Protests following the killing of George Floyd

nimic said:
Did you mean to post a video where Trump's answer to the question about "both sides" is to talk about how violent the left is, or was that a mistake? Because it seems you just made my point for me.



You're a true wordsmith.
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I assumed your comment about good people on both sides was just that. Not how violent the left is. I don't pride myself as a wordsmith. I try to articulate thoughts the best I can. It's not always easy. Apologies if I leave you wanting more.. I'm sure we wont have big disagreements concerning Trump. Lets just leave it here?
 
JPRouve said:
You said that it's near non-existent which is wrong. The rest of your post is again obfuscation which isn't a big word but the one describing what you are doing in this post. I don't have to consider any level of intelligence, someone very smart can be a racist as can someone really dumb, it's an irrelevant point to make in a conversation about the existence of racism in the west. Also why would I care about the population of Denmark or Norway, it's a useless point to make would you apply that same logic to the population of China?
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I'm not sure what's left to argue here. I'm pretty sure I conceded whatever points you made. Except maybe the size of words, but I'll leave you to your opinion on that. Should we end this?
 
e.cantona said:
That's 663 words :(

My argument was 60 years is a blink of an eye in terms of the timescale. The point wasn’t “see where we are now, it was much worse 200.000 years ago” obviously…, rather now vs 60/200/2000 years ago. Emphasis on 60. In the west there has been a complete turnaround in backward thinking in that time period. This type of thing don’t happen in a generation. It happens in generations.

I’d argue change is rapid. Unprecedented, in fact. The last 75 years have seen change never paralleled in history. I might be in favour of some sort of quota in higher positions. But I am very undecided. It has to be competence in the end deciding.

Discrimination is a real thing. Unconscious or not. Bias is ever present, every decision we take. But to claim discrimination, just because, I’m not sure, it exists? I don’t agree with that. Me hiring someone to work with, every day, I promise you I will have a bias on type of person. That do not equal discrimination. Discrimination and bias are two vastly different concepts in my head.
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Sorry, short-winded isn't really my thing. :)

I think a full reply to your post would take us in circles, so I'll make a few short comments and then I'll leave it at that. So:
  • 'Competence deciding': if you are not aware of your unconscious biases, then the first step in your decision-making process (weeding out candidates) will largely be based on discrimination. See my earlier posts, and @UweBein's just above. The competence argument is indeed what stops women from reaching top positions; and there is a library of research showing that it's nonsense in terms of actual capacities.
  • You are right that bias is not discrimination; bias is a mindset, discrimination is an action. But bias is the mindset that leads to discrimination. I mean, what else is discrimination based on, if not on biases (synonym in this context: stereotypes) regarding population groups.
 
Cheimoon said:
Sorry, short-winded isn't really my thing. :)

I think a full reply to your post would take us in circles, so I'll make a few short comments and then I'll leave it at that. So:
  • 'Competence deciding': if you are not aware of your unconscious biases, then the first step in your decision-making process (weeding out candidates) will largely be based on discrimination. See my earlier posts, and @UweBein's just above. The competence argument is indeed what stops women from reaching top positions; and there is a library of research showing that it's nonsense in terms of actual capacities.
  • You are right that bias is not discrimination; bias is a mindset, discrimination is an action. But bias is the mindset that leads to discrimination. I mean, what else is discrimination based on, if not on biases (synonym in this context: stereotypes) regarding population groups.
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The meaning of words, but I'm sure we agree more than one might think.

I have no argument against the competence of women. Or any other group.

I'll keep my ever changing biases though :)
 
forevrared said:




They didn't seem to be humiliated as they happily passed out signed copies of the photo to people.
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How to get rich(er) in America :

1. Be a massive asshole about something that can be spun politically
2. Wait for media blitz
3. Embrace the crazies agreeing with your "right" to be an asshole. Profit.
3. When 3 starts running dry - start complaining how hard your life has been because you were an asshole
4. Wait for people to come to you who think you developed a conscience. Profit.
 
NYPD used excessive force during George Floyd protests, city investigation finds

NEW YORK - The New York Police Department used excessive force during the wave of protests across the city this summer against police brutality and racism, according to a report published on Friday morning by New York City’s Department of Investigation.​
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Mayor Bill de Blasio asked for the investigation in May as social media became deluged with cellphone videos showing police officers dousing protesters, elected officials and journalists with chemical irritants, shoving and hitting them while they struggled on the ground and, in one instance, driving police vehicles into them.​
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The report said the NYPD’s response was excessive in part because most police officers involved had not received “relevant training” in policing protests.​
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“The NYPD’s use of force and certain crowd control tactics to respond to the Floyd protests produced excessive enforcement that contributed to heightened tensions,” the Department of Investigation said in the executive summary of its 111-page report.​

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ge-floyd-protests-city-investigation-n1251688

Report PDF: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doi/rep... Reponse. GeorgeFloyd Protests.12.18.2020.pdf
 
Olly Gunnar Solskjær said:
NYPD used excessive force during George Floyd protests, city investigation finds

NEW YORK - The New York Police Department used excessive force during the wave of protests across the city this summer against police brutality and racism, according to a report published on Friday morning by New York City’s Department of Investigation.​
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Mayor Bill de Blasio asked for the investigation in May as social media became deluged with cellphone videos showing police officers dousing protesters, elected officials and journalists with chemical irritants, shoving and hitting them while they struggled on the ground and, in one instance, driving police vehicles into them.​
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The report said the NYPD’s response was excessive in part because most police officers involved had not received “relevant training” in policing protests.​
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“The NYPD’s use of force and certain crowd control tactics to respond to the Floyd protests produced excessive enforcement that contributed to heightened tensions,” the Department of Investigation said in the executive summary of its 111-page report.​

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ge-floyd-protests-city-investigation-n1251688

Report PDF: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doi/reports/pdf/2020/DOIRpt.NYPD Reponse. GeorgeFloyd Protests.12.18.2020.pdf
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In other news, city investigation confirms ice is frozen water.
 
I was just wasting a bit of time looking at satellite shots of monuments, and saw this:

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I knew that 'Black Lives Matter' had been painted onto the street. But I didn't realise it was visible on Google Maps.

I thought it was pretty cool that you could actually see an unfolding current event from space.
 
Dante said:
I was just wasting a bit of time looking at satellite shots of monuments, and saw this:

capturewljub.jpg


I knew that 'Black Lives Matter' had been painted onto the street. But I didn't realise it was visible on Google Maps.

I thought it was pretty cool that you could actually see an unfolding current event from space.
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I figured it was huge from photos of people on the street during recent protests, but I didn't realize it was that well aligned with the White House. Well done.
 
I saw this picture today:

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It's from a First Nations community (as they are called in Canada) from northwestern Ontario that has been under a boil water advisory since 1995. Obviously, then, they feel the governments don't care about them - as expressed in this text.

It made me think about the All Lives Matter idiots again. Looking at this photo here, no-one would say that these people are suggesting that only Neskantaga lives matter. That would make no logical sense. What's the difference with Black Lives Matter? (Yes, this is a theoretical rhetorical question.)
 
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Dante said:
I was just wasting a bit of time looking at satellite shots of monuments, and saw this:

capturewljub.jpg


I knew that 'Black Lives Matter' had been painted onto the street. But I didn't realise it was visible on Google Maps.

I thought it was pretty cool that you could actually see an unfolding current event from space.
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Google Maps isn’t showing ours yet.
 
NotThatSoph said:
I didn't quite know where to put this, but Kyle Rittehnouse - the guy out on bail after shooting two people during a protest - is hanging around in bars with Proud Boys flashing signs.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-new...naded-with-proud-boys-song-at-mt-pleasant-bar
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Within a few minutes of entering the bar, Rittenhouse was also "loudly serenaded" by five adult men in his group with the song, "Proud of Your Boy" - an obscure song written for the 1992 Disney film "Aladdin," prosecutors state.

The white supremacist group, the Proud Boys, was in fact named after this song, and the song is sung by members of the group, the motion says.
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:lol: just when I thought the Proud Boys couldn't be any more homo-erotic than they already are, they come out with this.
 
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