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Boring game, France have been incredibly lucky so far… then again, maybe sometimes you need a big slice of luck?
France reaches the late stages of tournaments time and again. It’s not about luck. It’s an incredibly difficult team to beat.

Spain can move the ball and will probably score, but France will grind. That’s what they do. DD probably figured that France won’t play good entertaining football, and so he will just try to get results. They may do it again.

I also believe that France is due for one good game, and that would make a potential win look more deserved.
 
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Boring game, France have been incredibly lucky so far… then again, maybe sometimes you need a big slice of luck?
They are not.

They're extremely well organized defensively and in the midfield and a nightmare to play against. It's always been their strength under Deschamps. Their results in the last tournaments don't lie and they're still the team to beat in this one despite their awful display.

The problem is that they're not firing upfront and it has a lot to do with Pogba not being there.
 
Got to be honest about France - with Mbappe injured/out of form, the only thing works class about their current crop is the defence. It's a very ordinary outfit bar that.
 
It's always deflating to see the host be knocked out. Don't need to see them win it, but reaching the SF, at the very least, is preferable.
 
France in semifinal without a goal from open play. Incerdible. Martinez keeping invisible Ronaldo the whole game was his undoing. Such a waste of a talent in that team. Joao Felix playes like he just woke up too.
 
He won't get fired.

The problem isn't just him. The problem is Mendes influence. Our FA needs a serious reset and reform.

Anyways congratulations to France. I didn't rate our team from the start but I have to commend their effort against France when once again we are playing with 10. Ronaldo should be ashamed of doing this to his country. He needs to know that his time is up. Felix is a disgrace. Nothing player. Seriously hate his guts.

Anyways good luck France. Anyone but Spain for me.
Really serious situation if you're posting this. Its trude, Portugal team is Ronaldo's hostage. Such a shame.
 
I'm still so pissed off. Don't think I've ever been as disappointed after a German tournament exit. What the hell was he thinking? Nagelsmann's decision making throughout this whole tournament was downright awful. What a shitshow.
 
The Netherlands lost big matches to both countries and on a wider historical perspective was part of both at some times in their history. I think you can have that discussion.
It's self deprecating humor. We have proven to be able to reach finals 4 times and only winning one. Probably the least important one as well since the other three were world cups and yes: Would we rather repeat a 74 or a 2010 defeat since winning finals is not a thing we're known for. ;)
So you are saying by now it's entirely a football discussion. I don't think any of the 2010 losers felt about it like like Wim van Hanegem.
 
How is Ronaldo holding the team hostage? Just don't fecking select him in the squad, if he's playing shit then drop him. The problem the Portuguese team management don't have the balls to do it.

It's weird to blame a player who isn't that good anymore to continue to not be that good anymore. It's the responsibility of the management to not have him in the pitch.
 
I'm still so pissed off. Don't think I've ever been as disappointed after a German tournament exit. What the hell was he thinking? Nagelsmann's decision making throughout this whole tournament was downright awful. What a shitshow.

You underrate your coach and overrate your players. Nagelsmann is one of the finest managers in the tournament.
 
How is Ronaldo holding the team hostage? Just don't fecking select him in the squad, if he's playing shit then drop him. The problem the Portuguese team management don't have the balls to do it.

It's weird to blame a player who isn't that good anymore to continue to not be that good anymore. It's the responsibility of the management to not have him in the pitch.
He’s holding them hostage because the manager doesn’t have the balls to drop him or take him off
 
You underrate your coach and overrate your players. Nagelsmann is one of the finest managers in the tournament.

It's weird to blame the manager for his players missing multiple chances to win. You could argue why he's playing Havertz but then Fullkrug missed a fair few chances as well. I only decision I was against was playing Can for Andrich, Sane playing made technical sense but then he apparently got injured, which was why he went off at HT and maybe why he didn't play well.

Nagelsmann had the best managerial performance of any coach since 2018 and while making us play good attractive final.

Does give hope for the future but then again our squad doesn't look like it'll be getting any better in the coming years.
 
It's weird to blame the manager for his players missing multiple chances to win. You could argue why he's playing Havertz but then Fullkrug missed a fair few chances as well. I only decision I was against was playing Can for Andrich, Sane playing made technical sense but then he apparently got injured, which was why he went off at HT and maybe why he didn't play well.

Nagelsmann had the best managerial performance of any coach since 2018 and while making us play good attractive final.

Does give hope for the future but then again our squad doesn't look like it'll be getting any better in the coming years.

Absolutely, let us not forget the state of that German team only a year ago.
 
France reaches the late stages of tournaments time and again. It’s not about luck. It’s an incredibly difficult team to beat.

Spain can move the ball and will probably score, but France will grind. That’s what they do. DD probably figured that France won’t play good entertaining football, and so he will just try to get results. They may do it again.

I also believe that France is due for one good game, and that would make a potential win look more deserved.

They are an incredibly difficult side to score against. They have also been very lucky this championship. 66% of their goals from open play have been own goals. If you bombard the opponent, that is’nt luck. If you play like France have here - it is. Going through in a penalty shoot out instead of going out - that’s more luck than skill anyway you slice it, unless you’ve got on fire Diogo Costa in goal, and particularily when you face Diogo Costa and a bleak version shows up.

I wouldn’t say France have been clearly worse than any of their opponents, good but not great opponents at that, but neither have they shown they deserved to get through at any hurdle so far, IMO, and that is without commenting on the depressing style of football they sport.
 
They are an incredibly difficult side to score against. They have also been very lucky this championship. 66% of their goals from open play have been own goals. If you bombard the opponent, that is’nt luck. If you play like France have here - it is. Going through in a penalty shoot out instead of going out - that’s more luck than skill anyway you slice it, unless you’ve got on fire Diogo Costa in goal, and particularily when you face Diogo Costa and a bleak version shows up.

I wouldn’t say France have been clearly worse than any of their opponents, good but not great opponents at that, but neither have they shown they deserved to get through at any hurdle so far, IMO, and that is without commenting on the depressing style of football they sport.

France deserved to go through yesterday. The three clearest chances came to Kolo Muani, Camavinga and Dembele.
 
I'm still so pissed off. Don't think I've ever been as disappointed after a German tournament exit. What the hell was he thinking? Nagelsmann's decision making throughout this whole tournament was downright awful. What a shitshow.
Welcome to our world mate.
 
I'm still so pissed off. Don't think I've ever been as disappointed after a German tournament exit. What the hell was he thinking? Nagelsmann's decision making throughout this whole tournament was downright awful. What a shitshow.
Nagelsmann has little to do with the defeat and you're vastly understimating the quality of your opponents.

He set up the team tactically very well in every game. The problem lies with the player quality. Sané is done, especially upfront, Havertz can't finish to save his life and Füllkrug is a second rate striker.
 
I'm still so pissed off. Don't think I've ever been as disappointed after a German tournament exit. What the hell was he thinking? Nagelsmann's decision making throughout this whole tournament was downright awful. What a shitshow.
I know the anguish and hatred after a disappointing loss. Given time, I hope you will see more of the aspect that Germany played some of the best football in this championship (and a few of the last championships as well), the best Germany I’ve seen since Brazil as well.

Going out on the finest of margins after the game of the championship against the other best team atm, that is no shame at all, in fact you don’t get so close without very good coaching and match leadership. If one of Fullkrüg or Havertz’ finishes had found true aim, Germany would have been unanymously celebrated as a masterclass today.

I get that another team could play less open, be more clinical and beat this Spain team. But 7 out of 10 times, they wouldn’t, regardless of strategy. Nagelsmann gave Germany a really good chance, and there where centimetres deciding the outcome. He has done very much right.
 
France deserved to go through yesterday. The three clearest chances came to Kolo Muani, Camavinga and Dembele.
You can argue that. I argue that Portugal was just as close not just because of chances to Leao, Ronaldo, Silva, or that they had a lot of situations very close to France’s box, but also because they played with 10 players when in fact they could just as well have decided to play with 11.
 
You can argue that. I argue that Portugal was just as close not just because of chances to Leao, Ronaldo, Silva, or that they had a lot of situations very close to France’s box, but also because they played with 10 players when in fact they could just as well have decided to play with 11.

Portugal only have themselves to blame for sticking with an over the hill CR7 though.
 
By the end of the game I must admit I was happy to see the back of Portugal - it was painful to watch how dysfunctional their attacking game was. Out to Leao on the left, who reliably got to the touchline and put it in for...no one. Bruno didn't have a good game. And it was almost hard to believe how utterly useless Ronaldo was. I thought he was pretty awful his last season in United and that World Cup, but this was like that crap version of himself squared. Barely touched the ball, almost universally screwed up on the few occasions he did and as far as I noticed didn't get to a single significant finishing attempt. Can't recall when I saw a striker do less in 120 minutes. For God's sake, just pension the man off.
 
Portugal shot themselves in the foot by building around a 39 year old striker who was booted out by a weak Manchester United team. A complete and utter waste of all the talent in that squad.

On France, I usually don’t mind them but in this tournament along with England they’re the ones I don’t want to see win the thing. Their football under Deschamps has never been great but now it’s absolutely dreadful. Funnily enough, for all jizzing over Kante, aside from fit / inform Griezmann and Mbappe, they’re actually missing Pogba a lot. He was often the one that combining with Griezmann that broke past their laborious small time counter attack style and brought some creative spark and flair to their play.

I agree that they miss Pogba, but I've never really understood the hate for France. They play a different style of football, but it is the contrasting styles of play that make tournament football exciting. France is very good defensively; each of their players, especially the defenders, is incredibly comfortable on the ball and capable of advancing the play. Their transition from defense to attack is seamless. In attack, they create numerous chances and shooting opportunities. However, their finishing has been deplorable. None of their strikers, particularly Marcus Thuram, seem to have any confidence or sharpness in front of goal.
 
How is Ronaldo holding the team hostage? Just don't fecking select him in the squad, if he's playing shit then drop him. The problem the Portuguese team management don't have the balls to do it.

It's weird to blame a player who isn't that good anymore to continue to not be that good anymore. It's the responsibility of the management to not have him in the pitch.

You don't know what you're talking about. You don't understand the dynamics of portuguese football and the power and influence of both Ronaldo and Mendes. Our FA President is a bureaucrat who understands nothing about football. He only cares about financial aspects, marketing and his own ambitions in Uefa and Fifa. He basically ceeds the football responsibilities to members connected with the Mendes/Ronaldo camp. We had Ronaldo's entourage members (Ricardo Regufe) roaming freely around our squad until other players said that it was inappropriate.

We saw what happened to Fernando Santos when he tried to phase out Ronaldo from our starting eleven. He lost the power struggle to Ronaldo. I don't even like Santos but he did win us a Euro/Nations League. Not only that, we played much better in the WC than in this Euro, including a 6-1 trashing of Switzerland, without, guess who, Ronaldo. All the Ronaldo circus when he got dropped destabilized the team. It was non stop chatter about that crap with media swarming players and Santos. Result was a putrid performance against Marocco and almost all pundits placed the blame on the Ronaldo circus and subsequent distraction. Even Ronaldo sisters and the President of the Republic got involved ffs. After that Santos got sacked, replaced by an Yes man, who instantly put Ronaldo back in the starting line up.

I'll never forget and forever be grateful for everything Ronaldo gave to our country. But atm he's just tarnishing his reputation. He's getting trashed this morning all over media. Even more than Felix. People have started to turn on him. He should have retired after the world cup. He's not capable of being a starter for our team. He should have accepted an impact sub role. I'm absolutely convinced his numbers would be better. Now, I don't even want him to be that. I don't want him around the team anymore. I don't want him in our WC squad. We have to evolve as a team and with Ronaldo around it's impossible. It's unfair to other players. Bench player, players that play that have to sacrifice themselves. His time is up.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. You don't understand the dynamics of portuguese football and the power and influence of both Ronaldo and Mendes. Our FA President is a bureaucrat who understands nothing about football. He only cares about financial aspects, marketing and his own ambitions in Uefa and Fifa. He basically ceeds the football responsibilities to members connected with the Mendes/Ronaldo camp. We had Ronaldo's entourage members (Ricardo Regufe) roaming freely around our squad until other players said that it was inappropriate.

We saw what happened to Fernando Santos when he tried to phase out Ronaldo from our starting eleven. He lost the power struggle to Ronaldo. I don't even like Santos but he did win us a Euro/Nations League. Not only that, we played much better in the WC than in this Euro, including a 6-1 trashing of Switzerland, without, guess who, Ronaldo. All the Ronaldo circus when he got dropped destabilized the team. It was non stop chatter about that crap with media swarming players and Santos. Result was a putrid performance against Marocco and almost all pundits placed the blame on the Ronaldo circus and subsequent distraction. Even Ronaldo sisters and the President of the Republic got involved ffs. After that Santos got sacked, replaced by an Yes man, who instantly put Ronaldo back in the starting line up.

I'll never forget and forever be grateful for everything Ronaldo gave to our country. But atm he's just tarnishing his reputation. He's getting trashed this morning all over media. Even more than Felix. People have started to turn on him. He should have retired after the world cup. He's not capable of being a starter for our team. He should have accepted an impact sub role. I'm absolutely convinced his numbers would be better. Now, I don't even want him to be that. I don't want him around the team anymore. I don't want him in our WC squad. We have to evolve as a team and with Ronaldo around it's impossible. It's unfair to other players. Bench player, players that play that have to sacrifice themselves. His time is up.
Hard read and agree with it all
 
Hard read and agree with it all

I don't blame people thinking rationally about the situation. Usually FAs have strict organogram structures, with hierarchical relationships between management and departments with defined roles and responsibilities.

Problem is that portuguese football has mafia life organization with shadowy figures controlling the strings behind the scenes. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE, in Portugal knows that Mendes and Ronaldo control the team. You can see that by the call ups, starting eleven, manager appointment, pressures to do changes in the team to accommodate certain players that are detrimental to the team. Anyone who goes against that gets sacked. Managers, directors even players. Who doesn't fall in line gets axed.

You can't judge the circumstances by normal patterns. Portuguese football plays by it's own set of rules. Here Mendes and Ronaldo are the real power.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. You don't understand the dynamics of portuguese football and the power and influence of both Ronaldo and Mendes. Our FA President is a bureaucrat who understands nothing about football. He only cares about financial aspects, marketing and his own ambitions in Uefa and Fifa. He basically ceeds the football responsibilities to members connected with the Mendes/Ronaldo camp. We had Ronaldo's entourage members (Ricardo Regufe) roaming freely around our squad until other players said that it was inappropriate.

We saw what happened to Fernando Santos when he tried to phase out Ronaldo from our starting eleven. He lost the power struggle to Ronaldo. I don't even like Santos but he did win us a Euro/Nations League. Not only that, we played much better in the WC than in this Euro, including a 6-1 trashing of Switzerland, without, guess who, Ronaldo. All the Ronaldo circus when he got dropped destabilized the team. It was non stop chatter about that crap with media swarming players and Santos. Result was a putrid performance against Marocco and almost all pundits placed the blame on the Ronaldo circus and subsequent distraction. Even Ronaldo sisters and the President of the Republic got involved ffs. After that Santos got sacked, replaced by an Yes man, who instantly put Ronaldo back in the starting line up.

I'll never forget and forever be grateful for everything Ronaldo gave to our country. But atm he's just tarnishing his reputation. He's getting trashed this morning all over media. Even more than Felix. People have started to turn on him. He should have retired after the world cup. He's not capable of being a starter for our team. He should have accepted an impact sub role. I'm absolutely convinced his numbers would be better. Now, I don't even want him to be that. I don't want him around the team anymore. I don't want him in our WC squad. We have to evolve as a team and with Ronaldo around it's impossible. It's unfair to other players. Bench player, players that play that have to sacrifice themselves. His time is up.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't a fan of Santos as well and thought he too was a defensive coach, though ofcourse he had the 6-1 you mentioned, so at that time I thought his sacking was justified. Obviously I didn't now the background info on how dropping Ronaldo might have caused it.

Though Portugal are out I suppose the bright side is Ronaldo will definitely be out and you still have some really good young players, which would mean you will still have a strong squad for WC 24 without the Ronaldo circus.
 
Thanks for the info. I wasn't a fan of Santos as well and thought he too was a defensive coach, though ofcourse he had the 6-1 you mentioned, so at that time I thought his sacking was justified. Obviously I didn't now the background info on how dropping Ronaldo might have caused it.

Though Portugal are out I suppose the bright side is Ronaldo will definitely be out and you still have some really good young players, which would mean you will still have a strong squad for WC 24 without the Ronaldo circus.
Yes, I agree. Like I said in the next post, I don't really blame you or other people for thinking like that. Your reasoning is rational. The problem here is Portuguese football organization. We are still stuck in the 90's. When we evolve things will get better. We just need a new President that cuts ties with Mendes, Ronaldo retiring and we good. Grassroots work is very good. The talent we produce is top notch. We just need better management.
 
What are the chances Ronaldo will become a manager and take the reins so he can continue appearing at the 2026, 2028, 2030 Euros and WC etc etc and continue on his quest to surpass Messi in terms of personal glory?
 
I agree that they miss Pogba, but I've never really understood the hate for France. They play a different style of football, but it is the contrasting styles of play that make tournament football exciting. France is very good defensively; each of their players, especially the defenders, is incredibly comfortable on the ball and capable of advancing the play. Their transition from defense to attack is seamless. In attack, they create numerous chances and shooting opportunities. However, their finishing has been deplorable. None of their strikers, particularly Marcus Thuram, seem to have any confidence or sharpness in front of goal.
I don’t hate France. Infact I usually nothing France. They’re never too brilliant to envy not too annoying to dislike. Usually they’re an easy neutral option for me personally. But in the end, football is about entertainment for me rather than variety. Their football was never (in this Deschamp era) that easy on the eye but mechanical in a Jose / Comte at their best sort of way but now has gotten particularly insipid. Hate is a strong word but I’d rather Spain win this than England or France.
 
What's the opinion on the potential handball pen in the Germany-Spain game on here?

In my opinion it should've been a pen, since Cucurella's arm actively goes towards the ball (would've gone through if he kept his arm high up) and blocks a shot, that would've been very dangerous, most likely even a goal by studying the traction in the slow motion review.
 
They are not.

They're extremely well organized defensively and in the midfield and a nightmare to play against. It's always been their strength under Deschamps. Their results in the last tournaments don't lie and they're still the team to beat in this one despite their awful display.

The problem is that they're not firing upfront and it has a lot to do with Pogba not being there.

Agree with the first paragraph. They are strong, powerful, well organised and hard to beat. But I really wantto see them fail.This is the most boring France team I have seenona whileandpersonallyit has nothingto do with Pogbanot being there. itis down to the manager. Hardto argueagainst his success but he iseven worse tha SOuthgate who has at least takenthe ountries exciting talents,justisnt utilising them.

The vast quality in numbers in French football bar strikers maybe is huge at the moment. This side may well go onto win the tournament....but there isliterally another 25players squad he ould select more exciting than this one, crazy the talent of some players not even in the squad. This should be anexciting and swashbuckiling France side...not one hard to beat
 
What's the opinion on the potential handball pen in the Germany-Spain game on here?

In my opinion it should've been a pen, since Cucurella's arm actively goes towards the ball (would've gone through if he kept his arm high up) and blocks a shot, that would've been very dangerous, most likely even a goal by studying the traction in the slow motion review.

Even as a Germany fan is 50-50 for me, not angry about it at all since it wasn't clear cut, the arm is not too far from the body for it to blatant. We had plenty of chances to win the game before and after that, that's what annoying me more.

Plus, there are people saying there was an offside in the build up though I don't know if that was checked since the decision to not review was made pretty quickly.
 
What's the opinion on the potential handball pen in the Germany-Spain game on here?

In my opinion it should've been a pen, since Cucurella's arm actively goes towards the ball (would've gone through if he kept his arm high up) and blocks a shot, that would've been very dangerous, most likely even a goal by studying the traction in the slow motion review.

Not a question for me, as Füllkrug may have been offside and also played the ball with his arm after it and passed it to Musiala. So no pen obviously, should have been a freekick to Spain. Nobody is talking about it, but it was a clear and obvious.
 
You underrate your coach and overrate your players. Nagelsmann is one of the finest managers in the tournament.

I don't think so. Individually, the team was outstanding. Kroos and Gündogan are all time great German CMs, Wirtz and Musiala the biggest talents I've seen in the Bundesliga and the defense was superb with Rüdiger and Tah as well. And it was all complemented by very good players in almost every position. Thing is that few replicated their club form.


Welcome to our world mate.

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I know the anguish and hatred after a disappointing loss. Given time, I hope you will see more of the aspect that Germany played some of the best football in this championship (and a few of the last championships as well), the best Germany I’ve seen since Brazil as well.

Going out on the finest of margins after the game of the championship against the other best team atm, that is no shame at all, in fact you don’t get so close without very good coaching and match leadership. If one of Fullkrüg or Havertz’ finishes had found true aim, Germany would have been unanymously celebrated as a masterclass today.

I get that another team could play less open, be more clinical and beat this Spain team. But 7 out of 10 times, they wouldn’t, regardless of strategy. Nagelsmann gave Germany a really good chance, and there where centimetres deciding the outcome. He has done very much right.

I've never been bitter when we crashed out but this time is different because much more was possible. The frustrating part is that I'm going to be largely alone with this opinion since the public sentiment will be like you described. But Nagelsmann has made so many errors in my opinion and it only gets more disappointing because it looked like he wouldn't be going down that road in the beginning of his tenure.

His player assessment was terrible in my eyes. Honestly, everybody who saw Wirtz this season should be furious that he was benched in the two most important games. He wasn't at his best in this tournament but you could immediately see how good he is in terms of ball progressing, be it by making intelligent runs, playing line breaking passes or just solving pressure situations technically. It only gets worse when you consider that he benched him for Leroy Sané who has been out of form for centuries and played him out of position to accomodate Musiala who is still extremely erratic. And Musiala is another very good example because under Nagelsmann, he seems to be the first name on the team sheet although he gave in very mediocre performances to say the least after his admittedly mindblowing match vs. Scotland. Going for Can is another big mistake and if your football expertise leads you to playing him out of all available options in CM then I simply don't trust it. And we've seen absolutely nothing from Führich either. He has played a brillant season and has looked lit everytime he was subbed in when we played our preseason friendlies, linking up very well with Mittelstädt. One of the things I was looking forward to was that we could bring him or even both in during the late game and that didn't happen at all, again to play the completely out of form Sané. Same goes for Undav and Beier by the way.

Of course we were still one of the best teams of the tournament but we still underperformed. And I'm not really optimistic for the future since we are about to lose our two best CMs with no successors on the horizon. And CM is probably the most important position in modern football.


Nagelsmann has little to do with the defeat and you're vastly understimating the quality of your opponents.

He set up the team tactically very well in every game. The problem lies with the player quality. Sané is done, especially upfront, Havertz can't finish to save his life and Füllkrug is a second rate striker.

If he set it up very well, why did he change twice in the halftime break? He didn't set the team up correctly, he fecked it up and he had already done it against Denmark but was unable to see it. And as good as Spain is, they are definitely beatable. Croatia shot 16 times worth 2,5 or so xG against them, Italy was worse than Switzerland this tournament and Georgia and Albania were clear underdogs. We had the home advantage and IMO the best conditions to win this thing.

And if Sané is done, why does he start twice in a row when we have so many alternatives lined up? Nagelsmann started his tenure by betting on technicality and football IQ, why has he abandoned that idea mid tournament?
 
What's the opinion on the potential handball pen in the Germany-Spain game on here?

In my opinion it should've been a pen, since Cucurella's arm actively goes towards the ball (would've gone through if he kept his arm high up) and blocks a shot, that would've been very dangerous, most likely even a goal by studying the traction in the slow motion review.

It looked like offside to me but if it wasn't, it is a stonewall penalty. Anyway, we can't really complain because Kroos was lucky that he didn't get a second yellow. He committed two yellow worthy fouls within the first 15 minutes or so, that would have completely killed us.
 
As many Said, the obvious things to do were there. Ronaldo stats are atrocious to say the least. With a half decent striker we would had scored a goal.
Him and Bruno Fernandes were clearly our weak links this euro for different reasons though, but at least Bruno did well on the offball part.