I'm not saying it is. The tag has stuck with him since then though, and whenever he commits a foul people just say it's because he's reckless.
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Enjoy mate!Aye, think on this occasion one can ave some sympathy with him being cheesed off too, having just been bowled over. Still don't think he's a naturally good defender though. Pouring forward at OT when the game's won, he's looks excellent. And with better defenders around him too, perhaps.
Anyway, that's enough 'idiotic agenda' from me. I'm off to write to the FA about Mr Twattenberk.. And drink a lot of beer.
Funny thing was it was so predictable he was going to give away the penalty. I was shouting "don't react don't react....oh feck off!". That said the referee was absolutely shit.
How anyone can blame Rafael for that situation
No, I wanted him to track back even further and close him down on the right. But he shouldn't even be in that situation as he was fouled initially.
When I first saw it in real time I thought he had reverted to the Rafael of old and lost his head out of frustration. He didn't though to be fair. It was just a truly horrendous decision.
Vardy goes to shoulder Rafael and goes down like a sack of shit under minimal contact. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a dive, but it obviously wasn't a penalty. The really frustrating thing is it was just a much lesser version of the shoulder barge on Rafael that Clattenberg had just said wasn't a foul. The cnut.
People saying he is blameless today and made no mistakes need to take their goggles off.
What was he doing for the first goal? That goal should be stopped if he actually communicates or deals with it himself.
What was he doing for the first goal? That goal should be stopped if he actually communicates or deals with it himself.
Clattenburg made a huge mistake today, there's no doubt about that.
But that doesn't mean Rafael is completely innocent. He seems a really good lad and always covers lots of ground, but he's been culpable on far too many occasions. Should he have prevented Vardy from pushing him off the ball in the first place? Ref got it all wrong, but it probably shouldn't have got to the stage, deal with it before it goes in the box...
But that doesn't mean Rafael is completely innocent. He seems a really good lad and always covers lots of ground, but he's been culpable on far too many occasions. Should he have prevented Vardy from pushing him off the ball in the first place? Ref got it all wrong, but it probably shouldn't have got to the stage, deal with it before it goes in the box...
The whole day is an utter pileup of mistakes.
I think it's one of those we don't over analyse and try and move on from asap.
Especially in the context of such an odd weekend where Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton have all lost too, the latter two at home!
Just frustrating it was a chance to make up a whole stash of ground, and be 2 points off 2nd!!
Gonna be a real odd season I can tell. City losing at home to Stoke was another.
Seriously? Part of the reason people are getting so mad is because Rafael was fouled by Vardy. If Falcao did that to De Laet it would have been a free kick all day.
Clattenburg had a shocker, but it's typical Rafael to be honest. He's 24 now and I'm going to put it out there that he's not of the required standard - he just doesn't learn.
On the first goal, he was on his heels and for the penalty, LvG was spot on - he gave the ref the opportunity to blow his whistle. His whole hustle and bustle, 100mph style in those situations just looks untidy.
On the first goal, he was on his heels and for the penalty, LvG was spot on - he gave the ref the opportunity to blow his whistle. His whole hustle and bustle, 100mph style in those situations just looks untidy.
Pretty much this. I have some sympathy because it was unbelievable the ref didn't give the free kick against Vardy. A clear foul all day long.
But I just think he could have used his brain a bit more so he didn't give the ref the decision to make following that. If that means allowing him to cross it in this instance, so be it.
Any contact was always going to be a pen. Unfortunate though he was, I'm disappointed in his part in it too following the foul.
He should have shown his experience, not that it was a peno mind you but the way he rose to rush to the forward was expected by the ref and the ref then bought the theatrical fall. Not his fault entirely but the collective collapse of our defence and how Van Gaal watched unfold was disturbing.
This "he gave Clattenburg a chance" -talk needs to fecking die.. What the hell is he supposed to do? He needs to get close and has a right to challenge the striker and not be afraid that IF/when the opposition CHEATS, he has no support from the referee. I think the first challenge was 50/50 at least which also went for the attacking player. Defenders have been cut dry when the plastic fans are just waiting for 4-4 results every week..
Given LvG's post match comments I wouldn't be shocked to see TBT playing next week instead of Raf.
People only think Rafael "gave the referee an opportunity" because it was actually Rafael himself. Like I said, he's a victim of his own reputation in that mud sticks. He didn't really do a great deal wrong, but because you, I, Clattenberg and a whole host of football fans saw him charging back thinking "he's going to dive in" then it pretty much makes up the referee's mind for him. Clattenberg should be above that, though, and judge the situation on its merit. He didn't actually dive in, nor was it a foul. His only real fault was his admittedly quite bulldog-like style of play. There isn't a great deal he can do to change that at the end of the day, and nor should he have to.
Not convinced
Poor decision from the ref, but Rafael give the ref a decision to make. Had he never touched him, the ref couldn't give anything.
Very true and very likely the way Clattenburg processed to give the penalty.
He got unfairly punished by Clattenburg.
Wow. The first time I've seen the incident, that's a disgraceful decision. When I first heard about it, I though Rafael may have been a bit silly but that's ridiculous!
Blaming Rafael for the penalty is pure lunacy. Watch the incident without thinking "this is Rafael, he's rash" and you'll quite plainly see he does absolutely nothing wrong. No, he doesn't "give the referee a decision to make", the referee decided to make a ridiculous decision all on his own.
The "any contact in the box is risky" talk is rubbish — there's 100 times that amount of contact during any corner/free kick; even outside of set pieces, there were about 20 incidents with far more contact than this in the box during the City v Chelsea match later on, and not one penalty. Attackers don't have a force field around them all of a sudden, just because Mark Clattenburg is completely inept at his job.
The most galling thing is, reverse the roles here and imagine Clattenburg had given us this penalty instead of Leicester. Is there one person in the world who would say "oh the full back has given him a decision to make, it's silly from him"? No, it would all be about how United are getting a helping hand from the refs again. Fair play to Jamie Carragher though, he's actually the only pundit who unreservedly said this was a ridiculous decision on both accounts (no foul on Rafa, then foul by him), and that it changed the momentum drastically.
The "any contact in the box is risky" talk is rubbish — there's 100 times that amount of contact during any corner/free kick; even outside of set pieces, there were about 20 incidents with far more contact than this in the box during the City v Chelsea match later on, and not one penalty. Attackers don't have a force field around them all of a sudden, just because Mark Clattenburg is completely inept at his job.
The most galling thing is, reverse the roles here and imagine Clattenburg had given us this penalty instead of Leicester. Is there one person in the world who would say "oh the full back has given him a decision to make, it's silly from him"? No, it would all be about how United are getting a helping hand from the refs again. Fair play to Jamie Carragher though, he's actually the only pundit who unreservedly said this was a ridiculous decision on both accounts (no foul on Rafa, then foul by him), and that it changed the momentum drastically.
I love the guy but he played a big part in our downfall today.
Was sleeping at the back post for their goal. Not helped by Evans losing his man and flight of the ball.
For the pen, we all cringed as soon as he got up from that shove. Should've been smarter, but terrible reffing.
Was sleeping at the back post for their goal. Not helped by Evans losing his man and flight of the ball.
For the pen, we all cringed as soon as he got up from that shove. Should've been smarter, but terrible reffing.
For there first goal, all the defenders were at fault. Rojo should never of let him cross, Rafa wasn't close enough to the guy and evans was in no mans lands doing nothing. That's the only poorness of Rafa's display today. In fact in the second half when he was in the same battle with Ulloa, he put in a great header as well as some other vital headed clearances when they started hitting our box with crosses and corners.
Am I the only one who wondered why the hell Rafa had to come all the way inside to track Ulloa for the first goal, when Evans was positioned two yards away?
Why didn't Evans take charge of the situation and get close to Ulloa? Didn't he expect Vardy to get to the ball before it ran out?
Poor defensive play (by Rojo as well).
Have no idea but you would kind of expect the defender who was there (Evans) to take charge of it. Especially when he is ment to be the most experienced one out there now. Not sure if it was lack of communication or what but common sense tells you to get there ahead of the guy behind you.
Was at fault for the 1st, the penalty decision wasn't entirely his fault, but gave the ref the opportunity and besides which his uncontrolled playstyle seems to be highlighted every other game, last week against QPR we saw the best of what he offers but I can't help but feel that I'd love a "boring" (less injury prone) Gary Neville type instead.
That's how I saw it, and assumed it was the right decision based on Rafael's previous for that type of thing. I thought in my head he's going to give a rash pen away here. But....then I saw the replay, he didn't even touch the cheating diving fecker. Vardy throws himself back into Rafael and cons Clattenburg.
Clattenburg has gone off reputation, which a referee cannot do when making a decision. Vardy is known as a bit of a cnut in the lower leagues anyway, refs will be on the lookout for this type of thing from him too now in the future, it's just a shame we are the ones to suffer for it.
The attacker also moved his body to make contact with Rafael. Rafa only ran in a straight line. Awful Officiating
He is not to blame for today.
Every time I see that it gets worse. I'm struggling to think of 2 worse refereeing decisions in a the space of a few seconds. I cannot think of anything that bad in recent memory, I mean it's just so obvious. Rafael literally does not touch him. And the foul on Rafael is given 99 out of 100 times from refs who have their eyes open. A scandal.
We dont get penalties when this happens...
Rafa was fouled end of. Thought he did well today.. Clattenburg did bottled this all day..
Rafa was fouled end of. Thought he did well today.. Clattenburg did bottled this all day..
Am I missing a replay or something? Why are people saying he didn't touch him? He definitely puts his left arm in Varney's back. That's the contact which provoked the dive.
yep I think it played a part in it. Referees seems to dislike Rafael, just because he is brasilian and surely clattenburg prefer rather vardy because his face is as ugly as his. I hate when referee tries to be a star on the pitch. This twattish bastard ruined our match, I don't usually make excuses and put blame on referees
That gif does not tell the whole story though. He does put his left hand in his back....still don't think it should be a penalty. Besides Rafeal was fouled first.
It was a rather poor decision from the ref, on both the shove and the way their forward lent in and then flopped over, but in fairness even with that penalty it would have been 3-2 I believe, we still utterly imploded, from a mental standpoint of our players it was very worrying.
Bizarre lunacy seems to follow Rafael regardless.
Bizarre lunacy seems to follow Rafael regardless.
The only reason Rafael's arm touches his back is that Varney slows down and throws himself into him (along with the classic hit your own feet together dive). If he carried on running straight they would have been shoulder to shoulder.
So what's he meant to do? Act like Nani and just lie on the floor complaining about the foul?
He did EXACTLY what he is paid to do. By playing football you "give the referee a decision to make".
What was he meant to do? Don't be silly. Like I said, poor decision by the ref, but that doesn't give Rafael the right to get up and make the same mistake. Two wrongs do not make a right. Rafael retaliated and we got punished. Simple!
How did he retaliate? At most he grazed Vardy's back with his arm, there was no significant contact whatsoever. Vardy literally jumps into Rafael and trips himself to sell the penalty.
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