[royboy16]

Sorry to hear he's injured,relieved we only got him on loan.

 

[Phil]

People need to just chill and let this play out a bit longer. Obviously we're impatient but I think the rewards will be worth it.

 

[charleysurf]

So basically, who is the bastard we should blame for rushing him back too early? Monaco?

Even so, the lack of transparency from United in this case is not excusable.

And why should United answer to your beck and call?

 

[Fergies Formula]

Does anyone know what injury he has and how long he is out for? Seems all a bit hush hush for my liking

 

[togg]

He'll probably get fit...then get injured again pretty quickly. I truly believe his best days are probably behind him, fitness wise. It was always going to be a risk signing...hence the loan. Still..doesn't he cost the club £1 million pounds a month?..Wow

 

[Adebesi]

And why should United answer to your beck and call?

Its not really about answering to Kakeru's beck and call, its about being transparent with the fans so we know what's going on. I wouldn't go so far as to describe it as inexcusable but it is certainly regrettable and extremely frustrating. It wouldnt be such an issue if we werent floundering on the pitch but it adds to the uncertainty fans are already feeling because we are nowhere where we need to be in the league.

 

[Adebesi]

He'll probably get fit...then get injured again pretty quickly. I truly believe his best days are probably behind him, fitness wise. It was always going to be a risk signing...hence the loan. Still..doesn't he cost the club £1 million pounds a month?..Wow

Are we committed to keeping him for the whole season if things done turn around? If his injury problems persist can we send him back and stop paying his wages? Im not sure of the legal situation around the loan.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It really is staggering how quickly opinions on here have changed on this dude.

Looking at the Depay thread people are saying they'd prefer him to Falcao and the last few pages of this thread (and stories in the press) have been mainly around how we probably shouldn't commit to a permanent deal, how we're lucky it's only a loan and stuff like that.

Compare and contrast with the beginning of the season, when the general tone was borderline hysteria. I was a lot less excited myself (because I was busy throwing a strop about Welbeck) but I would say a good 3 out of every 5 posts was along the lines of "OMFG!! We signed Falcao!! I don't believe it!!" 3/5 might be an underestimation too. Check out the first few pages of this thread, if you don't believe me...

Granted he hasn't exactly set the league on fire but even great players should be allowed a few games to settle into a new league/team. Look at Suarez or Neymar in their opening fixtures for Barca, for example. When said footballer is still his his first few months back from a big operation, that applies even more so. And we all knew about the ACL op when we signed him.

Yes, he has a new injury but footballers get injured. None of us have any idea whether this injury has anything to do with his surgery, or how serious it is. We don't even know if it's the same leg!

Football fans are extraordinarily fickle, they really are.

 

[Adebesi]

Its hardly surprising when the club isnt releasing any information about what is actually going on. All we know is he had an injury that kept him our for the best part of a year, he was apparently rushed back - certainly came back quicker than others have with similar injuries (Walcott) and when he has played he hasnt been the lethal presence we were all quite expecting. The guy is no spring chicken either.

Yes, football fans are fickle. But no matter who you are talking about, in the absence of information you get speculation, which ends up morphing into fear and worst case scenarios. It is hardly a good mix.

I dont think there is anything wrong with starting to think about the possibility that this whole thing is going to go south. Of course there remains a very good chance that it wont. Luckily we are all just muppets posting on the internet and what we say wont affect the outcome either way.

 

[Dion]

It really is staggering how quickly opinions on here have changed on this dude.

Looking at the Depay thread people are saying they'd prefer him to Falcao and the last few pages of this thread (and stories in the press) have been mainly around how we probably shouldn't commit to a permanent deal, how we're lucky it's only a loan and stuff like that.

Compare and contrast with the beginning of the season, when the general tone was borderline hysteria. I was a lot less excited myself (because I was busy throwing a strop about Welbeck) but I would say a good 3 out of every 5 posts was along the lines of "OMFG!! We signed Falcao!! I don't believe it!!" 3/5 might be an underestimation too. Check out the first few pages of this thread, if you don't believe me...

Granted he hasn't exactly set the league on fire but even great players should be allowed a few games to settle into a new league/team. Look at Suarez or Neymar in their opening fixtures for Barca, for example. When said footballer is still his his first few months back from a big operation, that applies even more so. And we all knew about the ACL op when we signed him.

Yes, he has a new injury but footballers get injured. None of us have any idea whether this injury has anything to do with his surgery, or how serious it is. We don't even know if it's the same leg!

Football fans are extraordinarily fickle, they really are.

It stunk of Shevchenko's move to Chelsea at the start, his early performances have been the same as Shevchenko's and at the end of the season he'll have a goal tally similar to Shevchenko's first season at Chelsea.

 

[Adebesi]

If Welbeck was here I reckon we'd be top of the league.

 

[MDFC Manager]

If Welbeck was here I reckon we'd be top of the league.

Of course. I recon he'd be the leading goalscorer too.

 

[Adebesi]

Carlsberg dont do football strikers. But if they did, theyd probably be Danny Welbeck.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Its hardly surprising when the club isnt releasing any information about what is actually going on. All we know is he had an injury that kept him our for the best part of a year, he was apparently rushed back - certainly came back quicker than others have with similar injuries (Walcott) and when he has played he hasnt been the lethal presence we were all quite expecting. The guy is no spring chicken either.

Yes, football fans are fickle. But no matter who you are talking about, in the absence of information you get speculation, which ends up morphing into fear and worst case scenarios. It is hardly a good mix.

I dont think there is anything wrong with starting to think about the possibility that this whole thing is going to go south. Of course there remains a very good chance that it wont. Luckily we are all just muppets posting on the internet and what we say wont affect the outcome either way.

We knew all the stuff in bold when we signed him. Which didn't stop the wall to wall giddiness at the time.

Yes he hasn't hit the ground running in terms of his performances on the pitch but he's already created two goals, scored one, came the width of the bar away from scoring another absolute peach. In just 4 appearances for the club. With all the provisos about a new team/new league etc. that's not bad at all. He's also been lethal for Colombia, by all accounts.

He's certainly not looking like a Shevchenko style flop. I would say we've definitely looked a lot more dangerous with him on the pitch than we have without him. Which can only reflect well on his contribution.

I dunno, just seems like far too much is being read into very little information. Not trying to sneer at anyone here, just find it strange/interesting how quickly the consensus has gone from joy to despair.

 

[kopviolator]

Of course. I recon he'd be the leading goalscorer too.

Well, he'd at least have scored more than Falcao

 

[LonelyFire]

We knew all the stuff in bold when we signed him. Which didn't stop the wall to wall giddiness at the time.

Yes he hasn't hit the ground running in terms of his performances on the pitch but he's already created two goals, scored one, came the width of the bar away from scoring another absolute peach. All in just 4 appearances. He's certainly not looking like a Shevchenko style flop. I would say we've definitely looked a lot more dangerous with him on the pitch than we have without him on the pitch. Which can only reflect well on his contribution.

I dunno, just seems like far too much is being read into very little information. Not trying to sneer at anyone here, just find it strange/interesting how quickly the consensus has gone from joy to despair.

Absolutely spot on. Some of the reporting from so called pundits on him has been exceptionally poor. "Oh, he's only scored one so he's clearly been shite" thinking. Beggars belief.

Falcao has looked very good in the 5 games he has played. His movement is phenomenal and he will get goals for us.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Whether of not you think we should have made more of an effort to hold onto Welbeck has no bearing on whether or not you think Falcao will be a flop at United. That should go without saying.

 

[Dunk]

I remember I got laughed at for saying that in PICTURES of United's training sessons, Falcao looks like he's running gingerly. Sadly, I was fecking right, as usual. This guy's career here does not look promising.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Well, he'd at least have scored more than Falcao

Not necessarily. He's scored 1 more goal than Falcao (and one less assist), playing in nearly twice as many games. In his preferred position as well.

 

[iBoss]

I remember I got laughed at for saying that in PICTURES of United's training sessons, Falcao looks like he's running gingerly. Sadly, I was fecking right, as usual. This guy's career here does not look promising.

Alright mate.

 

[2 man midfield]

I'm not concerned with his form at all. My only concern is getting him fit. The problem is, the longer he's out the more people speculate and make things up.

 

[Dion]

He's certainly not looking like a Shevchenko style flop.

That's exactly what he looks like. Shevchenko did exactly the same thing when he arrived at Chelsea, oozed class on the ball and was great off it, gets an early goal or two but it never quite comes together for them like it used to and the goals don't come at the rate everyone expects. Their confidence drops and the class on the ball starts to leave them then it all goes to shit. Sometimes you get a bit of a second wind in the following season especially if there is no international tournaments but it never ends up being more than that.

 

[Adebesi]

We knew all the stuff in bold when we signed him. Which didn't stop the wall to wall giddiness at the time.

Yes he hasn't hit the ground running in terms of his performances on the pitch but he's already scored, created a couple. He's certainly not looking like a Shevchenko style flop. I would say we've definitely looked a lot more dangerous with him on the pitch than we have without him on the pitch. Which can only reflect well on his contribution.

I dunno, just seems like far too much is being read into very little information. Not trying to sneer at anyone here, just find it strange/interesting how quickly the consensus has gone from joy to despair.

Id say its moderately interesting and not particularly strange, given the universal truth of your original observation: football fans are a fickle bunch. But I can only repeat what I said before really. You say far too much is being read into very little information. I say people will come up with theories about what is going on whether they have information or not. If we actually had some information then maybe people would be calmer. Like you said, it could be the other leg. If it was, and the club came out and said it, people wouldnt have to speculate.

A vacuum of information is a very dangerous thing, especially for people as emotionally charged as football fans.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That's exactly what he looks like. Shevchenko did exactly the same thing when he arrived at Chelsea, oozed class on the ball and was great off it, gets an early goal or two but it never quite comes together for them like it used to and the goals don't come at the rate everyone expects. Their confidence drops and the class on the ball starts to leave them then it all goes to shit. Sometimes you get a bit of a second wind in the following season especially if there is no international tournaments but it never ends up being more than that.

All that stuff in bold is just you talking about Shevchenko's career. Falcao hasn't yet done any of that, so no idea how you can say his career at United is looking exactly like Shevchenko's already.

Other than the stuff which isn't in bold but all of that would generally augur well for the future and applies to almost every great signing too!

 

[Adebesi]

Whether of not you think we should have made more of an effort to hold onto Welbeck has no bearing on whether or not you think Falcao will be a flop at United. That should go without saying.

Really? Im trying to get my head around this. Surely the belief Falcao was going to be an undroppable goal-scoring galactico for us was precisely the justification for letting Welbeck go? Conversely, if you considered him high risk, someone who may well not actually play very much, and taking into account RVP's own injury record, surely that would be a very good reason to keep a striker at the club?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Id say its moderately interesting and not particularly strange, given the universal truth of your original observation: football fans are a fickle bunch. But I can only repeat what I said before really. You say far too much is being read into very little information. I say people will come up with theories about what is going on whether they have information or not. If we actually had some information then maybe people would be calmer. Like you said, it could be the other leg. If it was, and the club came out and said it, people wouldnt have to speculate.

A vacuum of information is a very dangerous thing, especially for people as emotionally charged as football fans.

We're on the same page, so.

Just trying to take a step back from all the emotionally charged stuff and give a bit of perspective. Us football fans needs that sometimes!

 

[Adebesi]

I presume what you are saying is that Van Gaal let Welbeck go because he didnt rate him, and it was nothing to do with how many opportunities he would have.

He'd better hope Van Persie stays fit or that decision will look very negligent.

 

[Trizy]

I think the worst thing for Falcao is the fact that he's only back from a massive injury AND we're having our worst luck ever with injuries so of course people are going to get frustrated even if his newest injury is not even on the same limb as his knee injury.

I myself am not concerned about his ability, he's not your typical striker that just gets goals and needs form for it, he's actually a brilliant all rounded player and has showed glimpses of that but keeps getting injured before he can start scoring!

I'm against the signing at the end of the summer unless things change rapidly in the fitness department, we've too many crocks at the club. I still have faith however, he can truly be one of the best strikers this league has seen.

 

[Dion]

All that stuff in bold is just you talking about Shevchenko's career. Falcao hasn't yet done any of that, so no idea how you can say his career at United is looking exactly like Shevchenko's.

Other than the stuff which isn't in bold but all of that would generally augur well for the future and applies to almost every great signing too!

You know how an hypothesis works. You state your evidence and what you believe your interpretation is then you state what will happen if your analysis is correct. I'm saying Falcao's career at United will look like Shevchenko's based on what we've already seen not what I think will happen but then you already know that so it was a bit of a strange remark to make.

It doesn't apply for great signings though, when has signing a 28 year old forward that gets off to a slow start ever turned out being a great signing? You don't sign world class strikers at that age to be slow starters, they either pick up where they left off ala RvP or RvN at Madrid or they just never get going like Shevchenko and Henry.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Really? Im trying to get my head around this. Surely the belief Falcao was going to be an undroppable goal-scoring galactico for us was precisely the justification for letting Welbeck go? Conversely, if you considered him high risk, someone who may well not actually play very much, and taking into account RVP's own injury record, surely that would be a very good reason to keep a striker at the club?

My personal preference would have been to keep Welbeck and ditch RvP. I figured Falcao was younger and better than his Dutch counterpart, who I thought was already over the hill based on last season's peformances. I was only left a bit cold by Falcao's arrival because of a general grumpiness about Welbeck leaving and worries about us going all Van Gaalactico while overlooking homegrown talent (worries that have been eased with the likes of Wilson and McNair getting games).

 

[kopviolator]

Not necessarily. He's scored 1 more goal than Falcao (and one less assist), playing in nearly twice as many games. In his preferred position as well.

That can't be true, can it? He's scored a handful of goals for them hasn't he? That was the impression I had but admit I can't be arsed to check.

 

[Dion]

So Suarez isn't going to be a good signing for Barcelona then? He's 28 in a few months.

Suarez is a year younger than Falcao and given the "interesting" circumstances around Suarez's start at Barcelona I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

If I had to stick my neck out I'd say he'd go the way of David Villa and Ibrahimovic though simply because Barcelona don't need him with Messi, not because he's had a slow start, as I think he's not a great example of what I'm talking about.

 

[Phil Duck]

He will be a success at Manchester United, it's ok to start slowly with him.

 

[MDFC Manager]

That can't be true, can it? He's scored a handful of goals for them hasn't he? That was the impression I had but admit I can't be arsed to check.

I only considered league games. I think its only fair to do this comparison that way.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You know how an hypothesis works. You state your evidence and what you believe your interpretation is then you state what will happen if your analysis is correct. I'm saying Falcao's career at United will look like Shevchenko's based on what we've already seen not what I think will happen but then you already know that so it was a bit of a strange remark to make.

Ok, so you're predicting that his career will mirror Shevchenko's. Fair enough. You seem to be basing that they both had a decent start "oozed class on the ball and was great off it, gets an early goal or two" which is a strange basis to predict a future flop.

It doesn't apply for great signings though, when has signing a 28 year old forward that gets off to a slow start ever turned out being a great signing? You don't sign world class strikers at that age to be slow starters, they either pick up where they left off ala RvP or RvN at Madrid or they just never get going like Shevchenko and Henry.

See above. I thought we're agreeing that Falcao hasn't got off to a slow start? He's actually been decent enough, as was Shevchenko.

In answer to your question, Luis Suarez is 27 and has had a slow start at Barca. I suspect he will still turn out to be a great signing.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Suarez is a year younger than Falcao and given the "interesting" circumstances around Suarez's start at Barcelona I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

If I had to stick my neck out I'd say he'd go the way of David Villa and Ibrahimovic though simply because Barcelona don't need him with Messi, not because he's had a slow start, as I think he's not a great example of what I'm talking about.

Good stuff. An example of a player Falcao's age or older who didn't have to score a goal a game in his first few fixtures at a new club in order to end up a major success (talking about his stint at Milan and PSG, obviously).

 

[Adebesi]

@Pogue Mahone You wanted to ditch RVP? After one season blighted by injuries where he regardless still managed a pretty decent haul of goals?

You fickle football fan.

I agree with what you were saying a couple of days ago though, Welbeck would have suited us really well in those tight games against City and Chelsea.

Personally Id have kept them all around. Sure someone might have ended up frustrated on the bench but that isnt my primary concern.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

@Pogue Mahone You wanted to ditch RVP? After one season blighted by injuries where he regardless still managed a pretty decent haul of goals?

You fickle football fan.

I agree with what you were saying a couple of days ago though, Welbeck would have suited us really well in those tight games against City and Chelsea.

Personally Id have kept them all around. Sure someone might have ended up frustrated on the bench but that isnt my primary concern.

If it was one in, one out (and that was the rational for getting rid of Welbeck) yes I would have ditched RvP. I would also argue that an opinion formed over an entire season (and a WC tournament in which I was really unimpressed by his overall form) isn't particularly fickle. If we could have held onto all of them, sure, I'd be ok with that. Like you, I'm not too fussed about people getting frustrated on the bench. The more competition for places the better IMO. Makes us a stronger team. Of course, I can understand why a manager might consider that an unnecesary headache.

Mind you, I think the fact we've got three superstar strikers is inherently problematic. As our manager seemed intent on trialling weird formations to give them all a game. Which does seem to endorse the idea that two superstars and two "up and comers" would have given us a better balance.

 

[ZDwyr]

I'm not concerned with his form at all. My only concern is getting him fit. The problem is, the longer he's out the more people speculate and make things up.

I'm the same. His performances seemed okay, so I am not knocking them at all. It's his fitness that is the big issue. It'd be a huge shame if he has wrecked his career by trying to return early from the ACL injury

 

[JUPITER]

@Pogue Mahone You wanted to ditch RVP? After one season blighted by injuries where he regardless still managed a pretty decent haul of goals?

You fickle football fan.

I agree with what you were saying a couple of days ago though, Welbeck would have suited us really well in those tight games against City and Chelsea.

Personally Id have kept them all around. Sure someone might have ended up frustrated on the bench but that isnt my primary concern.

Welbeck wanted the move. Before Van Gaal turned up he was pushing for a move.

Football players are also just so fickle, they really are.