Because Welbeck is a tired and proven failure. Among the mediocre bunch with Clev.
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Because Welbeck is a tired and proven failure. Among the mediocre bunch with Clev.
feck no. But then my answer was the same prior to him playing and since I've seen him play.
Would swap him for RVP, but for the money not very much different striker which is what we need I would not take him and I like him and his character. Shame WIlson is not ready yet but it may turn around as we actually start to play some football.
different striker like Lacazette maybe? People start to lose their mind when there is a player with big name. Things change quickly. Almost 30yo Falcao for 40m after horrible injury or Lacazette for around 30 with the age and potential and already great goal record. And there are obviously other strikers around the world who are on the verge of becoming top players
different striker like Lacazette maybe? People start to lose their mind when there is a player with big name. Things change quickly. Almost 30yo Falcao for 40m after horrible injury or Lacazette for around 30 with the age and potential and already great goal record. And there are obviously other strikers around the world who are on the verge of becoming top players
It's not. So why entertain bs stories like this.
Thou shall not speak ill of Sir Danny Welbeck, goalscoring phenom.
Perfect description.I'd be gutted if he left because I think he he had the service which strikers need to score goals he would be hitting them in. RVP was even getting frustrated by the lack of service today!!!!!!!
Oh please, Cleverley I can understand but Welbeck has been in good form for Arsenal, hardly a failure.
Good God no. Based on what we've seen at United, I'd be annoyed if we coughed up £10 mil, never mind 30+
Rooney has more goals from midfield and RVP does not look he's about to fall over everytime someone touches him.
Let's stop with bs about not creating chances. I know we're not the most creative of teams but he's had chances, chances that someone like Welbeck would have been crucified for missing.
Not a failure but not a big hit either as some predicted.
I don't think we have seen anything from Falcao yet. When this guy finds his form and the other players learn how to give him the right balls, he will fire yet again.
Hopefully he starts the next match.
Hopefully he starts the next match.
Eh? Didn't Falcao play 90 mins of every game over Xmas / New Year? I assume that yesterday was just a much needed rest.
Nope, tactical reasons.
Tactical reasons could mean much needed rest you know.
It could, but it didn't this time.
Ok Mr. Gaal.
A rest? Didn't he only play half the Yeovil game a week ago? He made way for AdM and LvG's love for defenders saw him lose his bench place.
I'm desperate for him to succeed here, more so than any player since Veron. I don't think we'll buy him not for the money touted anyway.
Google it FFS, it came out if his mouth?
I could very well have been that LvG meant that Falcao needed the rest. After his injury situation, it might be smart to not drive him to hard. I also hope he becomes a part of United, but sees that it might not going to happen.
The 43m is not a big deal(thats why we willing to pay it), the issue is that wage packet. It would be near impossible to offload him if things went tits up(if they havent already). Even with the little we've seen,considering his pedigree I would pay the 43m if he had say a 150k wage packet. Its near twice that though and that for me makes it unworthy of taking the risk.
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Why play him against Yeovil, or in every game over the Christmas period. He was dropped in favour of Wilson, not a good sign for him.
Could be because he saw great form on the training ground and wanted to give him games as long as he was showing good health and no fatigue. Maybe he though or did see that Falcao was in need of a rest. I am not sure, but I really don't think that a great manager like LvG drops Falcao in a match that he could have been the difference over bullshit.
I don't think he's worth the money from what we've seen thus far. Rooney, RVP and Falcao are not fast players and they aren't young either. We have zero pace in this team apart from ADM. Wilson isn't ready yet, so I'd prefer we looked elsewhere for a centre forward for next year, especially for £40m or whatever the price is.
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal said the decision to drop striker Radamel Falcao from the squad for the defeat by Southampton was tactical.
Falcao, who had started the previous five matches, watched the 1-0 Premier League loss from the stands.
The £265,000-a-week Colombia international joined United on loan from Monaco in the summer, just a year after his £50m move to the French side.
"You have to look at the needs of your selection at the time," said Van Gaal.
"We have a lot of players who are coming back and (Falcao) has played the last five matches in a row."
The 63-year-old Dutchman added that Falcao, who has scored just three times since joining United in September, was left out so cover could be provided for other players.
If it was tactical ,then he failed big time.
Clueless if true. Should be in over Wilson, it's one of the stupidest decisions I have ever heard.
If he spent more time on working out how we could create more opportunities, over who should be on the bench, I think we would stand a chance.
I'm not sure if I hope it was a purely tactical decision so I know Falcao could be back next week or hope it was due to a bust up so I know Van Gaal isn't an absolute moron. It was a baffling decision when you consider there were 3 centre backs on the bench.
Is this a template for a standard after match post in the Falcao thread?
To be fair LvG said he did it because he didn't need any cover for strikers (although ironically he really did) but did need it for other areas. However I think he took Wilson with him, so could have been a bit of both.
Pretty much.
Thing is, before he was not getting the opportunities so fair enough, who can show their real ability in 10 minute cameos?
Now though, he's had a bit of a run and the manager has seen him play whole matches. So it is less valid now.
Still think he should have been on the bench at least, he hasn't been awful
Exactly. Let's not forget the lad has been injured for a considerable amount of time AND is only playing in his first season in English football. Add to that he is playing for a team with many new changes, a new manager, and coming off the back of its worst season in over 20 years. There is no consistency in the starting 11 due to the squad being constantly hit with injuries and there are 6 new players in the squad also trying to get used to everything. Then on top of that the defence lost its main 3 starters in Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra so is having to adjust to that too. Oh and they are also playing a new formation that quite clearly doesn't fit with some of the players. Falcao himself is also having to get used to new players around him all the time with Rooney switched to midfield and Mata being there one week and not the next. It's no surprise there is little consistency in the team or any of the players.
How anyone can expect Falcao to come in and play at his best with all that to contend with is beyond me. I think he has shown some decent attributes and has looked like he is getting better each game apart from the Yeovil game where nobody was very good. I think his reputation/wages and potential price tag may be clouding some peoples judgement and putting unfair expectations on him. I agree he has to start performing soon, but it's too early to be damning him or completely writing him off. Not just yet anyway.
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I have to say - when I saw he was left out altogether, I immediately though "well he's injured" and then realised I wasn't really bothered at a by his absence from the squad.
And the same after the game?
The 2 guilt edged chances we had were purely Mata gambling and showing good movement to find himself in spacious positions where the ball may fall. That is Falcaos forte, playing on the last man; being in the right position; fighting for scraps etc.
We can spend forever saying we didn't create enough chances, but maybe they would have been chances had someone been in those positions. We've seen it in multiple games this season where we've struggled to create - but against Stoke, Villa and Everton his perseverance in gambling has got him and us a goal despite a real lack of creativity.
I rate Van Persie a lot but in some games his ball to feet, back to goal play is just too casual and for me, easy to defend against. Sometimes you just need someone who will do anything
for a goal, a Falcao, or even a Hernandez.
We showed Van Persie tremendous faith to pull him out of a slump of form. And he wasn't returning from such a huge injury, at a new club, in a new league. I understand we don't want to be seen as a rehab centre but for people to write him off when he's had less of a chance and in more difficult circumstances seems somewhat strange to me.
The Falcao we've been watching this season would have missed those chances too. Lost track of the amount of great crosses (usually from Young) he hasn't been able to get on the end of.
Until Spurs he had scored or assisted in every league start for us this season mind. I'd rather someone getting on the end of them than no one at all. My point isn't that I want him on those chances instead of Mata as such, but that perhaps more of those chances would have existed. Whether one goes in - who knows, but you'd rather the opportunities than nothing at all, right? Maybe they lead to other corners, or an increased sense of pressure on Southampton and a more galvanizing hope to United.
Even when he wasn't getting on Youngs crosses, he was in the area and making a nuisance, no? And it's perceivable that he will get onto them with more time. You look at the games without Falcao and Van Persie as a front man - and see crosses galore with no one even making an attempt (West Brom for example).
It's not even necessarily Falcao I'm after. It's a player of that ilk who will do these things, something I don't expect from Van Persie or Wilson. Hernandez would have sufficed.
I'm actually not that far away from you with my opinion. RvP has been abject all season, then threatened to hit some form towards the end of last month but has been very poor again in his last few appearances. I thought he was crap yesterday. Depresses me how many clubs have much more dynamic and effective strikers than we do. Falcao hasn't been great either but might well have been better.
For sure. And I hate saying this because it's past, but he's shoehorning Di Maria to striker as a player who can carry the ball forward, break quickly, run behind etc. and he constantly brings on Wilson for this very reason and yet we lost a player better than both at it in Welbeck. Then you consider a lack of real urgency in the box and we've got Hernandez on loan. Which is one place I have frustration with Van Gaal - because he used pedigree and goal records in these discussions, but then doesn't play Falcao and Rooney deeper because it's all about 'the selection' and not the individual brilliance of any player which seems hypocritical.
Our front line looks so one dimensional, especially with Rooney playing deep. There's just a real lack of options and play styles. But to have a player not in the squad who has made the difference for us in 3 games this season against teams we struggled to create against seems ridiculous, particularly considering Southampton's current status as best defense in the league, both before and in hindsight. The only real excuse for it for me was if it was an attempt at a galvanizing statement to Falcao - but if it was purely a 'selection' decision then there's really no excuses for it.
Also, I need to stop editing my posts multiple times after replying. My bad.
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