Didn't Newcastle out spend us last summer if you count sales of players as weLl? Don't know why I didn't just say net spend
Rafa Benitez | Sacked (Fachts)
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If Ashley doesn't get rid of Carr, Charnley and the like then he's a fool.
He's still the manager, he took on the responsibility on taking over Newcastle and failed to keep them up. He's hardly blameless is he?
Yeah I suppose Newcastle didn't win every single game under his management so I guess you're right.
They failed to beat Villa under his management, they deserve relegation for that alone
http://sports.opera.com/?sport=news&page=news&view=article&news_id=782735&localization_id=www
Charnley will burn on Tyneside if he doesn't close this deal.
Charnley will burn on Tyneside if he doesn't close this deal.
To point the finger at Benitez in any way is just daft. To even make a go of it is credit to the manager who took over a side in a shocking state. His finish would have had to be pretty flawless to overcome a resurgent Sunderland.
Benitez has done a good job. I don't think he is that amazing a manager I think McLaren is just utter tripe. Newcastle have a very strong squad compared to the other relegated/relegation fighting teams - expect Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Janmaat to be picked up by the likes of Palace, Stoke and Swansea.
I guess that makes Leicester not worthy of the title either.
No as they didn't need to win to do what they did. That result is what sent Newcastle down, context
From Benitez’s 10 matches at the helm since taking over from Steve McClaren on March 11, the Magpies collected 13 points and recorded a goal difference of +4, scoring 16 times and conceding 12.
That's not bad. They would have been in a safe spot had he been hired in January.
That's not bad. They would have been in a safe spot had he been hired in January.
Saw this on Facebook earlier , Rafa & Fat Sam.
Not quite.
The extra two points would have only put us level with Sunderland and still way behind by -7 on GD. So barring a miracle thrashing even beating Villa our survival wasn't on.
It was the Sunderland match we really needed to win.
Think they'll walk the Championship if they can keep him. Quite interested to see what he'd do with the side.
If he stays, I hope he can get them back up.
He failed to beat three of his rivals in Norwich, Villa and Sunderland.
Not sure why people seem to think he did a great job. It was nothing special.
Also maybe he wasn't available to take over earlier. He got sacked in January and most likely wanted a few weeks off.
They need more than Rafa, however good he is. The Championship is a tough league to get out of because of the speed that games come and you need layers with a bit of graft in them. The better players who fancy a move will get picked off and they'll need a few championship hardened players. But it won't necessarily be plain sailing.
I know, I'm assuming he'll be allowed to get the players he wants though and he'll get them working hard for him.
The geordie love in with Rafa is unreal. He has improved them to be fair but the results came too little too late. I watched the highlights of the Villa game and they didn't look like they wanted it enough and lacked intensity - contrasting that to Sunderland who were right on their game against Chelsea and against Everton - they desperately wanted the win and after the Everton game the players they spoke to had nothing but praise for Allardyce. Rafa should have had Newcastle really fired up.
Some of the stuff I've seen on my Facebook feed from Newcastle fans is embarrassing - hanging it all round McClaren's neck (and Ashley - despite him putting up the cash) and painting Rafa as some kind of saint. There's something not right with the players, some good players in there but they just don't seem to want to bother.
He's never managed in that league and its a hell of a lot different the PL. He may not have the eye for those kind of players. He might do well to get someone in who has some experience in that league.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
New defence and they're good to go. Rafa will piss the Champs imo.
Kind of shocked it's a real possibility Rafa stays on in the Championship. Huh. That's a big drop in a short time from Real Madrid.
Why are you completely writing off the reality of the situation he came into - a completely demoralized shambles of a squad that had been fully McClaren'd - and the time it takes to first stop the rot and then get things going again? He did a fine job all things considered. He was simply appointed too late.
edit: Of those three results, only the Villa one is truly disappointing in that context. I have no idea how we failed to beat them after the effort and application shown in the prior 2-2 comeback draws against City/Liverpool. Perhaps there was just nothing left to give, I don't know.
Fine job? He couldn't beat his three nearest rivals. That's not good enough. He was brought in to keep them up with these games in mind.
Fine job is keeping them up. Stop making excuses for him.
Keeping us up would have been a miracle actually. No one expected it tbh even with someone miles better than McClaren at the helm. It's possible to do a fine job even if it didn't ultimately keep us up. That's what happened. It simply took too long to get things moving in the right direction - and once they did we looked alright, tbqh - but unless you can offer proof that he could have done it sooner, I don't know that there's any value to continuing a discussion. Demanding miracles day one is insane; and here I thought it was geordies who were supposed to have the unrealistic expectations.
If he had matched the results achieved by Sam Allardyce with inferior players at Sunderland in the same number of games, he would have kept ye up. That isn't expecting miracles, just expecting a much celebrated manager, with a much better squad, to perform as well as Fat Sam.
So what was the purpose of signing Benitez? You brought him in to keep you up. He didn't exactly go to Newcastle do he can manage in the championship.
Otherwise you'd promote one of the coaches at your club.
The results against Villa, Norwich and Sunderland got you relegated ultimately. You need to beat the teams around you to stand any chance.
Probably will be happier,in a club where there are no doubts about him every 2 weeks and able to control all the aspects in the organization
He won't control everything with Ashley around.
Well, he is really . He took the job on at a point when it was incredibly difficult to turn around and keep NUFC up, so his responsibility was to do the best he could in a very limited time - the fact he has not been sacked since shows the board had this expectation, and 40-50k fans at the weekend showed that the fans recognised this too. Anyone who watches NUFC would know that they improved massively over those last 10 games, despite the final league position, and that he's the best potential manager since Bobby Robson over a decade ago, despite his bin-dipper past.
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Nah, the huge number of consecutive losses since Winter/Spring of 2015 leading to an absolute lack of confidence was the most recent issue....not the last few games of the season. But the root cause is years of mismanagement by Ashley and the board that has undermined consecutive teams and managers on the pitch.
Benitez took over a team that in its last 10 games had scored 9, conceded 20 and amassed a grand total of 7 points. In the 10 games Benitez had he nearly double the points taken scored 16 and conceded just 12. Overall he averaged 1.3 Points per game which is actually slightly better than Allardyce's average since he took over at Sunderland, certainly a better return than Allardyce got in his first 10 and which would have seen Newcastle in 11th if projected over an entire season. The guy did a good job in turning the ship around, it just wasn't good enough to prevent relegation.
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The lads on the Football Ramble I think it was were talking about him staying, how this could be his chance to shape a club and team entirely in his own image. He could be worshiped on Tyneside, whereas he'd always just be 'just another name' at a club like Madrid or Inter.
Overweight and obnoxious?
I've heard a whisper from someone attached to the club that the signs are Benitez has convinced his family his future is at SJP.
It has looked pretty obvious for a few days now that he is staying put. All the stories emanating from any sources seem to indicate that he will stay.
Nothing is obvious at NUFC