Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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In taking a longer view there is a certain amount of deadwood and rot that needs to be cut out of the club and I am of the belief that Rangnick is managing the side with a view to his role as a consultant for the next two seasons. Whoever came in after Ole was going to need to change the culture and also figure out which players were not going to be part of the clubs future and that person was almost inevitably going to make enemies in the dressing room and be unpopular.

I like to think Ralf is essentially focused on weeding out the malcontents and and this will hopefully result in a few departures this month and several more in the summer. With a good assessment of the shape of the squad and the teams needs recruitment can then be focused on getting in the right targets in the summer and/or promoting the youth players who can contribute to the new culture. In taking this approach it sets up the new full time manager for success by clearing the decks and allowing them to play good cop to Ralf's bad cop and get buy in from the squad on day one.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
Jesus this thread is just full of complaining despite nobody knowing if the leaks are real or who they are from. Awful stuff.
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So almost every paper is running the quotes from a source, really credible journo's as well with direct quotes at that, and because we don't know who it is it's not real? When the team has leaked was that not credible either? Or are we being selective with the leaks we do and don't want to believe?
 
I’m sick and tired of hearing all these stories that players dont think such a manager is suitable for the job or that there struggling to adapt to his methods and tactics. At the end of the day your payed millions of pounds to do a job… it doesn’t matter who’s in charge or what you like and don’t like, you should do what your manager wants and asks of you! We need to stop letting players control what happens and who manages us. The amount of managers our players have thrown under the bus is ridiculous because they don’t like what he’s asking. Just get on with what your payed to do and win football matches for your team, manager and most importantly fans!
 
My hope, now the Ed is out the door, is that Ralf FINALLY dumps some of these guys that right now are whining about playing time.

Don't think they were whining or complaining when given that 2 or 3 yr contract extension for a decent wage when they were barely playing or injured.....mata, jones, lingard, bailly....u twats
 
We really need some confirmation on what Ralf's role will be when he becomes a 'consultant'. That's such a fluffy line it could mean anything, including not seeing him again after July and paying him off after 6 months to not be associated with the club anymore.

We need to hear what the vision is for the next 3 years, instead of us just guessing Ralf will be some sort of DOF.
 
DJ_21 said:
I’m sick and tired of hearing all these stories that players dont think such a manager is suitable for the job or that there struggling to adapt to his methods and tactics. At the end of the day your payed millions of pounds to do a job… it doesn’t matter who’s in charge or what you like and don’t like, you should do what your manager wants and asks of you! We need to stop letting players control what happens and who manages us. The amount of managers our players have thrown under the bus is ridiculous because they don’t like what he’s asking. Just get on with what your payed to do and win football matches for your team, manager and most importantly fans!
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It's the fact that it would never dawn on any of them that maybe they themselves might not be up to playing for Manchester United. They are always looking for somebody else to blame for their own shortcomings.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Sounds like some of the arguments we'd have as 11 year olds when playing football. 'Pass the ball you greedy cnut' 'No cus your shite'

Jeez. What have we become.
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Its an absolute joke. I don't even think its true, who would be saying that? Ronaldo? Rashford? Bruno? They operate with a shoot on sight policy too.

I think this is a made up rumour, like most of them. Its a bit silly if a player is coming out saying this knowing Greenwood is the golden child for United fans, most fans will side by Greenwood anyway.

In any case, I don't think that any player has the right to be coming out and criticising another player, or the coaching because when you are paid 200k a week plus, you shouldn't need to be coached to pass a football to a team mate, that should be basic football that players should already be able to do.

If they argue, I am sure there are clips of every player misplacing passes in every game, not tracking their man or just being lazy.
 
romufc said:
Its an absolute joke. I don't even think its true, who would be saying that? Ronaldo? Rashford? Bruno? They operate with a shoot on sight policy too.

I think this is a made up rumour, like most of them. Its a bit silly if a player is coming out saying this knowing Greenwood is the golden child for United fans, most fans will side by Greenwood anyway.

In any case, I don't think that any player has the right to be coming out and criticising another player, or the coaching because when you are paid 200k a week plus, you shouldn't need to be coached to pass a football to a team mate, that should be basic football that players should already be able to do.

If they argue, I am sure there are clips of every player misplacing passes in every game, not tracking their man or just being lazy.
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If it is one player coming out and supposedly speaking for the squad. He might cause even more uproar in the squad, especially if they didn't want their point of view aired in public. Everybody has a grumble sometimes. Doesn't mean you want it all over the newspapers.
 
romufc said:
Its an absolute joke. I don't even think its true, who would be saying that? Ronaldo? Rashford? Bruno? They operate with a shoot on sight policy too.

I think this is a made up rumour, like most of them. Its a bit silly if a player is coming out saying this knowing Greenwood is the golden child for United fans, most fans will side by Greenwood anyway.

In any case, I don't think that any player has the right to be coming out and criticising another player, or the coaching because when you are paid 200k a week plus, you shouldn't need to be coached to pass a football to a team mate, that should be basic football that players should already be able to do.

If they argue, I am sure there are clips of every player misplacing passes in every game, not tracking their man or just being lazy.
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Yeah seems a bit specific as well. Who knows what to believe, the press will continue to whip up a storm in a teacup as well.

This is where the players need to draw a line in the sand and either turn up in the next game and show they are fully committed or just feck off. Let's see which of them will show some commitment on the pitch.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If it is one player coming out and supposedly speaking for the squad. He might cause even more uproar in the squad, especially if they didn't want their point of view aired in public. Everybody has a grumble sometimes. Doesn't mean you want it all over the newspapers.
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I think we'll find out before the next game, Ralf will speak to the media and I'm pretty sure a player who's not unhappy will be sent out to do the same before or after the match
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If it is one player coming out and supposedly speaking for the squad. He might cause even more uproar in the squad, especially if they didn't want their point of view aired in public. Everybody has a grumble sometimes. Doesn't mean you want it all over the newspapers.
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I mean its pretty high school stuff don't you think? Talking to someone you know is a journalist about it. Who knows a player might have said a tongue in cheek comment "Yeah he is a bit selfish aint he" becomes a headline.

I mean when I listen to Keane, Rio and the like, it seems like they used to hold each other accountable, if a player did something on the pitch, they will be spoken to directly.

That is what this player should be doing, rather than being coward.

If you have an issue with a team mate not passing, its logical to say it to him and say things like "trust me", "play it to me" or something along those lines.
 
romufc said:
I mean its pretty high school stuff don't you think? Talking to someone you know is a journalist about it. Who knows a player might have said a tongue in cheek comment "Yeah he is a bit selfish aint he" becomes a headline.

I mean when I listen to Keane, Rio and the like, it seems like they used to hold each other accountable, if a player did something on the pitch, they will be spoken to directly.

That is what this player should be doing, rather than being coward.

If you have an issue with a team mate not passing, its logical to say it to him and say things like "trust me", "play it to me" or something along those lines.
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They don't talk though do they, definitely not on the pitch anyway, it either the skulk off or wave their arms about.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Yeah seems a bit specific as well. Who knows what to believe, the press will continue to whip up a storm in a teacup as well.

This is where the players need to draw a line in the sand and either turn up in the next game and show they are fully committed or just feck off. Let's see which of them will show some commitment on the pitch.
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I think Ralf needs to have a sit down with players and the Sports Psychologist and clear the air. I was listening to a cricket podcast and it was something they done in their World cup campaign when they were about to go out, every player gets to air out their issues and then it gets sorted.

The next team selection will be crucial IMO, well the PL one not FA cup.
 
the_cliff said:
In my honest opinion there are 3 very key elements for Ralf system to work with us and it surrounds 3 players. Ironically imo the 3 players concerned haven't or have been playing since the covid break.

1. Lindelof needs to play, he's probably our only defender that can find forward passes with some sort of accuracy and stop the lateral none sense Varane and Maguire are known for. Especially Maguire who is a master at holding the ball for 30 seconds before passing it to Luke Shaw.
2. Fred needs to play, Freds pressing is key and another thing he's also underrated at is winning those second balls when the opposition team does boot the ball up after a successful press, we struggled at this against Wolves.
3. Ronaldo needs to be dropped. Simple. I do think it's only a matter of time till Ralf does this unless his hands are being tied.
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Blatant lie. Maguire first walks with the ball, then passes it to Luke Shaw, then sprints back. That way he gets a "carry" stat that people will use to point out he's not bang average on the ball.
 
VanDeBank said:
Blatant lie. Maguire first walks with the ball, then passes it to Luke Shaw, then sprints back. That way he gets a "carry" stat that people will use to point out he's not bang average on the ball.
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My mistake.
 
el3mel said:
The main difference between Liverpool in this period and current United under either Ole or Ralf is that it was always clear back then Liverpool were moving in the right direction. Klopp implemented his style of play quickly when he was hired and the problems of the squad was pretty clear to everyone. It was clear Liverpool's main problem back them was their defense and their GK for example, and that with few more signings in these areas they'll become challengers. Their attack were scoring for fun even since Klopp's first full season. It was always their shitty defenders and GKs who were bringing them down.

With Klopp's Liverpool there was a sense that with just proper key signings in very certain areas, they'll be back on the top. Klopp had a proper plan of rebuilding the squad and it's not a surprise it paid off once they signed VVD and Alisson.

The current United didn't have this. Every time we felt the team was starting to move in the right direction, it's just for short period followed by multiple stinkers that made us convinced it was just a false down. Every summer we enter thinking we need ton and ton of signings in ton of positions in order to compete. Under LVG, Mourinho, Ole and now Ralf or whatever, there's nothing about United that screams "planned rebuild" or "actual proper progress". It has always been just false dawns, nothing else.

Can you look at current United team and pick one or two certain problems that if solved will make us challengers, like with Liverpool when everyone knew it was their defense and GK that were bringing them down ? The current United team has a shit defense, awful midfield and underperforming attacking players. It looks like we need a complete clear out rather than just one or two key signings like VVD or Alisson.

And it's not a surprise this has been the feeling during these entire 9 years under all our previous managers, not just Ole or Mourinho for example. No, every summer it's the same feeling, because United didn't have any plan of rebuilding and we have been just doing random signings here and there.
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Yeah, that’s true. I think most people remember the Alisson and Van Dijk signings as being the thing that put Liverpool over the top.

Truthfully, I can’t remember how anybody thought Klopp was doing after 6 games. Was it instant impact? Was there teething problems?

I’m just hoping that this full week of training will yield some actual progress. It’s still far too early for Ralf to be judged but clearly we need to see something just so we can get behind him.
 
I thought Ralf was gonna bring more german tacticians to work with him instead he brought NY Redbull people ?

Did those guys have experience in Elite European Football ?

Whats going on here ? i feel like He lied to all of us who thought he was gonna bring the Leipzig attacking mentality.

I am so dissapointed.
 
Satsuma United said:
I thought Ralf was gonna bring more german tacticians to work with him instead he brought NY Redbull people ?

Did those guys have experience in Elite European Football ?

Whats going on here ? i feel like He lied to all of us who thought he was gonna bring the Leipzig attacking mentality.

I am so dissapointed.
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Instead of calling Rangnick a liar do you not feel at all disappointed in the players themselves?

 
If the talk of unrest is true, then the players will be the ones to suffer this time. RR is an very likeable guy and comes across very well. Players trying to get him out of the door will be up against fan unrest. I think RR will get a lot of support, just like Ole did, but fans will turn on the players quick time right now.
My worries over RR credible CV is little in comparison to him succeeded and getting rid of troublesome players.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Sounds like some of the arguments we'd have as 11 year olds when playing football. 'Pass the ball you greedy cnut' 'No cus your shite'

Jeez. What have we become.
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That last tweet about Lingard....I find it quite fishy that he was mentioned in favourable terms, with a suggestion that he deserves game time. Just what I'd do if I were leaking news to the media, get them to paint me in a positive light.
 
soapythecat said:
If the talk of unrest is true, then the players will be the ones to suffer this time. RR is an very likeable guy and comes across very well. Players trying to get him out of the door will be up against fan unrest. I think RR will get a lot of support, just like Ole did, but fans will turn on the players quick time right now.
My worries over RR credible CV is little in comparison to him succeeded and getting rid of troublesome players.
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Im unsure. The OT fans took no time booing a substituting by Ralph.
 
Satsuma United said:
I thought Ralf was gonna bring more german tacticians to work with him instead he brought NY Redbull people ?

Did those guys have experience in Elite European Football ?

Whats going on here ? i feel like He lied to all of us who thought he was gonna bring the Leipzig attacking mentality.

I am so dissapointed.
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He said right at start that all the good coaches is under contract and it will be hard to get in new coach right now. If you are a great coach would you want to follow him to a new club just for 6 months?

He said right at start that he want to limit the opponent's opportunities. Nothing about the Leipzig attacking mentality at all.

So far I don't think he lied about a single things to us.

VP89 said:
Im unsure. The OT fans took no time booing a substituting by Ralph.
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Honestly I am not surprised. It will be a PR war and our players are among the best in the league.
 
NinjaZombie said:
That last tweet about Lingard....I find it quite fishy that he was mentioned in favourable terms, with a suggestion that he deserves game time. Just what I'd do if I were leaking news to the media, get them to paint me in a positive light.
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Yeah I thought similar as well.

I don't want to see him in a United shirt again, problem is he doesn't want to go. He wants his silly wages and to play at his boyhood club, except he's totally anonymous whenever he's on the pitch for us. If it's him leaking to the press then all the more reason to get rid of him.
 
Ixion said:
Instead of calling Rangnick a liar do you not feel at all disappointed in the players themselves?

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You and I both know we can't have that, people have to shit on the manager, assistant manager, coaches and even the tea lady before our darling players are questioned.

The person you quoted clearly didn't listen to anything Rangnick said as in his first press conference, he said he's finding it hard to find people to join his backroom staff because they're all in jobs and long term contracts.
 
L1nk said:






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"I'm feeling disenchanted at United, proper sick to death of it all, the dressing room is toxic and there's about to be a full on war if we don't get our moves this month... Oh btw me and the rest of the lads think Jesse Lingard should get a run in the first team"
 
So many reports today, with players not happy and all blaming Ronaldo for demanding excellence.

Show's how pathetic these players are.
 
I don't even know anymore. But it seems like the players think they decide what good tactics are instead of leaving it for the coach
 
The club is doing PR stuff response to all the so called leaks.

Should have left Carrick in charge till the end while hiring RR as consultant outright.
 
As an interim manager, ever been sacked before?

May be unrealistic, but can honestly seeing it happening, if performances and overall atmosphere doesn't change.

Back to back fixtures against Villa coming up now and with recent performances, Villa have a very very good chance, of winning both matches.
 
The United said:
The club is doing PR stuff response to all the so called leaks.

Should have left Carrick in charge till the end while hiring RR as consultant outright.
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Wouldn't that just be kicking the can down the road for the next manager to deal with this shit then anyway? Not a great start really is it? You've also forgotten that Carrick wanted to leave at the same time as Ole but United asked him to stick around for a couple more games until an interim was appointed,
 
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