VDV would be a fantastic player to play when we go 4-3-3. Let's not miss out on the great Madrid Sales like we did last year.
Rafael Van der Vaart
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exactly, if Madrid want to take players from United at will then it would only be fair to take some cheap trash off them and then use that "trash" to pump them sideways in the CL.
If he costs like £5 million then why not? He's a very good option to rotate with. It's a team game, and we dont have a team full of world beaters, yet we still do very well
I have no problem if we get him for the right price...
But Madrid will try and flog him for 13 million, which is what they paid for Ozil. I like what he said about us, and hopefully we play this one smart and delay a bid till a few days before the window closes. Try to get him for as little as possible.
But Madrid will try and flog him for 13 million, which is what they paid for Ozil. I like what he said about us, and hopefully we play this one smart and delay a bid till a few days before the window closes. Try to get him for as little as possible.
I've not really noticed this
He might have more individual quality but he's not shown half as much willingness or understanding to make teams better at this level. He's had to have people cover for him at every team for him to excel, to show more quality than Carrick - we won't do that.
I can't wait for people to eat their words about Carrick this season.
You and me both, the number of calls for him to be sold were outrageous.
Maybe it's just me...I remember watching a few games and thinking that he's kinda like Ronaldinho (as he's been in the last few years). Only interested in going forward. Maybe he was given those instructions by the coach, I'm not sure. I do know he's got some great offensive weapons (long range shooting for one is pretty good), but the way we play I think he needs to have a bit about him when we are defending and I'm not sure I've ever seen him tackle or pressure others in midfield.
Scholes is our midfield playmaker, and even at 35 the ginger prince isn't worried about throwing himself about (even if he can't tackle). I just don't get the impression VdV cares about the dirty side of playing that midfield position. And in England where the tempo is quicker and possession changes occur more frequently I'm not sure he would fit in as well. I see him as our potential Aqualani. A real luxury player who just isn't suited to the English style of play.
I could be wrong, but that's just my gut feeling.
Frankie V, you can't compare Carrick to VDV, if anything they'd complement each other quite well alongside a Fletcher in a three man midfield.
He's more of a creative midfielder whereas Carrick is a defensive water carrier albeit a crucial one for our team as we don't have another disciplined DM in the team with Hargreaves out.
If we were to sign competition for Carrick, it'd most likely be Diarra and if we are looking to help lighten the load on Scholesy and not completely gamble on Anderson being ready to make his mark, it would be VDV.
He's more of a creative midfielder whereas Carrick is a defensive water carrier albeit a crucial one for our team as we don't have another disciplined DM in the team with Hargreaves out.
If we were to sign competition for Carrick, it'd most likely be Diarra and if we are looking to help lighten the load on Scholesy and not completely gamble on Anderson being ready to make his mark, it would be VDV.
remember the one for 7 mil to Sunderland!
we'll see indeed. Carrick will play a couple of crap games in the next month or two and we'll hear about how he's a slow starter. Then he'll play a few good games mid season and people will talk about how he's back. Then his form will dip and he'll be out the team again come the business end of the season and people will be fed up with him again.
He's a decent player but i just don;t think he's good enough, never have. Fletcher is far better than him and basically does everything carrick does, he just doesnt quite have Carricks ability to spray passes although Carrick rarely has that ability as he needs to be in form to do it and he's hardly ever in form.
I felt the same way about VDV throughout his career including his first year at Madrid, but last year he played relatively deep in a midfield three and really got stuck in, kept possession well and in general showed a side I'd not seen before with him.
VDV would be a great buy.
What a shit post. Carrick's had one poor season. He does an impeccable job for us.
if he has had 1 poor season (25% of his time at the club) how can he be impeccable?
Fixed it for you.
That's just because where he's not flashy or technical, or that he does the obvious things well, there's a lot of subtle excellence to Carrick's game I think you're missing.
Sir Alex isn't an idiot, he wouldn't pick him to play over 40 games a season in the most important position on the pitch if he wasn't good enough.
Would be a great signing. Similar to Scholes: isnt the fastest or most versatile but has an excelent passing range/ability and great vision and movement... learned to track back and defend at HSV and hasnt forgot how to produce magic from time to time.
Difference with Sneijder is that he is less versatile and not as able to use both feet as Sneijder... At the same time, he works harder (have you ever seen Sneijder track back at inter?) and isnt as egocentrical
again, would be a great signing... would be glad if we wont have to rely on Gibson anymore (dont rate him at all...) and i dont think hargreaves and or anderson are going to play a major role for United...
Difference with Sneijder is that he is less versatile and not as able to use both feet as Sneijder... At the same time, he works harder (have you ever seen Sneijder track back at inter?) and isnt as egocentrical
again, would be a great signing... would be glad if we wont have to rely on Gibson anymore (dont rate him at all...) and i dont think hargreaves and or anderson are going to play a major role for United...
I'll admit, I didn't watch Madrid as much last year (couldn't bear to see Ronaldo having a 'gay' ole time in white). But i'll take your word for it. I don't doubt he has qualities. I just wonder how he will fit in with us (considering he will want first team action), and at whose expense that will come.
For the right price, i'd welcome the additional squad depth.
Unfortunately yes I do. His name cropped up far too often on lists of players we should be letting go. Someone said it yesterday, it's bloody ridiculous.
No one will be eating their words over Carrick!! He will have the same season as always. Slow start- great little patch of form (To which people like you will be lick 'feck you Carrick bashers' then when it really matters will just not quite be good enough.)
Yeah, but he won't be so expensive, they sold Sneijder for 12 didn't they? Let's hope that wasn't a lesson learned for them.
Anyway, we won't be buying him so I guess it's irrelevant.
I just don't see him being all that. I never said he was a bad player i just think his level is not on par with VDV.
I struggle to remember him being outstanding in europe, he has been part of a great team on a couple of occasions but hes never really impressed me at international or european level which is odd given he is viewed as a more "cultured" player than most, from an english perspective at least.
Van Der Vaart would probably be as close to value as we are going to get.. But he is not United quality. Similar mould to Sneijder, but nowhere NEAR as good. Overhyped player IMO... Fortunate to keep a place in the Dutch squad as well. Alot of pressure coming in from Elia (if I got my names correct). I think signing a Madrid outcast this year, would be along the same lines as running after a bus and missing it, then walking away like you never wanted it anyway.
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1. He's certainly better than gibson (and anderson and carrick IMO) (in fact, in his postion as central attacking midfielder, only scholes is better if he's fit)
2. that rubbish, he's less agile and less able to use both feet, otherwise, he works harder (tracks back more often) and is less egocentrical, still has good vision, passing ability and movement
3. Uuhhh, Elia is a winger, VDV most certainly is not, however, the problem was that Sneijder was picked ahead of him for the attacking midfielder spot and our coach lacked the bollocks to put him next to van Bommel instead of that idiot De Jong...
Mugingtons.
This thread is embarrassing. you can just sense the desperation 
He has just issued a "come-and-get-me" plea to Fergie and I hope he is listening. I don't think he is going to cost us a lot. I think we can get him for around 7-9 Million.
aye cos Fergie never tells a porkie.if the price and his wage demands are low - then yes, why no. But there's no need to splash monies on him
Are you serious?
We won't even attempt to sign him. But I agree with what you say about the cost, he would be relatively inexpensive, and come here with a point to prove. That being that he is good enough to play for one of the best teams in the world after being rejected by another.
Even if after a year we decided not to keep him, in all likelihood we'd make a small profit.
I'm having mixed feelings about this one. Sometimes VDV looks very ordinary to me.
I think he's talking about it, purely in terms of ability. In which case he's right, VDV is the much superior talent. I agree with Brwned, even though Carrick's not as flashy, he does go about his business in a subtle way, which is often overlooked by many people. For all VDV's talent, Carrick has produced a lot more on the pitch. In the right set up though, VDV should thrive and might prove to be a match winner.
It's quite simple really..when his team loses the ball, they end up playing with 10 men
Totally different players and roles.
I like this. Would help no end with our shitty set pieces as well, but not sure he could be more than a decent squad player for us.
He is already 27. If he comes here, I m sure he will do well and he can retire as a United player. So we need not worry about selling him and making only a small profit. And even if that is the case, then it worth gambling because he is a world class midfielder. Well Real rejected Robben and Sneidjer and see what happened to them this past year.