I think the value of the squad compared to other Championship clubs is high, yes, and the wage bill must be astronomical compared to the reduced income they're getting; but in real terms they made a net £30M profit in the last transfer window.
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I think the value of the squad compared to other Championship clubs is high, yes, and the wage bill must be astronomical compared to the reduced income they're getting; but in real terms they made a net £30M profit in the last transfer window.
Oh no doubt about the fact that your club has been ridiculously mismanaged but I was just pointing out the fact that anything else than automatic promotion will be a colossal failure.
Just watched the highlights, they could have gotten 4 themselves in that first half alone, so even though it was the daftest way to win it, they probably deserved it on balance. I've friends from there that said the last time they were relegated was the best times they'd had in years there. Seems like it again. That noise when the fourth goal went in 
Yep. According to transfermarkt they've spend just shy of £55m. They HAVE to go up.
did anyone see Mitrovic try to kill Gayle after he scored the winner? Absolute nut jobThey've brought some players you wouldn't normally expect to join Championship clubs: Ritchie, Gayle and Diame could easily be at least squad players in top flight. Then again Newcastle are not a small club and it's probably better for all of them to spend a season in the lower division and then come back up with a team capable of finishing top half than go to a consistent bottom half finisher like West Brom or Sunderland and fight relegation in the same season.
Added benefit is they will get to play football a lot in Championship as teams will weaker and they won't have to sit back a lot. That could work wonders for them when they eventually go back up in terms of quality of football.
Added benefit is they will get to play football a lot in Championship as teams will weaker and they won't have to sit back a lot. That could work wonders for them when they eventually go back up in terms of quality of football.
That's the most impressive thing Mitrovic has done in a Newcastle shirt.
I agree. He's handled the rubbish that flogs like Mourinho have thrown his way over the years very well. He's also a better than most of the managers we see in the PL.
That's a second dig at Mourinho you've put in where there's no need for it. Seems like the trashing he has given to Arsenal over the years has scarred you badly.
He's better than Wenger. And by a long shot too.
Don't they also get a parachute payment this year from the PL as well? That should cover most of their costs.
If your able to get back up the next season relegation is not the worst thing that can happen to a club. It builds confidence and togetherness in the squad and the fans have a much more enjoyable time I would imagine.
Yeah. My guess (although I have no data to back this up) is that they have enough financial resources to cover this year, but a failure to win promotion would cause problems. Mike Ashley seems to love a gamble though, and if they don't win promotion, would probably put his hand in his own pocket in the form of another 'interest free loan'. I guess the biggest risk of non-promotion would be compliance with FFP rules in future years once the parachute payments stopped.
That's a second dig at Mourinho you've put in where there's no need for it. Seems like the trashing he has given to Arsenal over the years has scarred you badly.
I think it's probably more that Mourinho has been a bit of a twat towards Rafa, as he has been towards many others. I like Benitez, and I'm glad to see him doing well. He does remind me of Wenger in that his dedication and pursuit of his goals can sometimes rub people the wrong way but they're decent people who don't make unpleasantness a way of life. Unlike... well, you see where this is going.
Been to a few newcastle games one of my clients has a box, and rafa needs to learn from mistakes.
Yesterday they battered Norwich scored then allowed them back into the game.
They don't have the defence to do this, this meant Norwich built up a head of steam and went ahead.
Especially Newcastle fans who get on players backs at a drop of hat.
He needs to drop diame who is awful!
Seen 18 goals in 3 games so I'm not complaining
Yesterday they battered Norwich scored then allowed them back into the game.
They don't have the defence to do this, this meant Norwich built up a head of steam and went ahead.
Especially Newcastle fans who get on players backs at a drop of hat.
He needs to drop diame who is awful!
Seen 18 goals in 3 games so I'm not complaining
That's a second dig at Mourinho you've put in where there's no need for it. Seems like the trashing he has given to Arsenal over the years has scarred you badly.
I was fishing for sure but I can admit he has scarred me over the years.
Having said that what he said about Benitez an his wife was pathetic, and it was handled well by Benitez. Even the staunchest United fans can admit that.
That could be true but the cynic in me still thinks he's on a massive wage and it wouldn't really tempt him to join a team in another league in the first division that probably pays half as much.
It's not like his stock is high too. To me it just makes sense he would 'stay' with Newcastle, because there weren't many options 'above' Newcastle for him.
Do you really believe that? I think he's still one of the top managers around, and I think he could've walked into any number of top jobs this summer.
I think with the money available in the premier league now he can see an opportunity to take one of the best supported clubs in England back to the top.
Yeah I do. Out of interest, which jobs because when I start to think of them, I reckon they wouldn't offer the same wages/package, stability/amount of control that he would have at Newcastle.
I don't think he's a bad manager or doing it for the money, just I find it surprising people think Newcastle, this massive English club (with all the financial clout behind it) albeit in the 2nd tier is several levels below other top jobs out there atm. Imo he's certainly not doing it on an integrity/humble/loyalty thing and I'm not bashing him because of it; he's being professional whilst on/because he's (delete as appropriate) on a very good deal and project.
The 'project' definitely kept him around, although I won't lie - I'd like to imagine the fans had something to do with it as well.
But in the main I agree - absolutely nowhere else would he get the combination of (a) complete control over almost every aspect of the club at (b) a club of Newcastle's size. For someone as detail oriented and rigorous as he is that kind of freedom without meddling boards/chairmen/etc is priceless.
Ashley acquiescing to his demands - keeping Rafa's staff on after the drop, him being in control of basically everything, etc - was actually the shocking part. Maybe he's sick of the "Sports Direct Style of Football Club Ownership" experiment. Shame it took 10 years of mostly dross and 2 relegations to convince him of it.
I think we only disliked him because he managed that crew down the M62.
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He's made quite a few bad statements although looks he has controlled himself during the United reign so far.
I remember reading that extra payment is the reason why relegated teams have the best chance of going back up, they can reinvest quickly and heavily. Will go tits up pretty quick if they mess up though. Can leave them in financial ruin as the gap is massive.
Also, what's up with this sympathy for Benitez? He has derailed/been sacked by so many clubs over the years that no one wants to touch him, really.
Would love to see the likes of Newcastle, Villa, Leeds, Derby, Forest, Wolves all in the prem at the same time.
Even teams like Huddersfield and Preston - fallen giants if you like, would be good to see them in the top tier at some stage.
Even teams like Huddersfield and Preston - fallen giants if you like, would be good to see them in the top tier at some stage.
Forget Leeds.
Also, what's up with this sympathy for Benitez? He has derailed/been sacked by so many clubs over the years that no one wants to touch him, really.
Nobody is expressing sympathy for him - a lot of us are expressing a respect for the man.
Well, when a man been sacked by so many clubs for doing a below average job, what do you expect? He can either stick with a lesser club, or be jobless like Pellegrini and LvG. He chose to take the money instead. So there's that.
There are not too many managers in the world who have not been sacked from several clubs - Ferguson, Wenger - who else? Not too many managers are good enough to be selected to manage clubs such as Inter Milan, Chelsea and Real Madrid. If that is average then 99% of all managers in world football are average including Jose.
I don't know which tangent you are running towards, but my point was that he is earning millions while doing his job. And considering that no other club is willing to touch him, he has to be with Newcastle in the Championship. It's not as if he had other options for him and he chose to stick with Newcastle.
You think he had no other options? I'm fairly certain that would be complete nonsense. This is a man who had managed Real Madrid only a couple of years ago and you think he wouldnt have any other options than to manage a championship club?
He managed Real Madrid only last season and was driving them to the ground. He managed Inter Milan and drove them to the ground. In between, he tried to resurrect his career with Chelsea and Napoli, and other managers at Napoli have done better than him with almost the same squad.
When the likes of Hughes, Moyes, Pulis and Pardew are all managing in the Premier League, I am fairly sure Benitez could land a job above Championship level.
Bit harsh I think, especially with regards Real - he had a good win rate there, but was in a bit of an impossible situation with that club's politics. He'd walk into the majority of Prem jobs if they were available and could afford him, and let's be honest, the turnover of managers is consistent enough that he wouldn't be waiting that long to find employment.
My first laugh of the day. Hats off, sir.