They are there for Maguire
It surprises me posters still question why we protest the Glazers
See I’m all for any fan that is Glazers out but the protest is years late as we have spent 1Billion since SAF retired and it’s bad signings that is the reason we are where we are.
The glazers take the blame for running the club awful with Woodward and hiring managers etc
Only way to really have impact is to stop going to games completely. Not going for 17 minutes doesn’t have any affect on them. You still paid for the tickets, still lining their pockets.
That’s without mentioning the fact that if you don’t buy tickets, someone somewhere else will.
Tickets to united are like goldust.
That is the problem with stopping going to games is that we are so big it would never work. We will always fill out stadium no matter whatOnly way to really have impact is to stop going to games completely. Not going for 17 minutes doesn’t have any affect on them. You still paid for the tickets, still lining their pockets.
That’s without mentioning the fact that if you don’t buy tickets, someone somewhere else will.
Tickets to united are like goldust.
The only way to have any impact without coming across as egotistical, is to try to have a dialogue with them, to express in a calm and rational way, what we as fans would like to see improved.
None of this shouting, or letting off of flares nonsense.
They have all of the power, we have none, that really is cold hard facts.
We have to get behind the groups that are trying to have a dialogue with the Glazers, and all of these protests, they just put the process back further.
That is the problem with stopping going to games is that we are so big it would never work. We will always fill out stadium no matter what
The fact that I live in Ireland and am part of supporters club with nearly 1000 members.exactly. People travel from all corners of the Earth to watch this team, selling tickets is never a problem.
The fact that I live in Ireland and am part of supporters club with nearly 1000 members.
Factor in Ireland has only 5 million people and there is another 51 supporter clubs in the country alone. So you can imagine what Europe and Asia is like. We are so big that it takes away the option of not going to games as protest because someone else will
exactly that. They know this aswell. They know there will be plenty tickets sold. Enough people will support the club and buy the merch. They will only sell it or shape up when it stops making money. If only every single united fan on the planet could come together and just boycott it. They would sell it quicker than Chelsea!
The issue is, we are too big, we have too many fans, to have any sort of agreement over anything, you also have to factor on ego's, as those closer to the ground, and who have the ability to go to Old Trafford, and Leigh Sports Village to watch both of our first teams, will think more or less that their views are more important than those from elsewhere.
To get an agreement on anything will be impossible, people will have a tendency to put forward only what they are interested in, and not what anyone else is.
That is part of why we see so many splinter protests, of people just doing their own thing, take that embarrassing bedsheet thing earlier on today.
Because there is no coherent, single message, there are lots of mixed ones, and people don't know why we are protesting, or what our aims are, what we hope to achieve, and due to these mixed messages, the owners just ignore them.
The only way to even remotely get them to change anything, is by talking calmy to them, in a rational way.
They of course hold all of the cards, they don't have to implement anything if they don't want to, as what will be the consequences if they don't??
A few people chanting outside Old Trafford for a few hours, well, they will take that, as that won't stop the money coming in.
So we as fans are in a no win situation sadly, this isn't in our hands, it is very much in theirs.
So making a lot of noise for a few hours, yeah it will make headlines for a brief moment in time, but as with everything, something else will come along and take the headlines away from it.
So, tomorrow's protest, if it even goes ahead, will be ego driven, pointless, meaningless, and without any merit to it.
Presume this is all related?
I am tired of people going online to give criticism about protests without offering alternatives or solutions.
We all don't like the owners of the club but at least these people are doing something. What are we doing?
A football club is a business first and foremost but let' not pretend it's an ordinary business. The idea that fans shouldn't air their views because they don't own the club is bizarre.I hate the glazers, what they represent, and what they have done with the club.
I as a fan have no say though, it's not my club, this is not a democracy, this is not political. This is a company, they can do what they want. So I don't get this, just looks a bit childish.
I am tired of people going online to give criticism about protests without offering alternatives or solutions.
We all don't like the owners of the club but at least these people are doing something. What are we doing?
Maybe. But rather than just saying "this is nothing, this is useless", a better discussion would be what steps fans can take to make their voices heard. I don't agree with protests, didn’t like the one against Liverpool but I also don't agree with this nihilistic approach we usually have when fans want to organise something.Alternatives to what goal? They are doing nothing.
You can air your views, but there is no reason for anyone to care.A football club is a business first and foremost but let' not pretend it's an ordinary business. The idea that fans shouldn't air their views because they don't own the club is bizarre.
You can air your views, but there is no reason for anyone to care.
Not buying a ticket and avoiding the match just allows another person to attend.
Thousands of empty seats until the 17th minute for a United PL game at Old Trafford will speak volumes.
Happy protest day! #GlazersOut
Maybe. But rather than just saying "this is nothing, this is useless", a better discussion would be what steps fans can take to make their voices heard. I don't agree with protests, didn’t like the one against Liverpool but I also don't agree with this nihilistic approach we usually have when fans want to organise something.
Agree this, with regard to the owners I feel it’s ‘better the devil you know’.Being Glazers Out, is completely irrational, and wrong, unless the person has any clue just who they think will take their place.
Going to a protest to chant "We Want Glazers Out!!" Is the completely wrong thing to do, and actually harms the process, and plays right into their hands.
None of this is true.Why do we always blame the Glazers? The Glazers have spent money on players and given us what we want. Its their club, If we dont like it, lets all the fans in the world bring their savings and make them a crazy offer that they cant refuse
If we were winning trophies, we wouldn't care about the Glazers, talkless of board management
Agree this, with regard to the owners I feel it’s ‘better the devil you know’.
At the moment the problem lies with the players who don’t seem to give a toss.
Just chanting "We Want Gkazers Out!", and letting off flares, is an embarrassment, and anyone doing so, really is clueless.
That does nothing to help the situation.
There is no point in this protest, except to placate the ego's of those that partake in it.
It will not change a single thing at the club, nothing at all.
The only way to stand any chance of seeing any changes, is by having calm, and rational dialogue, none of this loud, foaming at the mouth, drunken stuff.
Anyone thinking that helps in any way, should be ignored.
We need a clear message of what changes should be happening, but we can't do that whilst people are doing their own self importance thing, with shoddy bedsheets.
The issue is, we don't as a fanbase, know what we want, there are plenty of issues, but we can't agree on what order we would like to see them completed.
I could come up with an order sheet, and other people could come up with theirs, and they could all be very different from each other.
That is the issue here, we are not all singing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak.
Divide and conquer, is a brilliant method, and that is what has happened with us as fans, we are very much divided over what we want to see happen at our club, and as such the owners have conquered us.
We have people splintering off into little groups here and there, doing their own thing, thinking they are right, and others with a different message, thanking that in fact, no THEY are the ones with the correct message.
When in fact neither are correct, and both are just blurring the bigger picture point.
Today's protest will go ahead, I have no doubt, it will be over Twitter for a few hours, people will get a cheap, quick buzz, and a few likes etc, but then, it will be over, they will go home, and then that will be it.
Nothing will have changed, and life, and business will carry on as normal.
Got to be totally honest here and the fan base just look like spoilt brats at times. We had protests last season which got the Livepool game abandoned. Don’t get me wrong that was because of the super league but there were still protests against the Glazers. The club spent over £100m in the summer buying Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo. At that point no fan would have predicted the season we had this year. Now suddenly we are playing terribly that’s down to the Glazers?
The owners are not great for the club but where is the consistency of these protests? Why didn’t this happen 5 years ago? To little too late unfortunately. The time to protest was when Woodward was making a complete disaster of the club.
@MUW4Eva speaking a lot of sense in here.
You can’t just ‘protest against the Glazers’.. what’s the aim? What’s the message? What is it that you specifically want to change? Again, this protest comes across as being unhappy that we’re having a shit season, even if that’s not what it is, unless somebody can come up with a campaign with a strong, clear message for people to get behind, it’s always going to fall a bit flat
Did you just create an account so that you can moan about protesters in your spare time?
Yes you can. The aim is to let them know we’re not happy with their ownership, why overthink it. The Glazers are the owners and it’s down to them to figure out how to run the club successfully. “The fans” can absolutely protest how badly things have been run, of which our poor season is a symptom.
I’ve seen defence of the Glazer’s on here based on what they’ve done since the last protest. There was no specific plan going into the protest, that came afterwards through dialogue which was forced via protest. So either you think the Glazer’s are great, you think the protest worked last time and forced some change. Or like others, you think it’s all lip service and they haven’t actually changed anything.
The idea that we are a better fanbase than other clubs was always a nonsesne to begin with. Forgetting the Glazers, I don't think there's anything wrong with protesting shit performances and players and telling them to get out as long as it's peaceful and not abusive. My point is the general attitude we have when fans organise something, not necessarily this particular protest. We always seem to dismiss every planned action.If United fans admit that protests are nothing else than the equivalent of Madrid's white handkerchief and that they are no better or worse than any other big club fanbase then I will support the protest. What bothers me is the holier than thou attitude when it's just about being nostalgic of the SAF era. Also it's clear that those same people would have asked for the Edwards family to get out during the pre SAF era.
Just chanting "We Want Gkazers Out!", and letting off flares, is an embarrassment, and anyone doing so, really is clueless.
That does nothing to help the situation.
There is no point in this protest, except to placate the ego's of those that partake in it.
It will not change a single thing at the club, nothing at all.
The only way to stand any chance of seeing any changes, is by having calm, and rational dialogue, none of this loud, foaming at the mouth, drunken stuff.
Anyone thinking that helps in any way, should be ignored.
We need a clear message of what changes should be happening, but we can't do that whilst people are doing their own self importance thing, with shoddy bedsheets.
The issue is, we don't as a fanbase, know what we want, there are plenty of issues, but we can't agree on what order we would like to see them completed.
I could come up with an order sheet, and other people could come up with theirs, and they could all be very different from each other.
That is the issue here, we are not all singing from the same hymn sheet, so to speak.
Divide and conquer, is a brilliant method, and that is what has happened with us as fans, we are very much divided over what we want to see happen at our club, and as such the owners have conquered us.
We have people splintering off into little groups here and there, doing their own thing, thinking they are right, and others with a different message, thanking that in fact, no THEY are the ones with the correct message.
When in fact neither are correct, and both are just blurring the bigger picture point.
Today's protest will go ahead, I have no doubt, it will be over Twitter for a few hours, people will get a cheap, quick buzz, and a few likes etc, but then, it will be over, they will go home, and then that will be it.
Nothing will have changed, and life, and business will carry on as normal.
The only time supporters were heard was when they stormed Old Trafford and got the Liverpool game postponed.
Now a season later the team is arguably just as shit if not worse.
There needs to be regular protests week in, week out.
But then half the fans don't give a shit.
