certain degree of control that we just didn't have under Ole. There is progress even if the teams we faced aren't top quality. We didn't show that even when results were good in first 6-7 games under Ole.
Ralf does not come across as a defeatist.
I think he would grab the opportunity to be a permanent manager.
But the way the Glazers run this club, I wont hold my breath.
Of course, otherwise this thread would be much, much shorter
We are desperate and Rangnick is our only beacon of hope for some real change to happen in the club. So far we still can't see any major progress but at least there is hope with Rangnick.
Otherwise it's pretty grim with no real changes to the football structure except Ed is gone. The rest are still here Arnold, Murtough. Hopefully, they will be different from their mate Ed.
Otherwise it's pretty grim with no real changes to the football structure except Ed is gone. The rest are still here Arnold, Murtough. Hopefully, they will be different from their mate Ed.
Of course, otherwise this thread would be much, much shorter
Find it odd people suggesting he’ll leave so soon when there’s absolutely nothing to suggest it.
In any new role there’s going to be teething issues and annoyances. The vast majority of people don’t just walk away and understand cultural change can take a long time to influence and achieve.
Rangnick strikes me as a smart guy and he’ll appreciate that.
I’m not a massive fan of Poch, but where has this obedient lapdog narrative come from?
Gobs**tes on Twitter who somehow believe that because Pochettino didn't win a major trophy at Spurs that he's not an elite manager.
You can test the idea that these people are parroting prominent Twitter accounts by asking
- Who was the best United manager post SAF (A - Jose)
- Who should we have appointed instead of RR? (A - Conte)
- Why was Ole appointed? (A - Glazers wanted a puppet who wouldn't ask for money)
There's more but I can't be bothered.
One point Ragnik made about the 'Boro game is about how we pressed prior to their goal but, then didn't win the ball and changed sides. At the time it happened, I immediately thought, why the heck didn't we at least foul. Varane had gone completely out of position and soon as the player was a bit free, thought ahh feck we are in trouble.
The one thing I seem to always see with top teams that press higher up the pitch is if they can't win the ball, they will tactically foul. Something we never seem to do. It's why we've been so vulnerable on counters or off our own corners. There should be the mantra, win the ball but, if not then be smart to know to take the foul. In the Boro instance, Varane should have recognized he is out of position and should he not win the ball then we are in a very dangerous situation. This has to be something that the manger wants and coaches or players are not going to do it.
The one thing I seem to always see with top teams that press higher up the pitch is if they can't win the ball, they will tactically foul. Something we never seem to do. It's why we've been so vulnerable on counters or off our own corners. There should be the mantra, win the ball but, if not then be smart to know to take the foul. In the Boro instance, Varane should have recognized he is out of position and should he not win the ball then we are in a very dangerous situation. This has to be something that the manger wants and coaches or players are not going to do it.
Basically calls out Lingard and Martial for taking to social media instead of talking to him.
He was asked directly in the press conference what he thinks about the players responding to his statements (to the press) on social media. He answered that it was easier to talk directly and that he isn't on social media. Didn't exactly go out of his way to call them out, he had to answer something.
Well, he benched Ronaldo. He will have to deal with consequences.
Anyone who can't see the work he's doing is blind. The players are actually starting to think on the pitch and that rushed shite is being ironed out.
Two months in and I can already see progress with this squad and things I’ve not seen before. Feck all that ‘3 years and transfer windows before you judge’ bullshit.
Top,top football man.Win,lose or draw this guy knows his stuff.If the players can't deliver what he's asking for then move 'um on and refresh this sqhad,which is soon gonna be needed anyway.Win win.
I don't anything he does matters. From what I see the players have given up on the season. They are all just going through the motions waiting for the season to end. They are giving a 100 % or even 60 %. I don't see any fight or resolve.
This is just a matter of getting to the end of the season and hopefully somehow we are in the UCL. Then rebuild from scratch. This dressing room is not salvageable
This is just a matter of getting to the end of the season and hopefully somehow we are in the UCL. Then rebuild from scratch. This dressing room is not salvageable
Season is over. Once we lose to atletico, players will virtually all but give up. Feel for Ralf, it's a tough situation to be in.
I mean, you can very easily spin that around to why on earth did he make claims to the press rather than talk to the players.
Just not working out is it. Small improvements here and there but overall it's not good enough. Not sure he is to blame but we're not salaving anything from this season. Well, unless you counting getting into the conference League an achievement.
Sack him already. He's shit.
Re-appoint Carrick as an interim.
Re-appoint Carrick as an interim.
Season over.
Cavani let him down today
Feel a bit for him. Gone from Individual Brilliance FC to Underpar Finishing FC.
All the kneejerk posters in here, not sure what he's supposed to do when VAR is stopping us winning matches, we should have been 3-0 up at half time
Ref's and maguire sabotage rangnick again.
The Lingard for Scott sub and playing with Pogba as a one man midfield for 10 minutes has done it for me.
He's a clown and awful coach. Even as an interim he has been shit. Get him out.
Another shit appointment by our hopeless club.
He's a clown and awful coach. Even as an interim he has been shit. Get him out.
Another shit appointment by our hopeless club.
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Pretty much what I'd generally expect to see from someone taking over a mess of a team. Some improvements, erratic as shit, obvious need of changes to playing personnel.
The issue of course is that we (largely) start start all over again when a new manager comes in in the summer, so we're not really building to anything solid. Which if we were primarily interested in salvaging this season makes slight improvements scant comfort.
Typically you want an interim manager to provide immediate short term impact, whereas we're getting the growing pains you'd expect at the start of a long term rebuild.
The issue of course is that we (largely) start start all over again when a new manager comes in in the summer, so we're not really building to anything solid. Which if we were primarily interested in salvaging this season makes slight improvements scant comfort.
Typically you want an interim manager to provide immediate short term impact, whereas we're getting the growing pains you'd expect at the start of a long term rebuild.
Ralf has been horrible so far, but he is still better than Ole. Ralf is never going to be our permanent manager unless Cafe has their way poch vs Ralf thread. Ralf has been a complete failure as a manager that I am now questioning his abilities as a consultant. Still, i believe that he is what we need in terms of mentality in our club.. I believe..
poch vs Ralf thread. Ralf has been a complete failure as a manager that I am now questioning his abilities as a consultant. Still, i believe that he is what we need in terms of mentality in our club.. I believe..To be fair I'd be pissed if someone interrupted my Holiday as well.
Atleast the season will be over when atletico beat us.
We've had a very gentle fixture list since he came in and we've still been shite for the most part.
Average results and poor performances generally.
He's not getting the job full time so there's no point moaning about him. This season will be all but done in a month or so after we lose to Atletico.
Average results and poor performances generally.
He's not getting the job full time so there's no point moaning about him. This season will be all but done in a month or so after we lose to Atletico.
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