Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances

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peterstorey said:
Yet no one can refute the fact that there were 3 major feck ups by the golden boy (we won't even talk about the 1st leg clusterfeck for shame).
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Well actually, I refuted 2 of them, as have the majority of people in here except you and ghali who agrees with 2.

He made one small error in a massive game (giving the ball away) and it led to nothing. Even the best do that on occasions (give the ball away), Fabregas vs. Barcelona is a PRIME EXAMPLE.
 
You talked crap relying on:

- a ref's shit call
- a forward's view of what a fullback should be doing (despite the ball ending up in the net)
- a very lucky let-off after being dispossessed in the box
 
Sorry, how can people say he wasn't at fault for the goal. His one job was to mark Ronaldo by staying goalside of him and ideally stopping any balls reaching him. Ronaldo stole a march on him and scored.

Now it's hardly a capital crime - Ronaldo's fecking good. But he clearly failed to do what he was supposed/trying to do.
 
peterstorey said:
- a ref's shit call
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tell me Pete, what should Rafael do there? Just let the lad score? Because he has no other way of stopping that ball going into the net than just throwing his body towards the ball and man to get anything in the way.

"The forwards view", well you should know I'm a midfielder by now, and well, I explained it more than enough, you couldn't buy a clue if you think he's at fault for the goal.
 
Plechazunga said:
Er yeah, right up to the point Ronaldo runs straight past him and scores. His job was to run as well and cut the ball off. It's far from easy but that doesn't mean you get a pass for failing to do it.
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Rafael is in line with his defence in the perfect position for a right back, the cross is just fecking unbelievable and takes him out. It's like blaming Cesar for not saving Rafael's shot at Loftus Road. Sometimes a cross and play is just that good, the fact that you can't understand that and think everything is stoppable is beyond ridiculous.
 
I'm always right said:
"The forwards view", well you should know I'm a midfielder by now, and well, I explained it more than enough, you couldn't buy a clue if you think he's at fault for the goal.
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'Attacking' midfielder per chance? Any defender would have got across his man - you should know where the man is and where the ball is likely to come - not go gobsmacked as the man runs in behind you. feck's sake it's Sunday league.
 
It's like partly blaming Evra for the goal conceded at the Bernebeu, sometimes there's balls put into the box that are just incredibly difficult for anyone to defend - the attacker is always at an advantage in that position. It was a fantastic ball in, there was one put in moments before that as well that completely went unchallenged across the center of the goal.
 
peterstorey said:
'Attacking' midfielder per chance? Any defender would have got across his man - you should know where the man is and where the ball is likely to come - not go gobsmacked as the man runs in behind you. feck's sake it's Sunday league.
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Well who I am to argue with that, you should know Pete cause Sunday league was the pinnacle of your football career. ;)

Back in the real World of decent football though, Higuain's cross was simply perfect.
 
Plechazunga said:
Sorry, how can people say he wasn't at fault for the goal. His one job was to mark Ronaldo by staying goalside of him and ideally stopping any balls reaching him. Ronaldo stole a march on him and scored.

Now it's hardly a capital crime - Ronaldo's fecking good. But he clearly failed to do what he was supposed/trying to do.
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:lol: you're just telling lies.
 
I'm always right said:
Rafael is in line with his defence in the perfect position for a right back, the cross is just fecking unbelievable and takes him out. It's like blaming Cesar for not saving Rafael's shot at Loftus Road. Sometimes a cross and play is just that good, the fact that you can't understand that and think everything is stoppable is beyond ridiculous.
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Obviously it's stoppable. It would have taken a bit of excellent defending, but not impossibly excellent by any stretch.

Rafael's shot was more or less unsaveable, this is totally different, he got caught flat-footed when the cross (or more likely shot) came in, unlike Ronaldo who thought faster and did him.
 
There are going to be some stressful Rafael to Madrid/Barcelona rumors in the coming years aren't there?!
 
Plechazunga said:
Obviously it's stoppable. It would have taken a bit of excellent defending, but not impossibly excellent by any stretch.

Rafael's shot was more or less unsaveable, this is totally different, he got caught flat-footed when the cross (or more likely shot) came in, unlike Ronaldo who thought faster and did him.
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Rafael thinks just as quick, you can see that in the gif, but Rafael's job is to see Ronaldo's run first, Ronaldo's job is just to attack the space of HIS choice? Rafael checks, see Ronaldo and INSTANTLY tries to cut out that space, but the ball is just too good.

The ONLY thing Rafael could do to stop it what to guess that the ball would be smashed low to the back stick and that Ronaldo would run there rather than in towards the middle. Well, if we're talking about guessing then Cesar could've guess where Rafael was going to shoot couldn't he?

How on Earth can you not understand that?
 
Plechazunga said:
Have you ever had the experience of marking a striker who makes a run and steals a march on you and scores? What do you think when it happens? You think, 'feck, I wasn't sharp enough.' That's what Rafa will have been thinking since Tuesday night.
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Have you ever had the experience of knowing you did everything right in a defensive situation and going, "feck me that was just too good". That's what Rafa will have been thinking since Tuesday night.
 
Plechazunga said:
Have you ever had the experience of marking a striker who makes a run and steals a march on you and scores? What do you think when it happens? You think, 'feck, I wasn't sharp enough.' That's what Rafa will have been thinking since Tuesday night.
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Yes I have, I played as a fullback through being a junior and got pushed up the field for that very reason. I ball-watch when I defend.

But my marking skills are about as good as your reading back a page skill :D.
 
Plechazunga said:
Obviously it's stoppable. It would have taken a bit of excellent defending, but not impossibly excellent by any stretch.

Rafael's shot was more or less unsaveable, this is totally different, he got caught flat-footed when the cross (or more likely shot) came in, unlike Ronaldo who thought faster and did him.
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But you are forgetting the fact that Rafael had his back to Ronaldo. So before he reacted he had to make sure he knew where Ronaldo was. He could not just start running to the back post anticipating the ball. What happens if Higuain had floated it towards the back post, then Rafael was in a good position to head it away. So that half second it took for Rafael to make sure where Ronaldo was what did him in. You can hardly blame him for it.
 
it's like none of you realise that Ronaldo could've just as well decided to attack the ball like he did to Evra in the away leg and that Rafael has to base his decision on what Ronaldo does, he does that instantly when Ronaldo makes his run, the ball is just too good.

It's just a very very silly blame game for me, no one was at fault for either goal the other night.
 
I'm always right said:
Well who I am to argue with that, you should know Pete cause Sunday league was the pinnacle of your football career. ;)

Back in the real World of decent football though, Higuain's cross was simply perfect.
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:lol: you give yourself away.. I bet you get in the dressing room... 'Mark the fecker you useless cnut you're supposed to be a midfielder'.
 
Plechazunga said:
Hmm, you cnuts are right, he does react quicker than I thought.

He still could have blocked it, though it would probably have just fallen for the other striker in there.
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If he had slide in, it would have been an own goal. He was just hoping Ronaldo would not get to it and probably wouldnt have if he hadnt slide in.
 
Plechazunga said:
Hmm, you cnuts are right, he does react quicker than I thought.
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Fair play. I'm not trying to be a cnut here, I genuinely believe that the 2 goals the other night were no-one's fault and I have no idea why people are trying to attribute blame. Rafael reacts the split-second he sees Ronaldo make his move, but he's beaten by a simply sensational cross. That's as clear as day to me.
 
RDCR07 said:
If he had slide in, it would have been an own goal. He was just hoping Ronaldo would not get to it and probably wouldnt have if he hadnt slide in.
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He had no chance of reaching the ball even on the slide. The ball has to travel 2 more yards to Ronaldo and even he needs to slide.
 
Rafael reacts as quick as he possibly could, the team in possession of the ball always has a moment extra to make thier move and that's what led to the goal, not poor defending at all.

It was a great cross, if Rafael touched it it's a own goal, and if not Ronaldo taps it in.
 
RDCR07 said:
Plus hasn't Johnson been used as a left back a little more this season?
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He has but still probably would go down as a right back if in contention as the majority of his performances have been there (at least according to whoscored anyway).

Zabaleta will be Rafael's main competition for it and I think Zabaleta will get the nod over Rafa.
 
I'm always right said:
Fair play. I'm not trying to be a cnut here, I genuinely believe that the 2 goals the other night were no-one's fault and I have no idea why people are trying to attribute blame. Rafael reacts the split-second he sees Ronaldo make his move, but he's beaten by a simply sensational cross. That's as clear as day to me.
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I think the first goal, strangely, is more of a example of perhaps a mistake on our teams part than the second. I could see the dummy coming and perhaps Carrick shouldn't have committed as he did, but generally I agree with you. The goals were no ones fault, in particular the second wasn't Rafaels fault. I'd blame Vidic more than Rafael if I had to blame anyone.
 
fwiw, if the cross wasn't as good and fiercely struck as it was, DDG would've got something on it, but it is as perfect as cross as you're ever likely to see.
 
Fergus' son said:
I think the first goal, strangely, is more of a example of perhaps a mistake on our teams part than the second. I could see the dummy coming and perhaps Carrick shouldn't have committed as he did, but generally I agree with you. The goals were no ones fault, in particular the second wasn't Rafaels fault. I'd blame Vidic more than Rafael if I had to blame anyone.
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Carrick's in a horrible position though because they have an extra man, it's a nightmare for him in that situation. The first is a great goal by Modric, the second is just sensational play from Özil and Higuain.
 
Fergus' son said:
Rafael reacts as quick as he possibly could, the team in possession of the ball always has a moment extra to make thier move and that's what led to the goal, not poor defending at all..
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Good defenders anticipate - its probably 50% of the job. They don't react cos it's often too late.
 
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