The monarch is a puppet of who? The democratically elected government?
Queen Elizabeth II | 1926-2022 | Rest in Peace
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Banned surely?
Well this thread escalated quickly. 
I'm intrigued by this convo and point. What do you mean by doing it better?
*from Andrew.
Can't really blame them. They probably thought using their powerful influence to get something they don't deserve was fitting for the occasion.
Wealth inequality and a lack of social mobility is one of the real problems in society and a monarchy is basically that turned into a parade.
But they’re not the cause. It’s our poor excuse for a government who lead the way on that one.
Holly Willoughby is beautiful and provides excellent early day television entertainment, yet gets slaughtered for acting like she's above others, and we also don't let her be Queen
Queen wasn't beautiful, didn't provide early day television entertainment, yet we as a society lift her above others and let her be Queen.
Hmmm
Queen wasn't beautiful, didn't provide early day television entertainment, yet we as a society lift her above others and let her be Queen.
Hmmm
They are definitely not the cause. Nor really are your current government, its a long term systemic problem overseen by consecutive governments and crystallised by reverence of idiots in gold hats.
Sorry I was having a bit of fun because the nation's darlings are now public enemy number 1 over queue etiquette. I even quoted the Eric Cantona kung Fu kick commentary. I thought it would have been obvious what I was at.
Don't worry, me and the other intellectuals picked up on it
Wtf?
are you trying to be funny? “We also don’t let her be queen”, that doesn’t make any sense at all
I'm 100% serious. I think there a few valid reasons as to why we could switch to her. I'm open to arguments though
Edit: If you don’t like Holly, I have other suggestions!
If you’re a fan of early daytime television then I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised
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Is she still dead? Anyone checked?
Will have to wait for the next Wrestlemania to find out.
Yeah I don't get it either.
@Cascarino you need to rethink this one through and preferably have the answer on my desk before 12 o' clock
It’s a long term problem caused by consecutive governments which hold the same values, goals, and ambitions. So yes, the root problem is the government. The so-called reverence for idiots in pointy hats actually has nothing to do with it. If people like the royal family then they’re very much entitled to.
that scarf as a bandanaI don't blame the Tory governments. Tories are gonna Tory. I blame the millions of working people who vote for them and can't see what they are doing.
Yes of course but your issue was with people disliking them for whatever reason, as tenuous as you think it is or not , which they're also very much entitled to.
The wealth gap has grown massively over the past 12 years there is no getting away from that. I'm not a fan of New Labour but there is a definite difference between Tories and even them.
If anyone is to blame here it's Paul Pogba.
The Queen was very pretty when she was Holly Willoughby's age, by the beauty standards of the time. Let's see what kind of a 96-year-old Holly makes.
Can't argue about the breakfast TV thing.
No it wasn’t. My issue is those who seem to think the monarchy still rule the country and are the root cause of all inequality.
Nobody thinks that.
Nobody thinks that, but they are a nice distillation for the wealth concentration and lack of social mobility that is the issue in society.
They are a very powerful symbol too, even during the parliament run empire it was all done in the name of the crown, so the monarchy's association with power works both ways..
I was reading today that they are exempt from 106 laws that the rest of you need to obey.
Also in the same article it said Charlie officially met with the government 36 times from. 2010 to 2013.
That is a wider issue than just Britain, and I'm not defending the Tories. I despise them.
They’re mascots paraded in gilded cages to suit the needs of the government. No power, no control. I’m sure they do their share of lobbying but there are far more unscrupulous people who do the same, with bigger clout.
If they disappeared off the face of the Earth and all their wealth absorbed by the state it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference to me, or to those who are struggling, homeless etc. The nation wouldn’t be better off, the people wouldn’t be better off. That money would be spunked on a private NHS contract for Boris’ mate or corporate tax cuts.
Grand, people are entitled to dislike them for whatever reason they want to, even if it is symbollic, because symbolism is extremely powerful. The argument that the government are worse is not any endorsement for the monarchy in my mind.
And as for the people who should be getting it, it doesn't matter to them whether it's Boris or Charlie that is buying crowns or places on management boards. Just despise them both is my solution
It’s not a case of who’s worse as there’s not really any comparison between the two. Blaming the monarchy for the shit state of this country is like blaming Fred The Red for the sad state of the club in recent years. And there’s a few in this thread who have been doing that.