Agree.
If we are to sign a midfielder we need a defensive one to replace Hargreaves.
Rafael Van der Vaart
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Agree.
If we are to sign a midfielder we need a defensive one to replace Hargreaves.
The thing is, everyone is just expecting Carrick to jump back into form and be the player they think he is or even the player they think he has been. Carrick was the perfect example of a player riding on the crest of others. Carrick signed at just the right time, Ronaldos time. Scholes and Giggs showing why they are two of the best of their generation and a fletcher showing why he is now one of the first names on the team sheet.
I am going by what VDV has done in his career and more importantly last season and the season before. Compare him to Carrick of the last 2 seasons and i don't see a comparison.
I'd take Gago over Carrick too. I like a subtle player, i just see so many who do Carricks job better than him. City have better players in that position as do Madrid, Chelsea, Liverpool, Barcelona etc and i love how loyal and patient alot of United fans have been with him but i'm objective. I have nothing against Carrick i just don't rate him that highly as a footballer.
You like your big names/exotic named players.
Gibson is a decent squad player for us. I think VDV is more than that and he can play a major part for us especially if someone is injured. Just look at what we did last year. Any big game, we put in Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher and Park in our midfield with the exception of maybe a couple of games when some one was injured. Scholes will struggle to play two games in one week this season and that will definitely affect his performances. So if we had an extra experienced midfielder (playmaker), we can give Scholes a rest and VDV can take his place.
Look at Anderson's age. Or Gibson's for that matter. Not saying that they are better than him, but considering they have the best part of half a decade on VdV. Personally, I don't feel confident having a 27 year old who has never played in the premier league come in and play in an attacking midfield role. I don't think he has any room for improvement and whatever I've seen of him, I don't think he'll be able to hack it.
You have a point with Carrick though, but Carrick has had a poor season (or seasons it could be argued). But would definitely have him over VdV when they are both having a good day..
He's not better than Sneijder. That is as close to a proven fact that you can find. I am not saying he isn't good. Just not good enough for United. I like him as a player, but he is nowhere near as potent as Sneijder and I don't think his passing ability is anywhere near as good as his.
De Jong, a cnut as he may be, is much stronger defensively than VdV. He may not be a winger, but has the ability to play anywhere across midfield; meaning he might have to play out wide for United in case of a crisis. I just feel there is a better player than him out there for United.
And what's VdV's injury record like?
I rate Fletcher higher.
Might be worth a punt if he became available in the 10m range. Short of that, Sneijder next summer would be a better option.
Exactly.
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I just don't think he's performed and i think if he played for any other team United fans would be having a good laugh about it.
No. United are deeply in need of a creative attacking midfielder who is a goal scoring threat. It has been like this for over a year now, things are not any different seeing as how the need has not been addressed.
He's a good player, if he was willing to play as part of the squad system he'd be class in 4-3-3 for us and was for Madrid last season when Kaka' got nobbled.
He would fit in perfectly on the left side in a midfield three.
He could be the new Real Madrid reject who wins everything
Wel already have plenty of young midfielders in the squad and more on there way. The utd kids are fantastic.
I don't rate Gibson as a decent squad player TBH, just as a WIP that will most likely fail. In any case, I said I wasn't sure he would be more than a decent squad player.
To me a decent squad player is O'Shea or Park, I'm sure VDV would be as useful, so up to 10M I would be happy. But I'm not sure he would become a definite starter, let alone be central to our success so I'm not overly fussed and certainly wouldn't go overboard to sign him.
Tell him to go bollox, funny how he now would like a move to Utd. Would rather sign Stephen Hawkins. And as for that cnut Benzema
Don't expect the same thing to happen this year. I know it's fun to dump on Real Puta's, but Mourinho will have that team humming this year. I expect them to be a force in all competitions (especially the CL).
Was a good player on the left of Real Madrid's midfield 3 last season. If we signed him for a reasonable price, good on us. If not, we'll live.
Why on Earth is Carrick being compared to Rafael Van Der Vaart?
Bizarre comment. We have carrick as a dm, fletcher is a workhorse and scholes nOw plays very deep too. A more advanced, attacking midfielder is exactly what we need, and vdv is a good option, especially for our set pieces which have been rubbish lately.
Not that bizarre. We have nobody else who can do what Fletcher and Hargreaves does. With one being permanently injured, we would need one. Scholes/Carrick, Ando/Gibson/Giggs.. we do play 442 a lot more than 433.. we can get by.
Everyone thought Robben and Sneijder were done with when Madrid cast them aside, look what happened since then.
In my opinion you can't judge a player by his time at Madrid, if anything you discard completely anything while they were at Madrid as it's just a farce. Benzema can't get into the team it doesn't mean he's crap. Ronaldo isn't the same now he is at Madrid either, it doesn't make him less of a player.
Outside of Madrid VDV has an amazing record. Take away the farce of Madrid and you have a great player.
In my opinion you can't judge a player by his time at Madrid, if anything you discard completely anything while they were at Madrid as it's just a farce. Benzema can't get into the team it doesn't mean he's crap. Ronaldo isn't the same now he is at Madrid either, it doesn't make him less of a player.
Outside of Madrid VDV has an amazing record. Take away the farce of Madrid and you have a great player.
Please tell me that you are not a real person!?
Exactly, feck knows.
[Practically] all players are different. Just because no other player is "quite" like Hargreaves or Fletcher, doesnt mean they are indispensable and we cant cope without them (although Fletcher has become integral to our team nonetheless).
The likes of Keane and Beckham are unique as well, but our team moves on and adapts over time. You cant try to keep 2 copies of every player just in case the first one gets injured - it makes more sense to keep a squad of varied options, and I reckon Van der Vaart would be a great option for us to have, and offers something different to our current midfielders.
What does he offer thats different to today's Ryan Giggs?
I would put him far closer to Scholes than Giggs. The latter has still got his fantastic technique, but pace was always a major part of his game and with that gone I dont feel he is as effective anymore. I see Van der Vaart as more of a playmaker, a slightly less direct player. His passing, long shooting and set piece ability are his strengths, whereas Giggs tends to be one of those actually getting into the box and taking players on.
We lack an "advanced playmaker" - to put it in FM terms.
No we don't. Berbatov can easily play that role if SAF asks him to do so. Him rediscovering his form might have a lot to do with us not going after another creative player. Berbatov could easily play the role that Ozil plays and Scholes is a master at the deep lying role that VDV has played at time for Real.
Berbatov is a striker NOT a creative midfielder. He said himself he struggled in his first season trying to play deep and Fergie also admitted it was a mistake. Plus how many times do people say he looks ineffective when trying to contribute from deep especially when he takes to years 2 join up with our attack play.
He would have outscored Messi had he not missed so many games last season
and? He still isn't the same player he was here.
Giggs's set pieces are one of his benefits and let to several of his assists last season. His passing and delivery are the main things he brings to the side at his current age. Alright shooting from range isnt... But VDV is absolutely nothing like Scholes. Nothing like him. Giggs is definitely a closer comparison at this point.
The role that people want Ozil/VDV for is a very advanced creative one. Berbatov wouldn't have to drop as deep as he did last season, to play that role.
We essentially need a Scholes replacement more than anything. Essentially all of our other departments have good cover and selection.
Our best midfield parntership in a 4-4-2 is Scholes-Fletcher at the moment as it is Fletcher-Carrick-Scholes in a 4-5-1 but in an ideal world, Anderson can play that role quite well. He was Sir Alex's original replacement for Scholes, no?
Our best midfield parntership in a 4-4-2 is Scholes-Fletcher at the moment as it is Fletcher-Carrick-Scholes in a 4-5-1 but in an ideal world, Anderson can play that role quite well. He was Sir Alex's original replacement for Scholes, no?
While Hargreaves has been injured, Fletcher has fulfilled his role to perfection and it has transformed him into a different player; a better one at that and I doubt that a fit Hargreaves can top what Fletch offers to the team now.
Well yes, but Park was the original replacement for Giggs on the left wing. So that doesnt mean we wont get someone else in when the player doesnt fully establish themselves as a proper replacement, as happened with Nani coming in.
He may not be a current Scholes type but he is much more of a playmaker than Giggs has ever been. At Hamburg, where he played as play maker in chief he run things for them. Only Diego at Werder was considered better than him at it in the whole league.
Says everything.