Oh I heard a lot over the years.
I agree. Chinese descents in Indonesia have gone through some bad shits through out the years. And Malaysia doesn't help with their bumiputra policy for example.
Yeah, sorry I'm not being serious there
He really went 0 for 5 on this page
So are you then suggesting that racism is a bigger problem in the UK and the US compared to other issues existing there, and that's why they care so much about it? You think that, unlike in Italy, they don't have as many other subjects taking too much of their attention?
Far as i know Spain is actually one of the best countries around when it comes to issues of racism/integration
All of this is correct, but i like to point out how in the few instances where an effort was made by the local community to integrate the immigrants, they proved to be roaring successes. And the problem with that, is that because said immigrants where here illegally, the city councils got into legal trouble over it. In the most famous case, the mayor of Riace was placed under house arrest after he found work for most of the immigrants in the town and with their help effectively requalified an area of the town that had turned into a ghost town...
Of course, how could I forget!
They’ve already been through it.
Yup… that’s probably the biggest difference between the U.K. and the rest of Europe. I think in the U.K. enough people care and try and tackle the issue so those responsible are rightfully vilified and so your incidents are on a lesser scale and for the most part you’ll be made an example of. I don’t get that vibe from other parts of Europe. And a perfect example of how little a problem or how little the rest of Europe care is the response to taking the knee. You had the taking of the knee mercilessly booed at the home of the third biggest club in Spain on Tuesday. You will never see that happen in England at let’s say Arsenal. I think it’s only Millwall (surprise, surprise) where the booing was so audible. Saw it in Budapest and Poland for the England games too. I don’t think it can be doubted that minorities are seen as ‘lesser’ in some of these nations and so issues affecting them being pushed to the forefront are rejected. Because they’re not important and don’t you dare bring them to our football (where ironically the numbers of minority players continue to increase)
Change can happen very quickly with a right kinds of impetus behind them though. And change anyway mostly happens because people advocate and protest for it. That in turn requires exposing the issues that need change - which is what the sort of discussion we're having in this thread does. So if your point is that people should back off the Italians and let them handle change at their own pace - then I disagree.In my mothers lifetime Indigenous Australians were not allowed to vote yet. Australia is now one of the most progressive in the world just as much as England is. Let things take course around the world in it's own time. Every country cant reach the same mentality at the same moment when they all have their own unique cultural circumstances and battles going on and it gets worse the further east you go across Europe. It's easy to point the finger at other countries but lets not forget the Lingard and Sterling incidents in recent years but we'll say the football stands always are a poor representation of society and it's the same around the world.
The below photo was taken in 1995. Things change but it doesn't happen overnight.
Is England that progressive though? With their Queen and their Ali Express Donald Trump as PM.In my mothers lifetime Indigenous Australians were not allowed to vote yet. Australia is now one of the most progressive in the world just as much as England is. Let things take course around the world in it's own time. Every country cant reach the same mentality at the same moment when they all have their own unique cultural circumstances and battles going on and it gets worse the further east you go across Europe. It's easy to point the finger at other countries but lets not forget the Lingard and Sterling incidents in recent years but we'll say the football stands always are a poor representation of society and it's the same around the world.
The below photo was taken in 1995. Things change but it doesn't happen overnight.
It's crazy that there can be a club worse than Lazio at the top level in one of the big five leagues. But yeah, I remember a long time ago when they hung a dummy depicting a black player from the stands. It made news even when such things didn't make the news.
Mmmh Hellas ultras have calmed down a lot in recent years. Still racist scum, but Lazio's ultras are much worse. All fascists/neo-nazis though so it's just a matter of who's more active. Hellas ultras don't have the power of lazio's either, so the club's done a better job policing them
Club isn't fascist, they just have very powerful ultras and lack the ability to keep them away or under control
I guess it didn't help that one of their biggest legends was kind of a nazi.
In my mothers lifetime Indigenous Australians were not allowed to vote yet. Australia is now one of the most progressive in the world just as much as England is. Let things take course around the world in it's own time. Every country cant reach the same mentality at the same moment when they all have their own unique cultural circumstances and battles going on and it gets worse the further east you go across Europe. It's easy to point the finger at other countries but lets not forget the Lingard and Sterling incidents in recent years but we'll say the football stands always are a poor representation of society and it's the same around the world.
The below photo was taken in 1995. Things change but it doesn't happen overnight.
