I’m glad someone else is wondering that too
Queen Elizabeth II | 1926-2022 | Rest in Peace
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I'm sure they could be given one castle and estate and the rest of their holdings could be open to the public maybe as part of the national trust or sold off.
What modern precedent there is unfortunately for a peaceful removal of a monarchy in recent times though I'm not so sure.
What modern precedent there is unfortunately for a peaceful removal of a monarchy in recent times though I'm not so sure.
Ah okay, that’s fair then
Isn’t that more to do with your Country than the actual Queen, how did the Queen go about covering it up do you think?
not ideal, but certainly more fair than the idea of "divine rule" and "birth right".
Now that’s a plan that could actually work.
I don't think it'll be easy but the more that eventually comes out about the country being ruled by the firm and gravy stained civil servants, Andrew and who else, it will be easier to take it all in lumps rather than bite sizes at a time. Charles won't be as popular, the oldies like myself will peg it and the ordinary GenZs etcs won't relate to 'Dieu Mon Droit' forever. My bits worth. That's if anyone is left by then.
I mean, if we’re serious about helping biodiversity and addressing climate change we need more land in that condition, not less.
Hasn't the queen only overseen colonies getting independence? Has she overseen more colonization? Aside from that, pedo supporting is a stretch. She has a son that's a pedo... doesn't mean she supports pedophilia. As for massacre denying...must say I'm not aware of her denying massacres personally but I could well be wrong.
Edit: to be clear, we should never have had an empire in the first place. Definitely not condoning that.
I’d say the worst case scenario for you all then is if Charles III has a short reign.
Slightly pedantic point but he isn’t a pedophile. That’s an incorrect use of the word.
I don't mind if the Royals are left with Brighton Pavilion but I don't think we'd split the land up, just keep current management and gamekeepers running it for public coffers.
One pork chop away...
edit, someone will pop up and point out that he doesn't eat meat.
Fair enough. He's a wrong un anyway!
Indeed. And then you get the young king with an attractive queen and cute kids
In many of the things the monarchy accuse of - racism, colonialism etc. it appears at times she was not an active contributer to, but she was most definitely a passive bystander to most, if not all, which in my eyes is just as equally as disturbing. Not to mention that she contributed money to Prince Andrew in the sexual abuse case. She is not to be absolved of personal shame or blame in many instances.
That works for me.
The Mail as lost it
Well, some European monarchies have reformed themselves and live very different lives. My own view is that nothing much will happen with Charles, but when William is King there will be changes.
As for their estates, a small but densely-populated island can't afford for all that land to be kept for one family. I actually feel more strongly about the landholdings of the hereditary peers, who basically do nothing at all for the nation but have sole access to many of the best bits.
I'm astounded this needs to be spelt out.
For my entire lifetime it's been "Her majesty's government".
Like the Duke of Westminster?
Yes, because he was already ancient when the public got to know about him!
This is going to make the Captain Tom hysteria look normal, isn't it?
In terms of colonialism, I struggle with this argument, though open to being educated. Wasnt all our colonizing done before her? Unless you think that ending colonialism is as simple as saying 'k, have it back'- a power that maybe she has in law (I don't know) but in practice couldn't exercise - I don't see how culpable she is. Her ancestors, absolutely, and it's a truly shameful part of our history.
Yes, and all the others.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-landowners-author
You can't do much about the billionaires who've purchased their land, but the others haven't paid a penny.
I enjoy the self righteousness of people on here giving off about the actual fecking Queen, when she devoted 70 years to working for the Country right up to her final day at the age of 96, seriously take the log out your own eye before you take the spec out someone else’s.
I believe that if it were to be done, that’s the surest way to accomplish it. The state retaining control of the crown holdings, buying them out of the duchies, and allowing them to keep their privately owned estates.
is it not more to do with people having a problem with the idea that the monarchic institution implies some people are born to be better than others by virtue of noble birth right? i don't see many people having a go at the queen, as person, but at the institutionally defined role of "monarch" as concept.
No there are many having a go at the Queen. I’m Irish and not a monarchist but even I can see she was a pretty decent person and did a lot for the peace process here.
did she? she went on a state visit which was symbolically important but how much say did she have in that? she typically had to meet with heads of state and all kinds of people as a matter of protocol. it's not like she was there with the major government and hume and the rest ironing out a power sharing agreement.
That pesky feudal system again!
Not directing this at you but it's a good example of some of the lines of argument.
Queen does something positive: 'ah she doesn't have a say in it, she's told what to do.
Queen doesn't immediately dismantle the 'empire': ' why is the queen not ending colonialism?'
It's simply a product of history, isn't it? You supported the King of the day, he won a battle and you got a peerage and a huge amount of land. The mistake was making that something in perpetuity. It's always annoyed me.
yeah i get the contradiction. that's why i avoid charging the queen with much of any agency or personal responsibility. i take aim at the institution instead which seems a more practical target.
I think you can do something about the landed gentry and Russian Oligarchs.
I'd personally put them through that army type obstacle course and use live fire automatic weapons to keep their heads and arses down, they'd never manage one or both.