That's what I mean. The rising to 60k is likely bonuses based on first-team appearances and accomplishments. He's hardly played since then
QPR v Manchester United (Friendly) Saturday 24th July 2021 @ 3pm BST | 4-2 loss
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One thing's for sure, all the Mengi hype died today.
It’s just a friendly, this is the opportunity to try different players and see what works and what doesn’t. It doesn’t really mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Fergie lost friendlies too, I remember us losing to Preston North End one year.
What about Pereira and Matic? Williams and AWB they allowed everything to go into the box. You could name many others to be fair.
Agreed. Yeah that's true he hardly played last season.
Yes why do you have one for in excess of 60k? He was on around 4K before he signed his new deal, his new deal is very much performance related, he’s not performed so his wages are vastly being over quoted.
Missed the game. Any ratings for the players today? Anyone look decent?
Read the posts above mate. And don't tell people things you have no source.
Oh you want me to post it? You only asked if I had one and I do.
Ok post it then.
That young lad Jesse Lingard got another goal, bright future ahead if he keeps working hard.
You forgot the net part.
Jokes aside, did he look good? Saw the goal, was a nice team goal. Still hoping he's off and we get some money to add to our spending. Mostly interested to know how Tuanzebe did and Mejbri. I saw the last match, and Tuanzebe was OK but Mengi and AWB were really poor.
So, you are saying that the players you listed are preferable to Ake, Stones/Laporte (choose who is the backup and who is Diaz' partner), Zinchenko/Mendy (choose who is starter, who is bench), Cancelo/Walker (choose who is starter, who is bench), Bernardo/Foden/Mahrez/Torres (two of those are bench, you pick which two) and Fernandinho/Rodri/Gundogan (one of them is bench, tell me which one)?
I mean, there is trolling and then there is just taking a piss..
Do they throw a net into the contract? Is that per season or a one off thing
He’s not on 60k a week, he’s earning about a million per season gross. His contract increases subject to performances, but like I said he’s been a bit dog shite, so out of the team and now pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Had he performed he’d be on around 40k as he’s very much on a bonus incentive contract.
I find it weird people care about the result in pre-season, even more strange that emotions are there after the second game against a fresher team. We could get thumped 4-0 for all i care, these games are just about minutes, trialing tactics, hyping up the players, findings weaknesses and then fixing with solutions. For example, matic and andreas are clearly useless, elanga looks like he may be grabbing a few more minutes next season, or maybe he is ready for a loan to develop further.
Also, DVB, Martial, Maguire,Shaw, Lindeloff, Bruno, Pogba, Fred, Mctominay, rashford, sancho etc, all first team guys, are still on holiday. I'm no Ole fan, but jheez, give the guy a break, he is freshening up the squad at the moment.
I remember a few years back, Benteke scored a tonne of goals during pre-season ( i think it was him), then during the actual season that mattered, he scored 2 or 3. I remember under Gaal we won every game, played some good football, beat madrid and barca (who were not as fresh as us) and then played terrible football for that season. City played a few games last season in pre-season, i think they lost some too, but smashed out the league.
I wouldn't worry, I would only concern yourself with making sure Varane is here, a RB, and a DM.
Also, DVB, Martial, Maguire,Shaw, Lindeloff, Bruno, Pogba, Fred, Mctominay, rashford, sancho etc, all first team guys, are still on holiday. I'm no Ole fan, but jheez, give the guy a break, he is freshening up the squad at the moment.
I remember a few years back, Benteke scored a tonne of goals during pre-season ( i think it was him), then during the actual season that mattered, he scored 2 or 3. I remember under Gaal we won every game, played some good football, beat madrid and barca (who were not as fresh as us) and then played terrible football for that season. City played a few games last season in pre-season, i think they lost some too, but smashed out the league.
I wouldn't worry, I would only concern yourself with making sure Varane is here, a RB, and a DM.
In your very own source:Do they throw a net into the contract? Is that per season or a one off thing
He’s not on 60k a week, he’s earning about a million per season gross. His contract increases subject to performances, but like I said he’s been a bit dog shite, so out of the team and now pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Had he performed he’d be on around 40k as he’s very much on a bonus incentive contract.
Dave nets 350k a week, doesn’t mean it’s his take home pay!
Source doesn’t say net pay, it just says he nets 1.1 million per year, completely different. Uk generally talk about entire wages, not net pay, as he’d not be paying 50% tax regardless, or 66% of his 60k a week…
Watched it from the away end at Loftus Road. Disappointing result for my first time back in a stadium for ages, but doesn't mean very much as the purpose is for players to get some minutes before the real games start. QPR are further into their preparations and it showed.
From my view at the ground, it looked very disjointed after the first few minutes, with a lot of careless passing, especially passing back around our own box. Some people criticising Matić, but I thought his calmness and experience was needed given the lack of first team experience behind him and I think his withdrawal at half time left us exposed.
We played too much down the left side through Williams and James, which wasn't working. Pellistri wasn't as effective as he was in the Derby game.
After we went 4-1 down, it was really just the youngsters passing the ball around to little effect, apart from Elanga's missed chances (he really can move).
Most of these players aren't going to be in the starting lineup for the EPL games, so I guess the worry would be if the ones we do need as cover continue like today.
Reminded me a bit of the notorious game against MK Dons in LVG's first season when a lot of little used players were thrown together and were hammered.
From my view at the ground, it looked very disjointed after the first few minutes, with a lot of careless passing, especially passing back around our own box. Some people criticising Matić, but I thought his calmness and experience was needed given the lack of first team experience behind him and I think his withdrawal at half time left us exposed.
We played too much down the left side through Williams and James, which wasn't working. Pellistri wasn't as effective as he was in the Derby game.
After we went 4-1 down, it was really just the youngsters passing the ball around to little effect, apart from Elanga's missed chances (he really can move).
Most of these players aren't going to be in the starting lineup for the EPL games, so I guess the worry would be if the ones we do need as cover continue like today.
Reminded me a bit of the notorious game against MK Dons in LVG's first season when a lot of little used players were thrown together and were hammered.
Ok then English is not my first language anyway.
The only thing that concerns me is no matter what game it is our second choice perform so poorly too often. Ole then can't play any of them in rotation. Usually you'd get players trying to break into the first team looking to do well in these situations and players with some ability should be able to impress as a team.
I don't think it's all down to coaching either, some of them go out on loan for a long time and the clubs are not interested in signing them up.
What a goal by that QPR player though. He'll never score a better one.
You just ramble a lot of shite I haven't said. Moyes had a clear idea for Lingard and built around that, Ole didn't. It's not rocket science and we can see clear proof of that.
In these specific cases, yes, I think their manager had a clear idea of what to do with the player and how to use him. I don't think Ole had that with any of them. Ole has his style and is swim or sunk, he gives freedom to his players, challenges them to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Bruno can handle it. Sanchez didn't have it in him, or Lingard for that matter. All those players have done better in their respective teams, and you can't just laugh it off as a "lesser league" I think the majority does better when leaving United and that is something you have to look into why. So yes, my original post was that our players today are indeed better than QPR's and we will see proof of that when they eventually leave.
Just watched the goals and my one question is where the hell was this composure during the Euros Landon Dykes. He couldn’t have bought a goal then.
Anyone knows when we start playing first XI squad?
It looks like I did not watch the same game as the rest, as for me in the field this was better outing than against Derby. Of course, it is preseason, and only a few of those will get some minutes this year. Beside Greenwood, AWB, and probably Matic others won't be there, or will play only in Cups.
For me, the only disappointment is AWB who looks completely out of form. That is probably normal for this stage, but still it is a worry as we don't have a backup. Would be nice to get Trippier to have a cover for this position.
Axel, Matic, Lingard as experienced players in the first half have been OK. Not sure why people slating Axel as he did not do anything wrong from my point of view. He was solid, and just could not fix AWB errors on the right.
Mengi was out of position quite often. He really needs a loan, and hopefully will get one with Rooney where he will probably play and learn from mistakes. He has a lot to learn, as beside pace and strenght I did not see much from him in the last 2 years honestly. Probably Jagielka can be good mentor for him on weekly basis.
Williams - not sure about lad. He is not improving, but on the other hand he is there, around PL level, and probably with better CB on his side his mistakes would be fixed. Not a bad option, but I would like to send him on loan and make him earn minutes and get better. Even Championship loan would be OK for me, as he also needs to learn his trade playing every week. I guess if Trippier signs, we don't need him and can loan him out.
Elanga and Pellistri both very bright. Good players, just both need to play a lot of games. Elanga really good today, with a little bit of luck he could score a hattrick today, but he managed to get himself in position which is also great.
Garner is OK, he obviously can play against Championship side, so the question is still if he can play against PL sides with better players around. For me, it is better to have him than Pereira in the pairing with Matic against Brentford, and have Lingard in front, so we can see what he can do with non-kids around. But, I would not be afraid to play him against regular PL sides. It depends on who will we bring, but he should maybe stay with the team. In the second half when he was running a show from behind we have secured possession easily, even with kids around, he did not put a foot wrong in that period.
Others, good outing, nothing more. I would like to see more of Mejbri, but I guess he is not ready yet as he has started after others. He looks good on the ball against grown ups in both games, so 45 minutes against Brentford would be awesome to see what he can do.
For me, the only disappointment is AWB who looks completely out of form. That is probably normal for this stage, but still it is a worry as we don't have a backup. Would be nice to get Trippier to have a cover for this position.
Axel, Matic, Lingard as experienced players in the first half have been OK. Not sure why people slating Axel as he did not do anything wrong from my point of view. He was solid, and just could not fix AWB errors on the right.
Mengi was out of position quite often. He really needs a loan, and hopefully will get one with Rooney where he will probably play and learn from mistakes. He has a lot to learn, as beside pace and strenght I did not see much from him in the last 2 years honestly. Probably Jagielka can be good mentor for him on weekly basis.
Williams - not sure about lad. He is not improving, but on the other hand he is there, around PL level, and probably with better CB on his side his mistakes would be fixed. Not a bad option, but I would like to send him on loan and make him earn minutes and get better. Even Championship loan would be OK for me, as he also needs to learn his trade playing every week. I guess if Trippier signs, we don't need him and can loan him out.
Elanga and Pellistri both very bright. Good players, just both need to play a lot of games. Elanga really good today, with a little bit of luck he could score a hattrick today, but he managed to get himself in position which is also great.
Garner is OK, he obviously can play against Championship side, so the question is still if he can play against PL sides with better players around. For me, it is better to have him than Pereira in the pairing with Matic against Brentford, and have Lingard in front, so we can see what he can do with non-kids around. But, I would not be afraid to play him against regular PL sides. It depends on who will we bring, but he should maybe stay with the team. In the second half when he was running a show from behind we have secured possession easily, even with kids around, he did not put a foot wrong in that period.
Others, good outing, nothing more. I would like to see more of Mejbri, but I guess he is not ready yet as he has started after others. He looks good on the ball against grown ups in both games, so 45 minutes against Brentford would be awesome to see what he can do.
Everton I think. They get a three week extended break
Any gifs somewhere in the thread?
No threadmarks, so i'm guessing not?
No threadmarks, so i'm guessing not?
Nevermind, highlights on youtube!
He's been absolutely terrible in both games, like a boy amongst men. There's no way he's in any plans for this season and might have even done himself permanent damage here. I genuinely can't think of another player who has looked so far out of place in our team.
When is that game?
Aug 7
Anyone else think Charlie Austin is a decent buy for a back up striker? I don’t know if he’d rather be playing more in the championship.
Thanks.
Since when did pre-season results matter this much, is this a new thing I'm not familiar with?
Pre season is just that, games to give players minutes, so much so you can sub the whole team at any moment because no one cares. Does anyone actually give a shit if we beat or lose to QPR in July after the Euros with the first team on holiday all over the world?
Pre season is just that, games to give players minutes, so much so you can sub the whole team at any moment because no one cares. Does anyone actually give a shit if we beat or lose to QPR in July after the Euros with the first team on holiday all over the world?
You do know we are man utd not crystal palace