If he is indeed already bought then I really hope he comes and shows us his true ability because things will only get difficult for him.
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Not really. They're all injured at the moment. Rooney is essentially filling in AdM's position as the box-to-box/carrying midfielder.
Once he's back I expect Rooney to go back up front and then rotation between Falcao and RvP. Both are out of real form (for different reasons), hopefully one of them can start picking up goals soon. I think they were as bad as each other against Spurs (with regard to mucking up chances) for what it's worth.
Yes but RVP seems to be getting himself in good positions and is making good runs consistently, I think if we left him on against Villa he would have scored because he was getting himself into the positions you want.
Although I agree Falcao needs to earn his place I do think Louis van Gaal will drop Juan Mata when ADM is fit and play Rooney as the 10.
He averages 1.8 shot per game for United, which is half of what he averaged for Atletico.
Someone like Aguero who is being praised as the most clinical striker about these days averages 5 shots per game - and one goal per game. So roughly 20% conversion rate which is what Messi also has. Costa averages 25%.
Ronaldo conversion rate is 28%. Lewandowski converts 14% of his shots, Bale roughly the same.
RVP scores 16% of his shots, Rooney 20% and Falcao converts 13% of the chances. Some interesting comparisons - all statistics are from the league only and like always statistics don't paint the full picture.
RVP has scored 5 out of his 8 goals and 2 of his 2 assists the last month. Previous to that he scored 3 goals in 11 games and provided no assists. The team scored 20 goals in that period though.
It took RVP 3 months of consistent game time to finally start delivering so hopefully we will give Falcao 3 months of starting every week before we expect miracles.
RVP had no real reason to not be firing on all cylinders except the WC, Falcao was injured last January - half a year of no football at all which was followed by injury issues this season.
He has not played consistent football for 11 months, yet in his third consecutive start people complain about him not being in form.
Someone like Aguero who is being praised as the most clinical striker about these days averages 5 shots per game - and one goal per game. So roughly 20% conversion rate which is what Messi also has. Costa averages 25%.
Ronaldo conversion rate is 28%. Lewandowski converts 14% of his shots, Bale roughly the same.
RVP scores 16% of his shots, Rooney 20% and Falcao converts 13% of the chances. Some interesting comparisons - all statistics are from the league only and like always statistics don't paint the full picture.
RVP has scored 5 out of his 8 goals and 2 of his 2 assists the last month. Previous to that he scored 3 goals in 11 games and provided no assists. The team scored 20 goals in that period though.
It took RVP 3 months of consistent game time to finally start delivering so hopefully we will give Falcao 3 months of starting every week before we expect miracles.
RVP had no real reason to not be firing on all cylinders except the WC, Falcao was injured last January - half a year of no football at all which was followed by injury issues this season.
He has not played consistent football for 11 months, yet in his third consecutive start people complain about him not being in form.
Be a shame if Mata gets dropped. He's been playing really well whereas before his injury Di Maria's form was a bit patchy. I'd let Falcao play his way into top form.
Leave this thread, sense is not allowed in here.
Great post - it beggars belief the ridiculous expectations of some. Most players don't even adapt to a league properly when fully fit for at least a year, much less one who hasn't played for half a year and was recovering from serious injury. The only issue is the price tag and given the kind of value Utd has as a club that isn't rally an issue if we want to keep him.
In truth his form has been quite good, including in the Spurs game (first half anyway)
He is very rusty and a bit too anxious which he showed against Spurs. I feel he will need at least 8 full games with us before he will gather form, fitness and consistency although I would not start him against Stoke. They are very physical and he took a bit of a pasting v Spurs who are not really known for a being a physical team.
If we can get him back to 90% of what he was pre injury we will still have one of the best forwards on the planet. Its all about the money of course but you can see Falcao is determined to prove himself as he already seems to love the club and really wants to stay and despite being pretty poor last game he still showed he is 100% committed by never shirking any challenges or stopped showing for the ball.
If we can get him back to 90% of what he was pre injury we will still have one of the best forwards on the planet. Its all about the money of course but you can see Falcao is determined to prove himself as he already seems to love the club and really wants to stay and despite being pretty poor last game he still showed he is 100% committed by never shirking any challenges or stopped showing for the ball.
Me too and it might happen but Louis van Gaal won't be planning short term therefore he might want to try and get Rooney used to that 10 position, if he is playing the diamond or 3-5-2 as the long term vision then I think the 10 needs more defensive qualities since there are two strikers ahead and so he operates as the fourth midfield and thus must support the other three, Mata is much better as a 10 behind one striker I think because he can have less defensive duties.
I also like the idea of Herrera as a 10, Carrick, di Maria, Strootman like player and then Herrera ahead of them.
We will see what happens, Mata has been excellent at home but his goals and assists away from home have been very poor I think, not sure the reason for this.
How dare you be so sensible.....!!!!
He is only getting back to full fitness so I don't really understand all the critisism. Falcao at his best is the best striker in the world. I am all for playing him as much as possible to try and get that quality of player back. He won't get there by sitting on the bench.
So this is how girls feels when they post a picture of their yoga-pants from their "gym session" on facebook. New years resolution - get yoga pants.
I think people are/were expecting too much too quickly from Falcao, patience has been lost in the modern game with fans wanting instant results in both success and performances on and off the pitch. Any player that doesn’t produce it is either to old, not good enough, past it or they will find some other stick to beat them with until they have been proven right. That’s not a criticism of anyone on here, it’s just a sad part of the modern game that has crept in over the past decade or so, social media, bad journalism and poor punditry and has only added to the frustration.
I have no doubt that Falcao will show his true self very soon, I’d even argue that we have looked a lot better in attack when he has played, further he will be more comfortable when players like Di Maria, Herrera and Blind get back into the side, he also has to get a working partnership with the team, that will take time and patience.
Too many people without medical degrees diagnosing Falcao's recovery from major surgery by watching games on TV.
He had a poor game 48 hours after having a good game. Unless he drank a get-terrible potion I'll chalk this one to fatigue. How about we give him a month or two in the first XI before writing him off as a bust?
He had a poor game 48 hours after having a good game. Unless he drank a get-terrible potion I'll chalk this one to fatigue. How about we give him a month or two in the first XI before writing him off as a bust?
It is crazy to think that Colombia were rushing him for the world cup.
How close did he get?
He was nowhere near ready to play at the World Cup. He took most of the summer to do his rehab and took part to some preseason matches with Monaco.
Crazy
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To be honest, i don't think that the colombian team tried to rush him, he wanted to be at the world cup, and tried to be ready for it, now he also planned the thing intelligently, he began training as soon as he could but didn't put to much charge on his knee, he wanted a long recovery instead of a short and intense one.
And he didn't tried to accelerate when the world cup was close, he just forfeited.
That's all good and dandy, however this is professional football.
If he is not ready, if he needs games, then he should play with the reserves.
If we had Herrera back, it would make more sense to play Rooney and Van Persie up front.
He also seems like an intelligent guy but I have no basis for this other than the way he comes across in interviews. That combined with discipline is important, it means he will do everything to maximise performance, things like managing his diet and rehab in accordance to the advice he has received from the specialists.
This is all it boils down to really. He was brilliant against Newcastle, it was always going to be a big ask to expect him to perform at the same level 2 days later after just coming back.
All for this give him time business, but it must be tempered against realising we are 5months into the season now, so it's not early days anymore.
But for me, if the club have shown they're now willing to smash massive fees on world stars, then you have to question why it has to be on Falcao, presuming he doesn't have a goal storming second half to the season
But for me, if the club have shown they're now willing to smash massive fees on world stars, then you have to question why it has to be on Falcao, presuming he doesn't have a goal storming second half to the season
Rumors are that he's 2 yrs older than his stated age. Could be bullshit, could be true.
Them rumours are nothing new, they've been around a few years.
Hes only just getting match fit. Give him time
He was good against Villa and excellent agaisnt Newcastle, people need to stop overreacting. He faded in the second half against Spurs but its not surprising in his circumstance, not to mention half the team were anonymous in the second half.
Exactly . Some expect too much too soon.
Cue the silly comments about how he costs 50m and get's paid 270k a week so should be scoring hat tricks, taking on 6 defenders and nutmegging players every game instantly.
This thread is hilarious.
I think we've signed him already and it's just about making the numbers work. I'm amazed about some of the comments on here. He could have arrived 100% fit and still struggled. We all know that it takes time for some players to adjust to this country and this league. Not to mention the team with a new manager and players. Let's give him and the new players some benefit of time. If we are patient, we might have one of the best 3 strikers in the world at the club.....he's that good.
I like him and want him to succeed but I think posters on here overrate his goal scoring ability, he will need to continue assisting as he has done to justify that price tag. Posters on here talk about him regaining Athletico Madrid form so if he did that he would score about 70 goals in 91 games which is a fantastic record but how many of those were penalties?
I'm not sure where to find these stats but I read an article that stated he scored in 2012 - 13 for Madrid in the league 28 goals in 34 games however 8 of those were penalties so if he weren't taking penalties here then that would equate to 20 goals in 34 games putting him at the level of Negredo and Soldado in terms of non-penalty goals scored.
It could be a load of bull I don't know, it's here though:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nchester-united-is-taking-a-risk-with-falcao/
So this is Non-Penalty Goals per 90 minutes and Penalty Goals per 90:
This is a combined chart for the two seasons he was at Athletico Madrid showing how he ranked in terms of contribution from goals and assists:
Essentially he is a fantastic player who will surely contribute plenty but probably not worth the investment since we already have enough number 9s and 10s, we could just play 1 up top if needed and we would probably be better off signing a Robben type player, somebody who will be a winger in a 4-3-3 but could still play as a 9 in the diamond but will drift to the flank and run at players, I quite like the two up top but with a Robben type winger who can play through the middle as a RF but drifts to the right flank and then Angel di Maria as a LCM but drifts to the left flank.
Honestly, I don't think he'd be a worthy investment as well given his ridiculous price tag. But if the reports are true and that we have already signed him, I think he'd still be fantastic addition. He's an honest and hardworking professional, and his personality fits the club. You don't have to look at the stats to know that Falcao is a vastly superior player to Soldado and Negredo, both who were found out in the PL. This is a man with a proven European pedigree, he tore up the Europa league for two consecutive seasons, put 4 goals past Chelsea and have professionals from all over the world raving about his ability.
Right now he going through a major bump in his career, and I believe that if we keep the faith in him, we would be rewarded tremendously
Nobody is saying this
Just read @Brwned post again and it sums the issue up very well
The transfer was very strange to begin with, I think some are just blinded by the glitz of a big name and are desperate for him to succeed no matter what the cost
If utd are not in a committed contract to complete the deal any sane person would be itching to pull the plug right now
Yes it was an exaggerated comment but a lot of people are using his price tag as a stick to beat him with and not willing to give the guy a chance. Let him play get a run of games together and fully fit before we even start judging him. It's way to early too say we should pull the plug on the deal.
We are half way through the season. He will need to be pretty special in the remaining 19 games. I hope he is, don't get me wrong. I'm loving his attitude and the fact he looks really happy at the club. These are big things for me, but he surely needs to tear the league apart for the club to part with this amount of cash?
I would be quite shocked if we are tied into any permanent deal
As of now I'd rather sign a striker that injects some pace into our squad and gives us a different option, even though I really like Falcao and want him badly to succeed.
There is a chance that he will fail I'm not denying that but writing him off before he's even fit and hasn't played enough is ludicrous. Great as player he is Falcao is not a miracle worker, if you give him the service he will score goals, but you can't just expect him to 'tear up the league' when playing in unsettled team/formation, but that's down to LVG to sort out. Let's just hope he and our other key players can stay injury free so we can play the system LVG wants to play.
I think he will suit in a more open game aswell. Right now the 3-5-2 is a very slow tempo possession based game, where as a 4231 or 442 gets the ball up the field quicker. I think his movement can be wasted a little as he makes many runs but rarely are they used. I think with a good few days rest he will look sharp against Stoke.
Doesn't look like he'll ever recover his Atletico form. Unless he stays fit which he hasn't this season, I'd be surprised if he hits 10 goals.
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