You're right. It's a little saddening should anyone think back to Sir Alex and land on his 'hairdryer' as being the main driver of his management style. The best managers in any line of work are able to connect with different types of personalities, and Ferguson was clearly a highly adaptable manager but also one that fostered a culture where the senior players were just as responsible, and just as willing, to educate the younger players on what is expected of them.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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You're right. It's a little saddening should anyone think back to Sir Alex and land on his 'hairdryer' as being the main driver of his management style. The best managers in any line of work are able to connect with different types of personalities, and Ferguson was clearly a highly adaptable manager but also one that fostered a culture where the senior players were just as responsible, and just as willing, to educate the younger players on what is expected of them.
Does Lingard think he will get away with undermining the manager? He probably thinks his chum's still in charge
Ralf does give some insight into the way he thinks about football through his comments.
I agree but I think it is still fair to say that he wouldn't have done as well in the current climate. He didn't suffer fools and got rid of plenty of players who were still putting the work in for the team but he didn't like their attitude.
Who knows, perhaps he would have a team where that style of management still worked and he simply wouldn't have a bunch of overpaid idiots with an overinflated sense of their own importance. Its all complete speculation and is akin to comparing players from different eras. Its borderline pointless really.
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Players absolutely felt loved with Ferguson. It's a massive reason why so many saw him as a father figure, still call him boss to this day, and are forever in love with the club. One of Ferguson's biggest strengths was building a family culture that had extremely high expectations as well as love for each other.
But they also weren't paid ridiculous amounts of money that they are in modern football.
Players like Viera and Keane would not get away with half the shite they probably done in dressing rooms nowadays, I reckon there's been scraps in the dressing room between players during Fergie days and now if that happened, the player would complain to the media and force a move somewhere.
Players loved Fergie because of his hard love yes I agree, but hard love would not work in modern football. Player power exists now, put it this way, if Fergie was a manager over the past several years, I'm talking as if Fergie isn't who he is today, but another high flying manager and he managed the same as the Fergie we all know and love. Our players would force him out the club, the same way they did Jose, Ole and LVG.
Exactly and by most account, Fergie style of management was to cater to players' personalities. The ones that needed hugs and support got hugs and support whether it was from Fergie himself or a member of his staff, SAF mentioned Phelan has a key actor in that, while other players that needed tough love and a more confrontational approach got that, allegedly Rooney was the typical example.
You're talking about it back then. I agree that sort of management clearly worked back then. But during the 90's and early 2000's is a world away from the player power we have today.
Does anyone genuinely care in Lingard misses a few games...whatever the reason.
Don't let the media dictate how you feel about a situation, if a bunch of ex-players and journalist want to spend hours talking/writing about it, then good for them. In the meantime United have a match tonight an I'm far more interested in that than this little melodrama.
Don't let the media dictate how you feel about a situation, if a bunch of ex-players and journalist want to spend hours talking/writing about it, then good for them. In the meantime United have a match tonight an I'm far more interested in that than this little melodrama.
I don't get it what do you think works today? You think that every players are the same and there is a single way to interact with them, otherwise what makes SAF's approach incompatible with today's player?
Have to say I’m enjoying Ralf’s no bullshit approach. You get the impression players have got used to getting weekend’s off for any old cock and bull reason and this was all kept in house. Now with a guy as blunt and direct as this in charge they (some of them) are squirming about this all being out in the open. Good.
But the funny thing is, Ole did the exact opposite - he's almost perfect for what we believe is the modern day football culture. I don't buy it though. I think Pep is hard, and expects a lot from the players and takes no shit from them. But he's successful, and if you're not successful as a manager, you loose leverage. Player power exists when the club isn't doing well and they know the club needs them more than the other way around.
Tactically of course the challenges are great in this league right now, but he generally found a way to overcome our rivals. Arsene and Jose were polar opposites in terms of their approaches to the game, and both built formidable teams, but Ferguson saw them both off. It's tough to say that he would have gotten the better of Pep, but we damn sure would have been a lot closer to them than we are right now.
From a man management perspective I can't think of a single reason why he wouldn't have had the same impact on a modern group of players.
Love his approach and the way he fronts up. Keep wrecking them all Ralf.
Couldn't agree more. If a player has a strain and can't play then say it. If a player isn't in 'the right headspace' then say that too. It's telling how quickly Martial and Lingard felt the need to come out and defend themselves. Footballers can't allow themselves to appear soft, so will think twice before making themselves unavailable in the future.
Couldn't agree more.
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That's more like it
I agree, we haven't had a manager as close to Fergie's management style as Rangnick is. We needed this to clean up the mess we were in. Unfortunately he too could be thrown under the bus if he doesn't get top 4.
I think Van Gaal was quite similar in his directed style and bluntness too. He was even more "direct" in putting the media in place, compared to Rangnick's press conference approach.
The fact that we signed no one in the transfer window leads me to suspect that Ralf is seen as no more than a “night watchman”
There are 3 players that Ralf has made comments about, which seem to be throwing them under the bus: Martial, Pogba and Lingard. I do like the fact that it seems Ralf is exposing these players where it seems they threw 2 previous managers under the bus. Was Jose wrong about Martial and Pogba? I think he has been proven right. Ralf is going a great job setting up the squad for the next manager. Expose the passengers and players who don’t care about the club and do the cultural reset that Ole failed to do.
THis is my concern. If we were serious about building for the future, he would ahve been given a clear role post this season and not a 'consultant'. His track record in overseeing recruitment speaks for itself. But we prefer to promote from within, despite the club going nowhere. The lack of backing in transfer window seems to confrim this, and the depressing fact that rather signing players as part of a clear structure, we will just blindly follow the nex manager and seem surprised if he fails that the next manager wants yet another rebuild. Its pathetic and shambolic again from our 'board'
Weird reaction to me pointing out a simple, inoffensive fact.You've been so boring and bitter since Ralf came in, obsessed almost
He would've done the same again.
What people keep underestimating is his ability to change with the times.
Obviously, Fergie couldn't have just kept on going indefinitely on sheer will power - he's a human being, we all lose something as we get older. But if we're talking about a hypothetical scenario where a Fergie who is still in prime (in terms of physical and mental attributes) shows up in 2022...then yes, he would adapt to the game as it's played now on the details plane (most obvious scenario is that he would bring in a 2022 version of Carlos Q) - and then his core abilities (his genius for dealing with people, getting the best out of them) would be just as potent as they were back then.
You've been having a dig at Ralf pretty much since he has been hired, in the main United forum, when you meant to be a Bayern fan. Bit obsessed if you ask me
Not true. I had the most digs against him before he was hired, if anything I toned it down since then because I know how you guys get..
But don't go and appoint another sub-par interim to the full role like last time, ok, just because you get carried away with whoever has the job at the moment.
I appreciate Ralf’s refreshing honesty after Solskjaer’s cliche, rehearsed responses on players. There‘s only so many times that you can tell everyone that ‘Anto’ and ‘Jesse’ are great players with great attitudes as they continually underperform or never even feature before it wears thin.
I am liking his approach so far. It is interesting the different kind of responses coming from all the players involved so far. Some are taking it well, and others not so much. I guess the current approach is sort of similar to Klopp's, in terms of getting to know the players, see their responses to certain things and treatments, and "weed out" the ones with weaker mentality. The kind of mentality that is not needed in big clubs like Manchester United.
Or maybe I am just over analyzing things again.
Or maybe I am just over analyzing things again.
And even then I would have said you tried to put some necessary brakes on an out of control hype train...
Even I was surprised how he was hyped here, and I'll be forever thankful for the way he brought my favourite club into the BL and by proxy/legacy into the EL (which happened under his former assistant Mirko Slomka, who wouldn't be the excellent coach he was without Rangnick).
In fairness, the club have never given any indication that Ralf will be manager beyond the summer so there is no real reason to doubt this right now, but having said that there is no doubt that him sitting in that seat right now makes him a contender. If we have a successful end to this season then it would be a brave call to replace him.
I wouldn't personally read too much into the transfer window though. I think we played it smart. Fringe players will get a lot more football, and we look likely to go big on investment in the summer. Besides if Ralf is going to be the man then I would expect him to be able to get top four with this squad. We still have far better players than Spurs & Arsenal.
C'mon, at least be a bit honest. He was calling Rangnick a dinosaur, a man hopelessly desperate for a big job etc. He was incredibly disparaging at a time when a bunch of hurt United fans were excited about the prospect of a manager coming in that had a clear vision and a dedication to a well organised press. Can we not pretend he was the bringer of rationality and balance for feck's sake!
100% agree. Ralf knows real footballers and I think he has purposely picked on these 3 for a reason.
True, it was a bit like a counterweight insanity to the insane hype here
Nonetheless I would agree with some of the points he had, the desire to manage a big club was definitely there for example.
People are on edge, desperately wanting Ralf to be a success.
For me, there are huge question marks over him as what we still call a "manager" (i.e. what you could also call a "head coach"). And there are also huge question marks over his ability to do what we - desperately - need him to do as something beyond a "manager" (or a "head coach"): his resume as a team builder is excellent - but the present task is clearly a hell of a sight bigger than anything he's faced before.
United are a mismanaged, badly run giant of a football club. There aren't many clubs bigger than United in terms of history, fan base, money...and so forth. Getting us back on track is - again clearly - not directly comparable to anything he's done before.
What we hope - presently - is that his nous as a team builder is translatable to the task at hand. But it would be incredibly naive to think it's a given that he'll succeed.
Van Gaal's press conferences were my favourite thing about him
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I don't hate all our players. Just the ones who are full of PR bs, have been underperforming for years and have been a part of the decline of the club. Just because they're our players doesn't mean I should like them.
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