It's like that when it involves an English player going down. Had it been Costa, Aguero or whoever it would've been "he went down easily".
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Exactly
At the end of the day, Blackett was there. Rafael didn't need to leg it in the striker's direction, causing him to have to completely halt with his hands up. Anyone would think that was Rafael's only option in that situation.
The referee messed up twice but the penalty could have been avoided completely.
The referee messed up twice but the penalty could have been avoided completely.
Getting back into position doesn't mean charging towards the guy, especially when the centre back's already covering his route to goal.
Having said that, it's beyond belief that the referee didn't give the free kick. Absolutely ridiculous.
I am not going to go back and read all the reaction because I can only imagine what it's like. However, there is no way I am laying any blame on Rafael for the penalty.
First of all, the prior foul, can't dwell on it but yes, it was as clear as day. As for Rafael giving away the penalty, the only thing he is guilty of, is running with intensity, that's all. It's a simple case of referees not understanding football. Clattenburg saw him running with intensity and assumed he was set out to snap the striker, he made no contact which should result in a foul, the striker simply stepped across him and flopped over.
I understand the argument of a lack of experience or a brain snap and not putting himself in that position and that's valid but at the end of the day, the referee should know better, you can say Rafael should too but if a player loses the ball, I want to see him chasing back as hard as possible, so I'm not going to hang him for that.
Ask any player, stupid referees will give fouls for the way the defender chases the ball, not the actual contact and it's a real pet hate among footballers.
First of all, the prior foul, can't dwell on it but yes, it was as clear as day. As for Rafael giving away the penalty, the only thing he is guilty of, is running with intensity, that's all. It's a simple case of referees not understanding football. Clattenburg saw him running with intensity and assumed he was set out to snap the striker, he made no contact which should result in a foul, the striker simply stepped across him and flopped over.
I understand the argument of a lack of experience or a brain snap and not putting himself in that position and that's valid but at the end of the day, the referee should know better, you can say Rafael should too but if a player loses the ball, I want to see him chasing back as hard as possible, so I'm not going to hang him for that.
Ask any player, stupid referees will give fouls for the way the defender chases the ball, not the actual contact and it's a real pet hate among footballers.
Do you'd prefer him to slowly run away from the player?
I hope LvG doesn't blame him for that and drop him.
Rafael was in no way to blame for that penalty. he got fouled initially, did extremely well to get back at Varney, who tricked the referee into giving a penalty by throwing himself at Rafa again under no provocation.
The referee is the only one to blame for that goal, the inept s***.
Also, I read somewhere in the press today that Hodgson should give Varney a call-up to the England squad. He wouldn't last 15 minutes against continental refs if he played like that.
The referee is the only one to blame for that goal, the inept s***.
Also, I read somewhere in the press today that Hodgson should give Varney a call-up to the England squad. He wouldn't last 15 minutes against continental refs if he played like that.
How can anyone blame Rafael, Clattenburg and Vardy had some kind of love story going on. Couple of dangerous tackles and clear fouls like that one. I was already furious before the penalty was given, if you don't think that was a foul on Rafael, you don't really understand football.
Clattenburg obviously doesn't know what a penalty is either, is laughable how he was conned by a cheat.
This is Redcafe, they love a scapegoat in here. For me Rafael was not to blame, he was fouled & pushed to the floor, he got up & actively chased down his man. He'd have been slaughtered if he hadn't. It really isn't the lads fault the ref got 2 decisions wrong & Vardy cheated.
When you look at Vardy in slow motion, it's actually a pretty bad dive. How Clattenburg gave it is truly beyond me.
FFS if that was Young, Ref wouldn't hesitate to give him a red card.
If that was Young it will be all over the media.
But it a plucky lad from a promoted team so he will get away with it.
Who cares, he will be back down where he belongs while Rafael will face better players who actually will play football.
Aah but all those defenders that Young dived against 'gave the ref a decision to make'. You can't do that apparently.
If he's got his left arm on his back then no he didn't run around him. Players know what happens when they make challenges in the box. Rafael should know more than most because he's done it so many times.
Which Everton game?
Can't believe that some people really believe Rafael was stupid. You can't be THAT afraid of diving. It was a particularly egregious example of a dive, and he was not looking to touch Vardy at all.
Exactly.
I am finding it really really difficult to comprehend how the push on Rafa in the lead up to the penalty was not given as a foul. If this was cricket you would be thinking it's a brown envelope job it was that bad of a decision. But then again Clattenburg has always been an inept referee.
Rafael had a good game, no one notice that none of Leicester's attack came from the right side because Rafael was solid and then that hideous decision from the referee happened. Shocking. Rafael was just unlucky and shouldnt be at fault. First the foul on him and then Vardy trying to compete in the diving Olympics. But at the end of the day United were still leading after that penalty bt no leadership was happening in that back line, that was united's weakness.
Read that phrase a lot in this thread and it shows a pretty poor grasp of physics. When a footballer is running at speed in one direction, how is it even possible to instantly propel himself the opposite direction?
Of course it is possible, to slow down sharply. If that causes a defender to go into the back of him then that defender is too close. Same principles as one car rear-ending another in traffic.
He's not propelled himself in the opposite direction, more sideways, and he wasn't going that fast anyway. You can see from the above gif that he slowed down and changed direction, threw himself into Rafael's path - which was not directly at Vardy - and went down like a sack of spuds. The only reason Rafael went into the back of him is because Vardy waited until he was close, initiated contact with Rafael and threw himself down.
To be honest the penalty aside it was one of the worst games I've seen him play in a while. He had a constant negativity about his passing, which is something I've never seen with him. His final ball often fell short also. It is however my biggest worry about this lopsided 4-3-3 formation. On the left side You have Rojo, with Di Maria being a constant outlet in front of him. On the right side however you have Rafael on his own with Herrera inside. He's being expected to play as a right back and a right winger. In my opinion if we are persevering with it Van Gaal needs to instruct a striker to push to the right hand side when the ball is in that area (Rooney would be the best to do this I would say, with Falcao central and Mata behind).
The penalty decision was a complete joke though. I blame Rafael slightly for being naive enough to run directly behind a player and get far too close, particularly to a player who has just fouled him. However the ref was just dying to give a penalty, I don't think I've seen a ref blow his whistle for a penalty that quickly in years. I think if it was 3-3 at that point in the game Clattenberg gives a foul every time and would also have never given the penalty.
It carries on from the "don't spoil a game" directive that refs have clearly been fed (ie do everything possible not to send someone off in the first half). It now seems to have evolved into a "make the game more interesting wherever possible", where you are far more likely to get a ton of favourable decisions when losing. Unfortunately both these "directives" actively ruin games as we saw yesterday.
The penalty decision was a complete joke though. I blame Rafael slightly for being naive enough to run directly behind a player and get far too close, particularly to a player who has just fouled him. However the ref was just dying to give a penalty, I don't think I've seen a ref blow his whistle for a penalty that quickly in years. I think if it was 3-3 at that point in the game Clattenberg gives a foul every time and would also have never given the penalty.
It carries on from the "don't spoil a game" directive that refs have clearly been fed (ie do everything possible not to send someone off in the first half). It now seems to have evolved into a "make the game more interesting wherever possible", where you are far more likely to get a ton of favourable decisions when losing. Unfortunately both these "directives" actively ruin games as we saw yesterday.
Nothing wrong with that challenge, what was he supposed to do? Stay down and let the guy walk in our penalty box?
I think this was his first full 90minutes since the pool match last season though, so he was always going to struggle/look a bit jaded. But I agree, rafa did not have any help in attack down the right at all. He was still solid defensively as every goal, barring the wrong pen, came from attacks down our very weak left side.
To be fair he played a key part in our third goal. His attacking play was lacking overall though.
I said to my dad as soon as we didn't get the free kick for the push on Rafael, 'he's going to push him back and concede a penalty'. 5 seconds later, you know the rest.
It's come to the point where you know what's coming, the indiscipline he shows week after week is shocking. I'm not just talking about yesterday although it did annoy me a lot because the way he charged after Vardy it was so predictable what was going to happen.
He can no longer blame youth or inexperience, he's been at United a long time and failed to learn. I would be looking for a buyer in January if I was in charge.
It's come to the point where you know what's coming, the indiscipline he shows week after week is shocking. I'm not just talking about yesterday although it did annoy me a lot because the way he charged after Vardy it was so predictable what was going to happen.
He can no longer blame youth or inexperience, he's been at United a long time and failed to learn. I would be looking for a buyer in January if I was in charge.
Rafa at the moment is doing 2 man job playing with Herrera on the right who likes to go inside all the time when attacking and doesn't cover defensively enough with him.
I did the same. Rafa needs a T-Shirt "Why always me"
Varney said that Leicester knew we that our formation would leave our full-backs exposed, so they planned to take full advantage of that. Which was exactly what they did. We were tactically out-witted by a newly promoted manager. Which is a bit of a worry.
Hold up there, Herrera has done more defensive job yesterday than Rafael did. Four tackles, three interceptions, Rafa had three interceptions and just one tackle. Just stats, I know, but they do show that Rafael didn't really have to do '2 man job'.
And this all stems from trying to shoehorn in RVP, Rooney and Falcao.
With one of those three players being absolutely terrible all season.
It's really concerning that he's a manager who has always been most comfortable playing a 433 but ended up spending 150m to create a squad of players that he is apparently unwilling/unable to use in that formation.
Really joke of a player
He doesn't slow down sharply, he looks to his right and then throws himself to the right, in front of Rafael.
Look at the GIF.
Poor refereeing decision - pure and simple. Rafael was solid before that moment.. huge dive, like literally barely any contact. I'm all for absolving the blame of referees and looking at ourselves instead but no doubt it was a horrendous decision.
Exactly. He doesn't "throw himself" into Rafael. He moves his body between Rafael and the ball. Basic stuff. Where Rafael fecks up is when he puts his forearm into Varney's back. As soon as he felt that contact Varney threw himself on the ground. A blatant dive and never a penalty when you look at slow motion replays. In real time it looked worse, though, and it was a situation Rafael could have avoided if he'd been more careful where he put his arms.
Sigh.
Have your way, blame Rafael. He doesn't do anything wrong there, he tries to get back goalside of Vardy, who decides to throw himself into him and fall to the floor. That's not anywhere near a pen, it's as bad a dive as you'll ever see.
But I see you've decided to blame Rafael, so keep at it.
Absolute bollocks.
He was assaulted off the ball and did the right thing by getting up and getting back to his man when the whistle didn't go, it was his job to get around Varney and goal side of him. He didn't "charge him in the back", he ran around him and as soon as he was even close Varney folded like a deck of cards, cheating the ref to a Pen and Clattenberg couldn't have blown quicker.
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