Racist Maccabi Tel Aviv thugs instigate violence and criminal damage on trip to Amsterdam
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Why in the world would anyone disturb that?
The whole passports thing makes it sounds as though people were being targeted who had nothing do with those fans, never mind walking alongside them.
I was afraid something like that might be the reason. In that case, Haifa should be severely punished for behaviour like that.
Would be interesting to see how bravely they sing this in Maccabi’s away fixture to Besiktas.
You could well be right. As I have stated, I am quite sensitive to these things.
To show massive disrespect to the opposition.
Absolutely no idea, not justifiable at all.
Yep if that’s the case it’s also despicable behaviour.
I saw one photo of a passport but the way it was framed was that the guy was one of the instigators and they were using it to shame him, as it had his socials alongside it. No real way to verify what he was doing though.
Welp.... boohoo for the racists and genocidal maniacs. As someone here mentioned already, how the Isreali teams aren't yet banned from football is incredible, considering how quickly they banned Russian teams.
Maccabi will be visiting Istanbul at the end of this month, hopefully nothing happens then.
Maccabi will be visiting Istanbul at the end of this month, hopefully nothing happens then.
Still ridiculous they haven't banned Israeli teams from UEFA/FIFA competitions. Predictable, but also wildly hypocritical considering they were quick to boot out Russian teams.
Also much like October 7th, I see we're conveniently starting the clock at the time of Israelis being at the receiving end, ignoring the backdrop to what started this, namely the vandalism and disgraceful Pro genocidal chanting.
Also much like October 7th, I see we're conveniently starting the clock at the time of Israelis being at the receiving end, ignoring the backdrop to what started this, namely the vandalism and disgraceful Pro genocidal chanting.
Not an authority on this but back when we used to have more of a presence in Amsterdam, I believe the club was associated more with that, not that this incident has much to do with that club.
I did ask my tour guide (who happened to be Jewish) when I visited Amsterdam a few months ago but she claimed to not know that.
Maybe someone else could enlighten us more than me.
They're not. UEFA had decided to cater for the poor Israelis and host the game at a 'neutral' venue. The lengths they go to protect them is absurd.
That's pretty much the whole reason they're playing in UEFA, right? Avoiding those highly hostile environments when visiting their direct neighbours.
In that context, moving the game absolutely makes sense
The reason is the Arab teams refused to play them in Asia so they were allowed into UEFA, but the fact they're still allowed to do so considering they're carrying out an active genocide unashamedly while Russia was considered persona non gratis from the onset of the Ukraine conflict stinks of hypocritical pandering.
Absurd indeed.
Understandably so.
Yeah that’s grim. It is depressing the way everyone is so reluctant to apply any sanctions to Israel.
If I were a citizen of a country committing a horrifying massacre for over an entire year in full view of the entire world and a member of the most famously persecuted religious and ethnic group in the entire planet, I would not do tourism.
Yeah, how dare these people to go travel.
Insane post.
I'm sure most Macabi fans aren't scumbags, but safe to say a lot in Amsterdam the other night were - certainly not then a small minority judging by the videos.
And if we accept that a similar proportion of local scumbags retaliated - the reporting that I've seen hasn't exactly made it seem even handed.
Put it this way, a group of, let's say, Galatasaray fans go to Tel Aviv and start singing awful songs about the atrocities at the music festival last year - and a group of locals retaliate with violence... Do you honestly think there is any way the reporting of the events is the same as this one? Or called Islamaphobic?
They can travel (in general... In this situation they shouldn't be travelling because they shouldn't be in the competition)... but maybe leave the pro-genocide songs at home.
You'd think that would be on the Israeli home affairs website...
Victim mentalityOf course they should behave like decent human beings. But demanding or suggesting they just don’t travel because of their nationality is a horrible take.
Infant mentality.
Let them really find out then
I read it more as a comment on personal safety than anything else. Nobody should be afraid to travel, but it’s undeniably a tense situation right now.
They weren't demanding? Just pointing out that if you did decide to travel you'd be at huge risk of being targeted and why they personally wouldn't. That is of course shit in itself as nobody should be afraid to travel.
You’re the one crying about it like an infant in your first post instead of criticizing the pieces of shit that started the trouble. So yeah, victim mentality.
While I certainly think it's deplorable to chant things like that anywhere, chanting these things in Amsterdam is not the same thing as what you are suggesting in Israel.
Anyway, I would suppose that there are genocidal chants in just about every pro Palestine demonstration, wouldn't make it OK to attack those people. There are other ways to deal with it than physical violence.
Sky News verified videos and confirmed what the Maccabi fans did see the screengrab, they were all facts, The Guardian could've also tried to verify all the videos posted online they chose not to, or they did but chose not to include it in the headline or opening paragraphs, at least Sky News did bit better by mentioning what the fans did too.
Pal, the only one crying like an infant is you. Looking to start a fight with me.
Read through the rest of my responses first and take a deep breath.
I have already addressed what the Maccabi ultras did.
You might want to address the fact that the response was not appropriate.
Behave like an adult and you'll get an adult response.
The point I’m making is that it’s incorrect to try and claim that mainstream media are covering up the role that Maccabi fans played in what happened. The fact this is mentioned in both the Guardian article I quoted and this Sky News article really just backs this up.
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You called it a pogrom and spent most of your comments complaining. Of course we’re going to laugh at you. Go spend that energy lecturing Maccabi fans how to behave like adults instead.
We? You mean you. Every other response I got was pretty measured and has been addressed sensibly.
Why don't you spend your energy addressing the fact the response was not appropriate, or do I understand you think the response was appropriate?
Did you miss the part where I called out the ultras?
Maybe you would like to learn why people like me have a 'victim mentality' in the first place, but that has already been addressed so the message I guess was lost.
You're on ignore.
You have to accept headlines and opening parts of the article, it's all about framing in the headlines in what message they want to tell, most of mainstream media will have a headline that makes it look like Maccabi fans were simply attacked without reason, obviously they will include more details deep in the article but the main parts they emphasize on is the victimhood of Maccabi fans.
By the way I know there were tons of innocent match going Macabbi fans but, the hooligans did vile things and it should be highlighted and empathized in headlines too
It did take you 9 posts to eventually condemn the behaviour of the ultras so one might be forgiven for believing you came in here with an agenda.
Little more info here in this X thread about how "peaceful" and "non-antagonising" the Maccabi fans where in their visit in Amsterdam.
Disrupting a min silence dedicated to flood victims in Spain, singing songs containing lyrics like "There are no schools in Gaza because there are no children left." and “Death to the Arabs” and “Let the IDF feck the Arabs”.
Attacking locals and local taxis.
Can someone please think of the poor Israelis and the hardship they are going through?
I don't think it necessitates mocking me and nor do I think it is particularly constructive.
Any agenda I may have is in response to the rather inflammatory headline from the O.P. and their post, that does not sufficiently address the response to the ultras, that was far disproportionate to their actions.
I can perhaps understand that my response to others might look different to my own internal perception of this subject.
The whole thing started at least 24 hours before it escalated. I know that because I saw reports and videos online earlier than when people started paying attention. From what I saw, nothing was reported till after the retaliation in the mainstream media. Same as we saw with the complete lack of reporting when a man carrying a Palestinian flag in Greece got targeted by the same set of fans. You can google "A man gets beaten by Mccabi fans in Greece" you'll find no mention of it in the mainstream media.
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