But he was a manager before that. Ronaldo made it sound like he was never a manger.
Ralf Rangnick | Austria manager
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But he was a manager before that. Ronaldo made it sound like he was never a manger.
Everybody who thinks Rangnick was a worse coach than passion merchants such as Solskjaer or Moyes really has absolutely no clue about football.
I also find the "he wasn't even a coach" bit funny. First of all, the manager role he took over is probably closer to the German DoF than to the German coaching job. And second, the last time he coached a CL team was in 2019, two years prior to his appointment at United.
And without Rangnick, Ten Hag would've had a much more difficult start (as if it wasn't difficult enough).
I also find the "he wasn't even a coach" bit funny. First of all, the manager role he took over is probably closer to the German DoF than to the German coaching job. And second, the last time he coached a CL team was in 2019, two years prior to his appointment at United.
And without Rangnick, Ten Hag would've had a much more difficult start (as if it wasn't difficult enough).
Ralf Rangnick was nothing but a cleaner at a McDonald's in Solihull before we found him.
He was certainly underwhelming, but don't think he was a fraud. He was probably the car crash we needed to realize we need a full reboot. Also you could see why he didn't get a tune of the squad with how the supposed ringleader acted when he found out he was hired, also that he seemingly was very vocal about the majority of starting players didn't have a future at the club. He has been kinda vindicated for that with the direction the club has made after EtH was hired.
His transfer strategy could have been great for us (Alvarez, Sesko, Nkunku, Gvardiol etc.) long-term but so far EtH has done a great job in that department so it hasn't been very evident that we missed out with not giving a permanent role.
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A big part of why he was unsuccessful was because of the squad already writing him off from the start. Imagine being part of a dressing room, before a manager officially takes over, and Cristiano fecking Ronaldo is going around saying “who is this cnut I’ve literally never heard of him” — he was doomed from the start.
I think he exacerbated this by shitting on the players every time he could, and telling the world every player had syphilis, mind.
The flack Ralf is taking ever since he left is fecking bizarre. He was here for a few months, was respectful, left, we got ETH.
You'd swear he came in and destroyed the team.
Leave the man alone ffs.
You'd swear he came in and destroyed the team.
Leave the man alone ffs.
I think from certain players view, they were in an environment where Ole was lenient and then came an interim manager who tried to lay the law.
We now know why it didn't work, when players like Ronaldo question the appointment, dont rate him then have to take instructions from him, players will revolt.
There were too many things going on last year to allocate blame to one single individual. Rangnick, whatever way you see it, was not meant to be a Manchester United manager & the way he handled events showed it. Typical case of low profile manager handling too many egos (Ronaldo, Maguire, Bailly, Henderson, Lingard, Pogba, Cavani). He got whacked and that flamed the fire.
There was nothing respectful about him. He publicly lynched the team then the players were blamed for not playing for him.
This shit keeps getting trotted out in defence of Ralf. You can't have a pre-season if you take over a team mid-season. But it hasn't stopped countless managers coming in a turning a team's fortunes around. Did Eddie Howe get a pre-season last year with Newcastle? Did Unai Emery get one this season?
There are legitimate reasons why Ralf Rangnick failed so badly, not having a pre-season isn't one of them. The squad had already had a pre-season, they didn't need another one.
Is Redcafe explaining to Ronaldo, one of the games absolute greats, how good Ralf Rangnick actually was, and its he himself who is clueless?
And I'd say the majority of the fanbase were delighted when he did, me included.
The attitude was rotten right throughout the team and they needed a reality check.
Then you had all the leaks from the dressing room trying to undermine him.
That wasnt disrespectful, it was a wake up call.
In no way was he respectful. Every press conference he did was him shitting on the club and players. And then we played shit. And then he did it again. Rinse. Repeat. Awful manager and by far the most idiotic appointment I’ve ever seen a top club make.
Rangnick had the worst win rate of any Manchester United manager since 1972 with 37%. There are only six worse managers in terms of win rate in 140 years of the club's history.
He was shite, and he gets way too much credit for making basic observations which any idiot down the pub or on Twitter had already been making for years.
He forgot entirely that a big part of being a manager is motivating the players, instead he publicly trounced them every opportunity he had to deflect from the terrible job he himself was doing.
I'm no fan of Moyes, but he has done far better with worse teams like Everton and West Ham. Ole did far better with largely the same team.
Worst manager I've seen at a top club, pointless appointment that helped no one other than Rangnick get the Austria job.
Ole did worse with the same team last season.
His observation wasnt wrong though. people laughed at the 10 player comment but we got in Malacia, Eriksen, Antony, Casemiro, Martinez and still need more to challenge for the title.
He had the worst group of cnuts like Ronaldo, Lingard, Henderson and Pogba in the same dressing room.
Moyes has done feck all. Look at West Ham. Moyes had a much better team when he came in and he was shite.
Rangnick was terrible for us. But to put last season down to him alone is silly af.
Rangnick was fecking shite at Utd.
It wasn't all his fault of course so I don't totally blame him and I hold no bad feelings towards him or anything , but his 6 months as utd manager was the lowest of the low.
It wasn't all his fault of course so I don't totally blame him and I hold no bad feelings towards him or anything , but his 6 months as utd manager was the lowest of the low.
There's a reason why managers usually don't take over mid season. As said, the squad was simply incompatible with a modern coach. A people pleaser like Solskjaer with his focus on empty phrases, passion and motivation might work better with it than somebody who actually wants to install a certain system that requires willingness to run as well as discipline but that doesn't mean he's a better coach. Rangnick is most likely a bit outdated by now, especially compared to the current elite coaches, but the idea that he is worse than Solskjaer or Moyes is utterly ridiculous for me.
Rangnick proved that this team wasn't compatible with a coach wanting to play modern football. Which made life easier for Ten Hag since the club was aware of that even before he set foot into Manchester. For example, I doubt United would have been so eager to buy 5 new players for him if the attempt to play pressing football under Rangnick didn't end in such a mess.
It's nonsense this argument, every manager does terrible the season they are sacked. That is why they get sacked. You have to look at his tenure overall to see how he did and for two and a half seasons he managed a fairly respectable win rate.
The most direct comparison between the two managers would be their interim stints - Ole had double the win rate that Rangnick did in this time.
With regards to Moyes, do you seriously believe our squad was worse than West Ham's in the 21/22 season? It was superior by any measure, and Rangnick only had us finish 2 points above them.
He didn't actually, Ralf had a worse win ratio than the one that got Ole sacked.
Ralf 37%
Ole 41%
Its nonsense not to compare directly. Ole without and with Ronaldo in the squad was night and day. Given Ronaldos comments its clear he was a major problem for Rangnick as well.
No what I meant was Rangnicks squad was worse then Moyes United squad he inherited from Ferguson.
Just an aside... Just because you are one of the worlds best footballers doesn't mean you can't be clueless as has been proven many times. Sometimes you can be great at football but be absolutely dense.
The complaints about Rangnick are in some ways not really about him. They are more about the type of fan that latched onto him and claimed he was the godfather of football and that with a modern manager like him United would do really well. The quintessential "hipster football fan" that knows more than anyone.
Sure. Nevertheless when it comes to judging what goes on on a training field, Im willing to deferr to the players who are in the situation, rather than assuming my third-party opinion is the most truthful.
Currently 2-0 up against Italy.
Fair play to the players who've brought into his philosophy.
Italy are also understrength but so are Austria.
What stood out in commentary was that Italy did not like the high pressing/intesity game that Austria are employing under Ragnick.
Fair play to the players who've brought into his philosophy.
Italy are also understrength but so are Austria.
What stood out in commentary was that Italy did not like the high pressing/intesity game that Austria are employing under Ragnick.
Arnautovic assist as well 
Who cares, Cristiano never heard of the guy anyways.
Actually they are also about the Ole in brigade who are his most vocal opponents here. It could have been anyone and if they failed they would have gone after him. Ralf for sure failed to get into the CL spots.
So he beat some minnow that couldn't even make it to the WC. Big deal.
This just isn’t true, why does it keep getting repeated.
Ole was rightly sacked when he was, it’s fine there’s literally no complaint about that. Ralf was terrible in his stint here, there’s literally nothing else to say about that, I too was excited when he arrived! That lasted less than a month before it became clear it just wasn’t going to work.
Why this guy has such vocal defence I don’t know, bigging him up whenever anything happens, let’s just leave him in the past where he belongs.
Its because the complaints about him have been overboard with name calling and people being just as stupid as Ronaldo and claiming he never was a manager etc.
He was an absolute shit manager for us. No doubt. But he was right about our squad and we should have listened to him about getting rid of Ronaldo.
That's the crux of the matter. I don't think anyone has denied that after a month most can see that it was not going to work.
There is a huge difference in entirely blaming Ralf the reason it didn't work and saying that it didn't work. The main reason it didn't work was not because he was a shit manager.
It's still not apples to apples as the players knew Rangnick was gone at the end of the season so had no real reason to play for him. Nobody knew with Ole.
This is quite unbelievable. So the fact Ralf Rangnick singularly failed to do the job he was supposed to do as an interim manager (as a minimum gain a new manager bounce and improve results, if not make top 4) is now being repackaged as a great service to ten Hag?
Erik ten Hag is an experienced and successful football man, I think he was quite aware what a state we were in. We didn't sack a manager mid season because all was rosey in the garden. In fact, the reports were that ten Hag wasn't even interested in Ralf's assessments, and that's probably not even meant as a finger up to the job Ralf did - managers have their own viewpoint and tend to back them.
You're massively labouring this point around Ralf and why he wasn't worse and the benefits of his time here. He was next to useless, a statue could have got similar results, they were that underwhelming. The football went nowhere and he pointed out the blindingly obvious. That's hardly a service that required a genius, to be honest I don't think it's something above the capabilities of an FM expert. I think it was rather our distinct lack of success and failure to make top four, plus fan unrest that precipitated major spending, not Ralf giving his ten penny's worth.