Tragic line of thought.
Gaming PS5 vs Xbox Series S|X
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Tragic line of thought.
PS5 killer 
Because it’s very poor in comparison to PlayStation.
If you're out when your Amazon boy delivers your PS5, tell him to leave it by the bins. It'll save you a trip.
It's not a PS5 killer by any stretch but I don't think the PS5 will outsell the Xbox massively this gen like last. Microsoft look like they're learning from their mistakes.
That said I don't think an Xbox will ever sell as many as a PS because you can get all the games through game pass on a PC anyway. Can't say the same for the superior Sony exclusives.
That said I don't think an Xbox will ever sell as many as a PS because you can get all the games through game pass on a PC anyway. Can't say the same for the superior Sony exclusives.
Gamepass looks great.
Gamepass isn’t worth it for a casual gamer like myself.
Gamepass is going to destroy the PS5.
Or Sony’s exclusives is a XSX killer?
Greenwood just confirmed Xbox > PS
Actually MS had a great advantage ( which it squandered spectacularly) at the start of this gen with lot of goodwill earned from Xbox 360 era. They actually did keep up with the sales of PS4 for the first 2-3 years. This time I don't think it will sell as much as Xbox one did in first few years.
No they didn't. The PS4 was always way ahead
Yeah no chance Xbox was close in first 2-3 years. By end of first year they were stripping off Kinect and realised they made a massive mistake. Xbox One had sold 7.91m and PS4 sold nearly 15m by the end of 2014.
PS4 was miles ahead in Europe. America was successful for 360 against PS3, but it wasn’t the case this gen.
PS4 was miles ahead in Europe. America was successful for 360 against PS3, but it wasn’t the case this gen.
PS4 was ahead by 5-6m numbers which was always expected ( compared that to end of this generation which is around 65m) . Same number will be there again considering how badly MS has performed this gen. Every E3 they were supposed to have this great lineup of games and then MS used to show nothing.
Gamepass is not a system seller and I don't think even MS think of it as system seller. They have given no reason for people to move to next gen with next to no games coming in first 2 years of next gen. I believe gap will be almost same like this gen unless MS price their console cheaper than PS5
As Bojan said above your numbers were all wrong. The 360 actually outsold the PS3 for a while and they ended the generation on basically the same numbers. It wasn't expected that Sony would have a big gap. Sony had no advantage going into the next gen, MS just made a gigantic balls of things with the pricing, weaker console, and always online crap.
The PS4 was outselling the Xbox One massively even at the start. It was never close.
November 2014 was the last time Xbox released its official sales figure which had shown 10m sales compared to PS4 14.4m. That gap was not that enormous. Not sure about Bojan figures but this is what Xbox official figures are and that's what I used.
You are right they blew their advantage though. That's why I feel the gap will be higher incase they price it higher than PS5 which according to BOM report ( not sure if it's true) looks more likely
Nah they undercutting Sony this time.
Learn the difference between shipped and sold. Sony released figures stating how many they sold. MS released how many they shipped which means retailers could have been sitting on them.
The gap was big from day one. I was a massive 360 fan and saw a lot of people who were the same jumping ship. Better system, simple dashboard and more powerful. Xbox one was a mess at the start.
This isn’t the case with Series x. If they do price it more then they have a case to do so because it’s more powerful. Last time they forced you to have Kinect and the console ran like shit. It was never a close race. If it’s as close as you making it out to be in first few years why did MS stop releasing numbers after two years.
Anyway I think they will undercut Sony. They’d be foolish not to as they can take the loss more than Sony and they are the ones who have to entice existing PS4 users into their install base. Price will do that. There’s tons of people who just buy 2 or 3 games a year like FIFA or Cod that will just buy on price alone.
I’d be surprised if they don’t undercut them. If they didn’t why they waited so long to announce the price. They could have got a head start on release date and pre orders.
An extinction level event would have to be a PS5 killer or PS killer of any kind.
Mind you, xcloud and gamepass are very attractive.
Anyway, as I’ve said, you’d have to be pissing money out your fecking hoop to buy an Xbox series x. You can get a 10600K and a new Ampere or Navi GPU which will be primed for 4k gaming. It will cost you more but you will make that up with paying nothing for subscription and being literally able to customise your own graphics.
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/xbox-one-sales-1202796674/
I understand the difference between shipped and sold. I was quoting the sold numbers. Can't find official page.
And I don't think they can undercut PS5 with 100$ more BOM than Sony. This notion of "they can charge more because of more CU" is not going to help them.
Wouldn't that cost a bomb? The appeal of console is the price point and for just a price of one GPU, you can get both Xbox and PS and don't need to upgrade anything. For cheaper GPU, you would actually get worse performance than the console. Why would you go for one?
You quoting a 2018 article that doesn’t also understand the difference between shipped and sold too sigh...
https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/12/7211395/xbox-one-10-million-sales
Straight from the horses mouth it says shipped not sold.
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Yeah, if you’re getting into PC gaming, it will probably cost you a lot more. If you are already a PC gamer then £500 plus a graphics card sold will probably smash a series x. I really don’t know about PS5 SSD and their devs utilisation of it but it’s not going to be groundbreaking.
Okay I was under the impression that initial numbers were close and the gap widened after 1 year. Still I guess the Xbox one did fairly okay in its first year considering how bad its launch was. It blew away all the good will MS had earned with Xbox 360. This gen it doesn't have that and unless Sony pulls a PS3, I don't see how it can manage to increase its sales number.
I loved Xbox 360 would have gone for Xbox one at the start of this gen but due to relocation ( ( college and work) issues, I went into this generation late and by that time Sony was obvious choice. Now I don't think I would switch back to MS. Unless Sony makes PS3 mistake, I don't see how it's user base is going down.
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I dunno, I've seen a lot of people on Reddit saying it's why they're either staying with Xbox or switching from PS. I don't think it appeals quite that much to everyone though
A lot depends on pricing for MS. They already started doing mobile type contracts for Xbox X. They going to carry that on with the Series X. That’s going to help people as not everyone especially due to Covid is going to drop £500 or whatever it costs on new consoles and stuff.
I’d be surprised if PS5 surpasses the first year PS4 had due to how the economy will be. It would have been difficult without Covid as PS4 sold well.
The PS4 still has quite a few years left in it too. We yet to see any third party exclusive next gen games. We seen upgrades and shit, but nothing that’s only coming out on new consoles. Third party publishers are not going to give up the 100m plus PS4 users for a few good years. Even MS some of their games are cross gen. So that’s my biggest concern with next gen that the first few years will be too much cross gen.
Sony SSD in isolation is not groundbreaking as GEN 4 SSD will be available for PC later this year or next year. Where it differs is the priority lanes (6 vs 2 in consumer SSD) and custom silicon I/O that resolves a lot of legacy issues. MS has velocity architecture but very little is known and it is mostly not hardware based implementation. Sony I/O solution also handles decompression while Xbox and PC depends on their CPU do that which is quite compute intensive. Not sure how these translate to better gaming performance or design as I don't have any experience in that but this Linus video gives a glimpse of that. Also Cerny "Road to PS5" video is quite informative if you wish to know more about that.
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Indeed.
I never understand this weird thing that PC gamers do when they have to come into a discussion and insist “Why would you get a console when you can just do X for a pc that makes it much better”
I personally hope the xbox fails miserably, i don't want this gamepass and non ownership of games to become the norm.
xbox also introduced charging to play games you have already purchased online now people who play consoles don't even question it, hope it fails miserably.
I've got a pre order in for a PS5 but not sure i'll take it up when the time arrives, i'm sort of over ever increasing resolutions and textures.
I prefer a clean looking game with great gameplay that runs super smooth 144hz or above.
Graphics have reached a point for me where its pretty irrelevant now.
xbox also introduced charging to play games you have already purchased online now people who play consoles don't even question it, hope it fails miserably.
I've got a pre order in for a PS5 but not sure i'll take it up when the time arrives, i'm sort of over ever increasing resolutions and textures.
I prefer a clean looking game with great gameplay that runs super smooth 144hz or above.
Graphics have reached a point for me where its pretty irrelevant now.
You do realise you can buy the games on gamepass separately? So not sure what ownership has to do with it. You can buy Gears 5 in the shops if you want.
Wishing a console to fail is sad. Improved Xbox pushes Sony. Sonys first party in the PS1 and PS2 days weren’t all that. They relied massively on third party. Just look at the PS1 Classic compared to NES classic. Games like GTA used to come on PS first. But with the 360 that changed all the major third party supported it, which meant Sony had to improve their first party output. Which they did for the latter years of PS3 and PS4. That’s just a small example of how MS pushed Sony.
You conveniently forgot to mention how MS also changed online gaming on consoles. It’s why the 360 will go down as one of the greatest consoles. Sony pretty much copied MS in that department. Nobody forced Sony or Nintendo to charge for online.
Out of interest why? I don’t own any of the TV/Films and music I watch/listen to now, not really fussed if gaming goes the same way and you just pay a monthly fee with the ability to play any game you want.
You mean...just like any other fanboys?
There's not a lot to understand. Look at the thread you are in
360 will never go down as one of the greatest console ever made for the simple fact it was manufactured with a console breaking architecture.
I loved getting the hair dryer out or waiting a few weeks as they shipped me back my console, online was fantastic on the 360 doesn't mean we had to be charged for it they saw a market pushed it and people ate it up, there is plenty of examples of people trying to enforce stuff in the PC market where enough people have stood against it that it was never implemented.
As for not owning the product i just see this less likely to push for greater games/new IP's as without having to go in the open market and sell your product the demand for quality is not as vast.
I don't think Sony would of pushed so many unique and top quality story driven games if they were just handed out on a subscription basis, this is just my feeling.
I'm totally aware people can buy it physically but the average console gamer (COD/Fifa every year) will eat up the subscription fee without thinking longer term, i just think the model as a whole is bad for the industry.
Micro transactions are bad enough this method reeks of adding more and more
No worries. I'm a PC gamer myself (3700x, 32gb ram, 2080 Super, etc.) but I can understand why people would go for a console instead. Got an Xbone for Halo myself. Though you can now play most of those on PC too.Sorry guys.
While I’m on the topic of these game subscription models how long till I need 4 to get the games from 4 major studios.
How long till I’m drip fed adverts before I can play said game.
How long till you’re getting early access or extra stuff for using their subscription model.
How long till work in progress games see a release and I’m drop fed content as and when.
Game mods on a closed system won’t exist, modding community gone. Surprisingly some of the most popular games were originally mods of existing products.
If I get banned from said system all the money I’ve piled in zero to show for it
Being forced to run the games through the windows App Store which is absolutely awful, just as bad as all these stupid steam wannabes you get on the pc platform.
You can just see a mile off where this is going and it’s not a positive outcome if you look pass the initial £10 a month unlimited games bollocks IMO
How long till I’m drip fed adverts before I can play said game.
How long till you’re getting early access or extra stuff for using their subscription model.
How long till work in progress games see a release and I’m drop fed content as and when.
Game mods on a closed system won’t exist, modding community gone. Surprisingly some of the most popular games were originally mods of existing products.
If I get banned from said system all the money I’ve piled in zero to show for it
Being forced to run the games through the windows App Store which is absolutely awful, just as bad as all these stupid steam wannabes you get on the pc platform.
You can just see a mile off where this is going and it’s not a positive outcome if you look pass the initial £10 a month unlimited games bollocks IMO
Nice rig that mate. Are you getting new ampere cards or are you happy with your super? If you are I’d sell it now before 3000 series get announced. Apparently they’ll be able support Ray tracing very well. Up to four times better or so I’ve heard. I’m actually waiting on the new cards dropping before building my new rig.
It’s called having a choice. Just like movies or TV. You can buy the box set or DVD yourself or subscribe to something that has them and 100 other shows or films. Do you have Netflix? Or even Spotify or Apple Music? How many high budget shows has Netflix had over the last few years despite being sub only. The Irishman was expensive yet had a limited cinema release.
Sony has PS now, which again you conveniently forgotten. They were first to the gate with streaming and subs. MS followed them with Xcloud and now gamepass which is way better than streaming also includes xcloud in the sub.
And despite its hardware faults the 360 will go down as a top 5 console. It was third recently in a list that the guardian posted. It changed online gaming on consoles. Maybe you should give MS some credit rather than being a blinkered fanboy.
https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/jul/16/the-25-greatest-video-game-consoles-ranked
I bet next you going to blame MS for Sony releasing a digital only PS5. Digital is going up and physical is going down. This probably could be the last consoles that come with disc drives. Soon you won’t physically own the games you own. Another one for you to blame MS.
Sony follow market trends just like with charging for online. If they see profit in anything they will go for it like all businesses. They could have carried on with our console is free online just like PS3, but if you want to subscribe you get free games. They went for the smarter option for them, which meant MS had to react and started giving away 4 free games a month too. £40 for a year and you get 2 games or 4 on Xbox a month you would think by 2020 people would find something else to moan about. If you want free online play you have a choice for that and it’s called PC. Ask @MaxiPaxi about it.
Last of us 2 did 3 million copies digital. Sony won’t ignore those sales. They’d want more people to go digital because it means you are tied to buying games directly from them and they get a bigger cut on the PS store than selling it physically.
Must have missed the adverts when I was playing Gears 5 or outer worlds on gamepass. What next you going to bitch about Fortnite being free and having concerts? Obsidian and the other studios MS bought are going to have the biggest budget they ever had. How is that a bad thing? Now I know MS haven’t got great history with some acquired studios. But Sony have also closed down quite a few studios just like EA and Activision.
Giving gamers a choice is great. If you want to own physical media then you still have that choice. If you want to subscribe to something you also have that choice. Having subs option doesn’t mean games will suffer. Fortnite was free and it changed gaming.
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