Surprised he went to Gary Neville of all people about the abuse.
Raheem Sterling
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He buys a car or a house and he's too flashy.
He goes Lidl or Primark, he's too cheap.
No winning for Sterling.
He goes Lidl or Primark, he's too cheap.
No winning for Sterling.
Sometimes people with black skin are just fcuking idiots. It’s ok for that to be the case.
Sterling, Sol, Collymore, Ince.
All have some thoughts that I wouldn’t disagree with and could get behind.
But most of the time they’re just insufferable.
It’s not because they’re black. It’s just because they’re dickheads.
There are HUNDREDS of white talking heads and footballers that get the full force of peoples ire.
That there are a handful of prominent black faces that get treated for the twats that they are, is not racism.
Sterling is right in his point about the Mail articles. But he’s still a bell end.
Gullit, Jenas, Hasselbaink, Barnes, Dublin, Ferdinand, King, James, Lescott, Defoe, Salako, Kamara are all pretty well received in the game, in print and by audiences. Some better than others but that’s no more or less true than the white faces. Shock, Horror... the less of an ass you are, the more people like you.
I DO believe that Sterling gets a bad deal at times. But I think it’s wholly disingenuous to put it down to race and ignore character.
Sterling, Sol, Collymore, Ince.
All have some thoughts that I wouldn’t disagree with and could get behind.
But most of the time they’re just insufferable.
It’s not because they’re black. It’s just because they’re dickheads.
There are HUNDREDS of white talking heads and footballers that get the full force of peoples ire.
That there are a handful of prominent black faces that get treated for the twats that they are, is not racism.
Sterling is right in his point about the Mail articles. But he’s still a bell end.
Gullit, Jenas, Hasselbaink, Barnes, Dublin, Ferdinand, King, James, Lescott, Defoe, Salako, Kamara are all pretty well received in the game, in print and by audiences. Some better than others but that’s no more or less true than the white faces. Shock, Horror... the less of an ass you are, the more people like you.
I DO believe that Sterling gets a bad deal at times. But I think it’s wholly disingenuous to put it down to race and ignore character.
Different tastes. None of our business IMOz.
Seems as though Rooney suffered more stick than anyone in the press and received tons of abuse from furious gesticulating fans when taking a corner.
Imagine if Rooney was black and received the same attention in the media and had the same amount of fans shouting and waving wildly in his direction at games, it would suddenly look like it was because he was black to have this unprecedented attention. It would be interesting to dig up every article written about Rooney.
Certain people do get this attention. Plenty of black players don't get this type of press coverage.
Imagine if Rooney was black and received the same attention in the media and had the same amount of fans shouting and waving wildly in his direction at games, it would suddenly look like it was because he was black to have this unprecedented attention. It would be interesting to dig up every article written about Rooney.
Certain people do get this attention. Plenty of black players don't get this type of press coverage.
Kind of. I happpen to think deliberate, ostentatious displays of wealth are in objectively bad taste. So it goes beyond personal preferences.
It’s not a terrible thing to do but I certainly won’t feel sorry for anyone getting stick for showing off how incredibly rich they are. It’s something that can only be done to get attention (literally “showing off”) so they deserve whatever attention they get, positive and negative.
Rooney also received a massive amount of support from an England-obsessed media. Given that Sterling is an England player too, where's his massive support?
Wow. The man just literally bossed the entire subject in 8 minutes...
Yeah this essentially.
I know you're a smart guy, and an intelligent poster, and I mean this as a genuine question, not a sarcastic rhetorical - do you also think of Royals as 'bling'? Top politicians? the Beckhams? Ronaldo? Wall Street bankers?
Fair enough if you do - but I bet there's a chance, if you're totally, brutally honest, that a few of those don't appear in your mind as 'bling' immediately.
A politician owning 3 houses, 4 cars and wearing cashmere and tailored suits is also a "deliberate, ostentatious display of wealth", but it takes a minute to realize it (for me, at least, if I'm totally honest).
The Royals dripping in Gold and daft medals, wearing crowns with jewels in, this is undoubtedly a "deliberate, ostentatious display of wealth" - yet we call them 'bling' in an almost tongue in cheek way, but ironically this is really where 'bling culture' comes from - Royalty.
They set the barometer and poor (or at least relatively poor...) people have essentially followed suit.
That's what 'Bling Culture' is. It's an animal instinct to display worth, status and position of influence. But working class people who are new to their money do it in a more clumsy (or, if you like, honest and transparent) manner.
My point is that if you wanna hate on 'Bling Culture', don't start at Stephen Ireland, or Memphis Depay, or some Rapper etc - start at the living behemoths of 'Bling Culture', start at what and why Royals are wearing, start at fashion houses, start at what's being worn by Wall Street execs, or what's been worn at Eton, or Harvard for generations...
Because all of them will be "deliberate, ostentatious displays of wealth" - albeit accepted ones.
Again you're confusing correlation with causation.
Let's say for argument sake that 7 of the 10 "big and strong" names I'd pick out were black players, but that out of the top 10% of all PL players by height and weight that 70% of this top 10% were also black players. My stating 7 black players would merely be a statistical norm. For what it's worth Fellaini, Matic, Mitrovic, Mcguire and Andy Carroll would be five of the first names on my list; however so would possibly Lukaku, Benteke, Diame and Bailly. Generally it's to do with this facet being their standout quality.
The same as Mata and intelligence, it isn't that he's more intelligent than say Makelele (who was incredibly intelligent), it's that the former has a far less varied skillset to choose from. Makelele on the other hand could be called any one of tenacious, hard working, strong tackler, great positionally, great stamina, intelligent etc. Jadon Sancho is regularly referred to as intelligent because he's of small stature and technically brilliant.
Truthfully I think the only players I can ever recall being labelled an animal were white - Suarez for one and possibly Joey Barton (maybe Lee Bowyer also?)
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There's getting stick and there's getting vitriolic abuse. Whatever, thee people abusing him as much as they do, do so most likely not because they have any particular reason to but because they just want to, racist or not. Trying go find reason is probably giving them too much credit. I think their actions are non-sensical to the core borne out of ignorance and profound stupidity.
This, and a well behaved and low key man of colour most certainly not.
My missus watches Made in Chelsea. Believe me, I have no shortage of upper class caucasian hate figures when it comes to vulgar displays of wealth!
To be honest, I find the idea that people who only recently became wealthy houldn’t be criticised for showing off how much money they can spunk on expensive tat - because they don’t know better - kind of patronising. There are loads of unpleasant animal instincts that humans shouldn’t give in to. This is one of them.
Don’t get me wrong. There’s no kind of display of wealth that would justify the abuse Sterling got the other night. I don’t even think he’s a particularly bad example when it comes to this sort of thing anyway. I just don’t buy into the idea that we can’t criticise bling culture at all because that would be racist, or culturally insensitive.
Pretty certain Joshua was referred to as Nigerian commonly earlier on in his career, before he was the dogs bollocks.
Fury is a Manc gypsy, he's not your normal everyday British white guy.
Tim Henman might have won feck all, but he was the British No1 and that means something.
Farah is your only fair point there really.
Fair enough , I'm all for taking the piss, there's just a certain level that just simply wrong. I think most of us know where that line is. There's taking the piss and there's pure hatred, and abuse that's just aimed to hurt and demean a person.
This here is the problem, there is an expectation about the way certain people should behave and that expectation links very closely to skin tone. Black players are expected to be quiet and grateful that they've been allowed to succeed whilst white players are not similarly restricted. If you're rich, young and black please shut up about it is essentially the message. The personality type you're talking about is the preferred personality type for black players - quiet, submissive, respectful.
You chose the example of Tyson and Joshua, two different personalities. When it's the two identical personalities (McGregor and Mayweather), the narrative for Mayweather was that he was money obsessed and for McGregor that he was confident. There is a difference between the way white and black players are treated and you're choosing to avoid an uncomfortable situation by ignoring it.
I appreciate you are ‘attempting’ to be fair in treating people equal. But could you mellow down on your tone. It’s actually kind of offensive not only to call someone idiot or dickhead of any colour, but to use it against race. Have some manners.
Your completely missing the point to and are coming across like a ‘idiot’ yourself.
What has Sterling actually done to make you think he's an idiot?
A lot of people fail to realize that just because you don't see Sterling in the racist way others do, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It’s a repeated mistake which black people themselves try to rectify but like many will point out we are a good 100 years behind white culture so it might not kick in until another 100 years. Doesn’t mean we derserve the criticism. After all there’s a big historical reason why we are playing catch up.
I agree. Not a big fan, but he has handled this well. Flagging the DM bullshit was good work. It's depressing that C4 news said that the amount of racial crap at stadiums has risen for six consecutive years is depressing.
Thought we were moving in the opposite direction
Does Sterling even flaunt his wealth?
I'm a little slow on this subject. It just seems like the argument of his criticism being legitimate is made from the fact he's being criticised in the first place. As if there has to be a reason and we'll find it rather than asking why he was picked out in the first place.
Sterling doesn't stand out in any way to me.
I'm a little slow on this subject. It just seems like the argument of his criticism being legitimate is made from the fact he's being criticised in the first place. As if there has to be a reason and we'll find it rather than asking why he was picked out in the first place.
Sterling doesn't stand out in any way to me.
I'm not sure it's entirely a race thing tbh, albeit it's hard to think it's not an element with him.
Stephen Ireland was vilified over his tattoos, car etc...defo a class element too.
He flaunts his wealth like how Pogba keeps dancing. Basically he got a big contract after moving from Liverpool to City and has been criticised ever since. I’ve never seen him with a bunch of chains, never seen him with spinning rims etc etc. But you do one thing the people don’t like and it sticks forever (which actually has nothing to do with racism
)Whats wrong with his character? This is what I find hilarious.
Is it bad character to not wash your car during bad weather?
Is it bad character to have an ice-cream with your fiance after you've lost a football match?
Is it bad character to get a tattoo in honor of your father?
Is it bad character to buy your mother who raised you alone from childhood and worked herself to the bone for you a fancy house and give her everything she's ever wanted?
Is it bad character when you have one child and the media implies you have many from different mothers?
Is it bad character when you say "I'll never touch a gun" and the media says you said "I'll never touch a gun again."
Is it bad character to eat at Greggs just because you are wealthy?
Is it bad character to shop at Poundland?
Sterling spends money... bad fecker rubbing his cash in our faces. Disgusting.
Sterling doesn't spend money... tight bastard who won't spend his huge wages. Disgusting.
Comparing Sterling who has done feck all wrong to a woman beater like Collymore is completely off base and unfair.
I genuinely struggle to think of anything he's done to make people think that beyond their own assumptions.
Not really, hes been equally criticized for not washing his car, shopping at Poundland and Greggs. He's seen as greedy and money obsessed because he left Liverpool for City and better wages. Brendan Rodgers is hugely responsible for Sterlings treatment because he was bitter about him not signing the 100k deal.
The fact that he had an agent like Aidy Ward doesn't help his case though.
Raheem Sterling is probably the strongest man in football. Took ridiculous abuse for daring to leave Liverpool, vilified by the press for no reason, racially abused at his place of work but just gets on it. Ive never known an English player more unjustifiably vilified.
Ward is an agent like the rest of them he's a piece of shit, but Ward was doing his job, Rodgers was taking pot shots at Raheem for ages, trying to bully him in to signing the 100k contract long before he signed for City. "Best offer we've ever made a teen" etc..
Long before all that Brendan came out with “I had Raheem Sterling playing for England and a regular in the Liverpool first team on £2000 per week." like a boast, because in Brendans mind it was doing Raheem good to be on no money because he couldn't handle money or something. In reality he was boasting about keeping a talented international player on £2k, whilst implying Raheem was incapable of keeping his feet on the ground on decent money (which I think was £35k or something when he did sign).
What "case" is Sterling supposed to have to make? He's just a young footballer making his way in the game, who gets a disproportionate amount of abuse up and down the country. Apparently because he had the temerity to leave Liverpool and sometimes he doesn't play that well for England. And his agent is Aidy Ward.
On the face of it, his agent successfully negotiated Sterling a move to a club with a better chance of winning trophies and presumably also got him higher wages in the process. Job done, surely?
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At the time the contract was offered, 100k was a lot of money that even many seasoned pros don't get. Plus, Sterling had just had a couple of seasons so the club probably thought he needed to prove himself more first, having been burned by the 140k given to Sturridge.
Agree with you that Rodgers escalated the situation with his comments though. However, Ward attacking the club over it adds fuel to the fire that Sterling behaved like an entitled brat.
Anyone remember this rumour? The vilification of Sterling has been apparent since his breakthrough and has always been highly unreasonable.
Didn't his agent attack the club after club leaked info to media and Rodgers interview?
Of course, no football journalist or fan has ever changed their place of work in pursuit of better career prospects and wages...
100% it was a lot of money, but the money didn't matter to Raheem by then. I think the fact Rodgers didn't trust him with money is what bugged Raheem and he'd never have stayed. He even said he'd have signed for less money if he was offered the contract at the end of the previous season.
Ward 100% fanned the flames because agents like signing fees. No denying that, but Ward is a piece of shit agent who we expect that shit from. The other was a manager who didn't have faith in an England international, who even Jamie Carragher said on Monday was quiet as a mouse, and super professional at the club. I think Brendan treating him like a kid in a squad full of men (of which he had been an integral part) was why he wouldn't sign given he was willing to sign the previous May for less.
Then of course City came along and Wards eye's lit up with dollar signs like a cartoon cat robbing a bank and there was no going back.
I think Rodgers turned a huge amount of Liverpool fans against Raheem and made him look like a greedy little urchin because he dropped the ball and then tried to push him into a contract. While Ward wanted the opposite because £££.
Of course Raheem wanted money on a par with his peers (which I suppose could be considered money grabbing) but he got the image of what people still wrongly see him as now. I mean just recently Ward played hard ball with City to get him on KDB money (something I still don't think he's quite worth) but Pep didn't come out and say "well we offered him 200k which would make him the best paid u25 in the clubs/leagues history" to try and twist his arm.
Just to clarify I'm not saying Rodgers caused the situation but he certainly fanned the flames and pushed Raheem toward public enemy no.1 because it suited him at the time.
Yeah, exactly.
Did Ronaldo's pay go up when he joined United? Or when he left United and joined Real?
What about Bale to Spurs? Bale to Real?
It's ridiculous that we even talk about this element in regard to Raheem's treatment - it's like we're almost trying to excuse (at least explain away) the crazy reality of it.
He's a brilliant young player who's handled his career and success in a very level-headed and mature manner. He looks after his family and seems to me to be a genuinely humble guy given his talent and success - and I say this as someone who fecking hates Citeh.
He's England's most exciting, naturally talented player on the ball, and this is how our press (and fans) treat him...
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I don't understand why Sterling supposedly has a bad character /is an idiot? Do people actually have a basis for this or is it another assumption? He doesn't come across as arrogant/dickish on the pitch at least.
There's probably an element of casual racism at the heart of this. However, one does have to point out the entire campaign to portray him as a villain when he wanted to leave Liverpool. The whole narrative, undoubtedly pushed by Liverpool fans in and outside the media, was that he was a disgusting greedy human beings for wanting to leave the wonderful Liverpool. Obviously that might be tied into the first point i made as well.