[Annahnomoss]

Don't think the first call is too wrong by the referee, similar to Valencia's which we all applauded. The penalty call however is completely pathetic, worst "dive attempt" I've seen as he basically lunges himself half a metre side-ways to get in the way of Rafael and then he falls himself.

Talk about seeking the contact.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

How did he retaliate? At most he grazed Vardy's back with his arm, there was no significant contact whatsoever. Vardy literally jumps into Rafael and trips himself to sell the penalty.

He give the ref a decision to make.

 

[Cutch]

Its a bit worrying that he's been here 6 years now and he's still making the same mistakes without ever seeming to learn. Ball watching, poor positioning and rash play is making him a liability. Not only that, but his ability on the ball seems to have massively regressed. Looks clumsy on the ball, is reluctant to make driving runs anymore and only hits a decent final ball about 1 in 6. Sarcastically dismissing every referee decision against him probably isn't helping his cause either.

Needs to up his game in a big way.

 

[Lu Tze]

He give the ref a decision to make.

You could say that about literally any defender within a metre of any attacker in the box ever. It's dumb.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

You could say that about literally any defender within a metre of any attacker in the box ever. It's dumb.

Even more 'dumb' when it's in the penalty box.

 

[gza the genius]

Really can't see how people are blaming him for the third goal. The only reason the penalty was given was because of Rafael's reputation. When I saw him get up and go flying right back to Vardy I thought he was going to end up doing something stupid but he ended up just catching up to him and then Vardy dove, not much Rafael could've done unless you would've rather he just stayed on the ground and not tried to recover.

 

[justboy68]

Any other player in the universe and this 'gave the ref a decision to make' bollocks doesn't get spouted for a defender running innocently back into the box.

 

[Heinzesight]

Anyone blaming Rafael for any aspect the 'penalty' knows feck all about football.

 

[Wowi]

Clattenburg made a huge mistake today, there's no doubt about that.

But that doesn't mean Rafael is completely innocent. He seems a really good lad and always covers lots of ground, but he's been culpable on far too many occasions. Should he have prevented Vardy from pushing him off the ball in the first place? Ref got it all wrong, but it probably shouldn't have got to the stage, deal with it before it goes in the box...

What? Do you understand football or even physics? Both players are running at full speed towards the ball at full speed when Vardy gives him a big push in the back - how would you do anything but go to the ground in that situation? Even if Rafael wanted to stay on his feet there's no way he could with a push in the back at that speed. He then gets up quickly and chases after Vardy, who jumps in front of him and goes down like a sack of shit while Rafael touches his shoulder ever so slightly. Even ignoring the free kick he should've had and his "history of retaliations" it was never a penalty, so blaming Rafael for anything in that whole incident is about as insane as Clattenburg's interpretation of it.

There's plenty of other defensive situations you can pick out and say Rafael should've done better, but he did everything right in this situation - including getting back on his feet instead of staying on the floor and having a moan, like many other players would (which, ironically, might actually have meant the situation had lead to nothing).

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He elbowed him in his fecking back. You'd get away with that in the Sunday league but there's always a risk you'll get punished when you're up against someone clever enough to make a meal if it. You see it so many time. Usually by defenders. Wait for a nudge in the back then flop over. Just a silly thing to do in the box.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Anyone blaming Rafael for any aspect the 'penalty' knows feck all about football.

Guess our manager doesn't know anything about football then.

Van Gaal

"For the first penalty it is always the referee [who you talk about] but you don't have to do that as a player.

"You know you are in the penalty area and you allow the referee to whistle if you make a challenge, I don't know if it is a penalty but we have to look at ourselves because we made such big errors as a team.

"I cannot say that I am happy."

 

[Wowi]

He elbowed him in his fecking back. You'd get away with that in the Sunday league but there's always a risk you'll get punished when you're up against someone clever enough to make a meal if it. You see it so many time. Usually by defenders. Wait for a nudge in the back then flop over. Just a silly thing to do in the box.

I've watched the gif on the previous page on a loop for a while now and I honestly don't see it - if you have any other angle I'd like to see it. As he catches up to Vardy, Vardy throws himself in front of Rafael and in the process Rafael hits Vardy's shoulder. It's not like Rafael barged straight into his back.

 

[matherto]

Anyone blaming Rafael for any aspect the 'penalty' knows feck all about football.

Nope.

Simply put, yes it was a foul, it should've been given and I doubt you'd even find many Liverpool/City fans who wouldn't say it was

However, once that happened Rafa let the blood rush to his head and that's what you blame him for. Everybody on the planet knows if you put your hands on someone in the box then it doesn't matter how easily the player goes down, the referee will ALWAYS give a penalty. More so when the ref considers that the defender has charged at the attacker after feeling like he's been done over.

If Rafa doesn't touch him then there's no penalty and we see what happens with the attack. Other players were getting over to cover and we don't know what Vardy would've done but either way there's no penalty.

To suggest a player cannot be blamed even 1% when he's just given away a penalty is grade A bollocks and you know it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I've watched the gif on the previous page on a loop for a while now and I honestly don't see it - if you have any other angle I'd like to see it. As he catches up to Vardy, Vardy throws himself in front of Rafael and in the process Rafael hits Vardy's shoulder. It's not like Rafael barged straight into his back.

The gif's inconclusive, was better angle on MOTD.

 

[AKDevil]

Its a bit worrying that he's been here 6 years now and he's still making the same mistakes without ever seeming to learn. Ball watching, poor positioning and rash play is making him a liability. Not only that, but his ability on the ball seems to have massively regressed. Looks clumsy on the ball, is reluctant to make driving runs anymore and only hits a decent final ball about 1 in 6. Sarcastically dismissing every referee decision against him probably isn't helping his cause either.

Needs to up his game in a big way.

Praise The Lord for this man.

 

[surf]

For a defender, he doesn't play with enough control (and I don't mean of his temper, just of his role on the pitch). He seems too much on the edge, of something brilliant or reckless. The anti-Neville.

 

[AKDevil]

Any other player in the universe and this 'gave the ref a decision to make' bollocks doesn't get spouted for a defender running innocently back into the box.

Running back into the box is one thing. It is ridiculously, beyond stupid to try and run into the box through the back of an opponent.

 

[iBoss]

Nope.

Simply put, yes it was a foul, it should've been given and I doubt you'd even find many Liverpool/City fans who wouldn't say it was

However, once that happened Rafa let the blood rush to his head and that's what you blame him for. Everybody on the planet knows if you put your hands on someone in the box then it doesn't matter how easily the player goes down, the referee will ALWAYS give a penalty. More so when the ref considers that the defender has charged at the attacker after feeling like he's been done over.

If Rafa doesn't touch him then there's no penalty and we see what happens with the attack. Other players were getting over to cover and we don't know what Vardy would've done but either way there's no penalty.

To suggest a player cannot be blamed even 1% when he's just given away a penalty is grade A bollocks and you know it.

Not true. What happens at corners then? Also, it's not like he grabbed the cnuts shirt, he only tried to give himself a bit of leverage. He didn't even grip on to the guy.

 

[justboy68]

Vardy decides to go down before that vicious assault from Rafael driving his elbow into his back. The reason Rafael's arm gently caresses his back is because Vardy completely throws his body towards him while simultaneously dragging his legs into each other to fall down. It's plain as day.

Running back into the box is one thing. It is ridiculously, beyond stupid to try and run into the box through the back of an opponent.

Yeah that would be a silly thing to do. Did someone do that in the Everton game?

 

[acnumber9]

People here won't like it but Rafael will be replaced by the time next season starts.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Not true. What happens at corners then? Also, it's not like he grabbed the cnuts shirt, he only tried to give himself a bit of leverage. He didn't even grip on to the guy.

I was gonna say, if that's true then why isn't Martin Skrtel giving away a dozen penalties every game.

Some utter rubbish being talked in this thread. Clattenburg made two ridiculous blunders in the space of about 5 seconds. He's a disgrace of a referee.

 

[bosnian_red]

Running back into the box is one thing. It is ridiculously, beyond stupid to try and run into the box through the back of an opponent.

Good thing he ran around him then right? Too bad clattenberg can't fecking see what was a clear dive. Rafael did absolutely nothing wrong there.

 

[Wowi]

The gif's inconclusive, was better angle on MOTD.

Fair enough, hopefully I can dig it up at some point. Really don't feel like downloading MOTD to watch it!

 

[matherto]

Not true. What happens at corners then? Also, it's not like he grabbed the cnuts shirt, he only tried to give himself a bit of leverage. He didn't even grip on to the guy.

Corners are a completely different kettle of fish.

In the situation Rafael found himself in, if he touched him, Vardy was going down, referee was giving a penalty. He didn't have to touch him but he did and gave the referee an easy choice.

It's bollocks that referees give penalties like that so easily, but they always do. Players should be more aware.

 

[justboy68]

Fair enough, hopefully I can dig it up at some point. Really don't feel like downloading MOTD to watch it!

Don't worry it looked every bit as ridiculous as it does in the gif.

 

[iBoss]

Corners are a completely different kettle of fish.

In the situation Rafael found himself in, if he touched him, Vardy was going down, referee was giving a penalty. He didn't have to touch him but he did and gave the referee an easy choice.

It's bollocks that referees give penalties like that so easily, but they always do. Players should be more aware.

I would be more pissed off if Rafael sat there protesting and had not chased Vardy back down. The blame isn't with him, it's with the ref.

 

[matherto]

I would be more pissed off if Rafael sat there protesting and had not chased Vardy back down. The blame isn't with him, it's with the ref.

So would I but he didn't have to touch him.

I agree that Clattenberg has had an absolute mare and it should never have gotten that far but to completely absolve Rafael of the blame when he's given away a penalty is biased bollocks.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

"gives the referee a decision to make" seems to be the new buzz phrase of the moment.

A dive is a dive.

 

[Rob Bowman]

Look... way too many times we are having tyo defend Rafael.

Bottom line is this happens way too much with him. I mean look at Rio. Over the last five years or so Rio has averaged 1 foul every 5 games. Rafael on the other hand has averaged 6 every 5 games.

We need intelligent play, not the first attacker wanting to go down easy in the box. like others have said Rafael has had a few years and I am getting tired of this situations always happening with him out there.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

So would I but he didn't have to touch him.

I agree that Clattenberg has had an absolute mare and it should never have gotten that far but to completely absolve Rafael of the blame when he's given away a penalty is biased bollocks.

All the "biased bollocks" in this thread is coming from those looking to condemn our own player for an incorrect refereeing decision and a blatant dive by an opposition player.

 

[FromTheBench]

Look... way too many times we are having tyo defend Rafael.

Bottom line is this happens way too much with him. I mean look at Rio. Over the last five years or so Rio has averaged 1 foul every 5 games. Rafael on the other hand has averaged 6 every 5 games.

We need intelligent play, not the first attacker wanting to go down easy in the box. like others have said Rafael has had a few years and I am getting tired of this situations always happening with him out there.

Eh ? Rio was a CB and Rafael is a RB to begin with. And then there was Vidic partnering Rio.

All the "biased bollocks" in this thread is coming from those looking to condemn our own player for an incorrect refereeing decision and a blatant dive by an opposition player.

All stemming even more from Weird LVG comments.

How can he ever be wrong ?

 

[matherto]

All the "biased bollocks" in this thread is coming from those looking to condemn our own player for an incorrect refereeing decision and a blatant dive by an opposition player.

No it isn't.

We're not suggesting it wasn't an incorrect refereeing decision, nor that it wasn't a blatant dive.

Fact of the matter is Rafael did something wrong as well which some of you can't seem to fathom because of your anger about the decision.

 

[surf]

Think ac#9 will be proved right. He doesn't seem like a LVG thinking-type player.

 

[Giggsforever]

Guess our manager doesn't know anything about football then.

Van Gaal

He thinks Rafael makes a challange because he has not seen it yet. Great way to prove your point

 

[matherto]

"gives the referee a decision to make" seems to be the new buzz phrase of the moment.

A dive is a dive.

And yet many, many dives result in penalties given.

Referees are fecking rubbish, players should wise up and not give the attackers the chance to make a convincing dive. If Rafael doesn't put his hands on him then Vardy doesn't fall to the floor looking for a penalty.

 

[FromTheBench]

Fact of the matter is Rafael did something wrong as well which some of you can't seem to fathom because of your anger about the decision.

Yeah, and Nani did something wrong too for the Cuneyt Cakir decision. Guess LVG would have just blamed him for raising his foot too high without awareness giving the "referee a decision to make".

He was barged off the ball pretty much and then got up and went chasing and didn't even make much contact with Vardy who basically dove. Clattenburg basically was bent over to give that penalty.

 

[Brophs]

Once he had been fouled he got up and ran after him in that Rooney-esque frustrated/aggressive way where you think "Uh-oh, I know what's coming next" which allowed the ref to assume the foul once Rafa got close and Vardy went down (I haven't any it back since watching it live but it looked soft). Obviously the ref should be able to ignore that and see it for what it was but we all know that the body language, so to speak, of players going into challenges can be the basis for decisions. Particularly so in the box. So being a little smarter is what's required so that you don't give the ref the chance to make a mistake/give a soft peno.

 

[Phil]

The fun thing is had he not tried to get back into position he'd have been ripped into as well.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

He thinks Rafael makes a challange because he has not seen it yet. Great way to prove your point

So our manager wasn't at the game?

Either way, if you spend a bit of time to read Van Gaal's quotes, he says Rafael allowed the ref to blow his whistle by making the challenge.

 

[matherto]

Yeah, and Nani did something wrong too for the Cuneyt Cakir decision. Guess LVG would have just blamed him for raising his foot too high without awareness giving the "referee a decision to make".

He was barged off the ball pretty much and then got up and went chasing and didn't even make much contact with Vardy who basically dove. Clattenburg basically was bent over to give that penalty.

I agree with all that, I simply replied to the original post which said 'anyone blaming Rafael for any part of that knows nothing about football' which is a bunch of rubbish.

Doesn't matter how much contact he made. If you do and the player goes over, referees give the penalty. It's just automatic, it's fecking rubbish but it happens. Like if you make contact with a goalkeeper in the box then the goalkeeper always gets the free kick no matter what contact was made.