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Pro Evolution Soccer 2012
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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I don't. I'm hugely bored of FIFA11 because it's exactly like FIFA10...and I played that 2 years ago..
I don't play on beginner, or amateur or anything, I just dont play on the hardest level. I also don't just like scoring easy goals, I deliberately avoid them actually. But I like scoring difficult, cool looking goals to be easier to do.
Simples.
I'm getting really into this btw...Despite it's many flaws.
I don't play on beginner, or amateur or anything, I just dont play on the hardest level. I also don't just like scoring easy goals, I deliberately avoid them actually. But I like scoring difficult, cool looking goals to be easier to do.
Simples.
I'm getting really into this btw...Despite it's many flaws.
Just gave it a quik go. I'm hoping the actual game will be nothing like this at all?
Some things are good.
For example, I quickly found myself playing passes to where I thought team mates should be running to, because they usually were. As opposed to previous efforts where you'd find yourself having to do the Hargreaves circle about 5 times before your fullback clocks on that you're waiting for an overlap.
Crossing the ball is no longer like firing a turbo missile out of a cannon.
Didn't last long enough to find out whether that thing where EVERYONE on your team decides to spend the entire last 20 minutes of the game stood about 5 yards offside happens.
On the bad side...er, most other things. I turned it off after the fourth unfathomably stupid goal went in (this one having deflected off Rio's foot and curled inexplicably round the outside of De Gea with al the pace of a dead rabbit decomposing.
THE NETS HAVE NOT BEEN FIXED - and Konami still haven't figured out that sometimes players pass the ball into the goal, rather than fire it into the net faster than the speed of light.
The ratings are extremely odd too. They've decided to address the Hernandez/Owen imbalance, by not improving Hernandez at all and simply making Owen nearly as shit as him. Do they spend all year examaning player's facial expressions and then just guess how good they are at football?
I hope it ends up A LOT better than this. I don't want another year of hoping Fifa wont turn out to be as shit as everyone pretends it isn't.
Some things are good.
For example, I quickly found myself playing passes to where I thought team mates should be running to, because they usually were. As opposed to previous efforts where you'd find yourself having to do the Hargreaves circle about 5 times before your fullback clocks on that you're waiting for an overlap.
Crossing the ball is no longer like firing a turbo missile out of a cannon.
Didn't last long enough to find out whether that thing where EVERYONE on your team decides to spend the entire last 20 minutes of the game stood about 5 yards offside happens.
On the bad side...er, most other things. I turned it off after the fourth unfathomably stupid goal went in (this one having deflected off Rio's foot and curled inexplicably round the outside of De Gea with al the pace of a dead rabbit decomposing.
THE NETS HAVE NOT BEEN FIXED - and Konami still haven't figured out that sometimes players pass the ball into the goal, rather than fire it into the net faster than the speed of light.
The ratings are extremely odd too. They've decided to address the Hernandez/Owen imbalance, by not improving Hernandez at all and simply making Owen nearly as shit as him. Do they spend all year examaning player's facial expressions and then just guess how good they are at football?
I hope it ends up A LOT better than this. I don't want another year of hoping Fifa wont turn out to be as shit as everyone pretends it isn't.
Game is very unrealistic. I played as United and scored from a corner! 
As noodle said the ratings seem extremely odd. Hernandez got a C in speed, Nani C in technique etc. Hopefully that'll be fixed in the final version.
As noodle said the ratings seem extremely odd. Hernandez got a C in speed, Nani C in technique etc. Hopefully that'll be fixed in the final version.
Don't get your hopes up, Konami rarely change major things from demo to final retail version. I hate this current PES engine I wish they would have rebuilt it from scratch. To me its just another footy game with a 12 instead of 11 in the title and some changed squads.
I've just had a barnstorming game 5-4 against Milan. Nani winning it in the 85th from an Ashley Young low cross...Great goals all round. Enjoying it tbh.
Check the article Brophs posted - seems to suggest demo is quite different from preview code that some have played. I'm hoping so at least.
Played 2 games in the demo now and I don't like it one bit. Can't quite put my finger on what it is that's annoying me, it's just the whole thing really. It just doesn't feel right. Been playing PES for years, but unless the full version is quite different from the demo I can't see myself playing it this year.
I'll see if I can play a few more games tomorrow and see if I just need to get used to it. Will post updates then if my mind changes.
Meh. Its alright once you get into it but I can't see myself playing this for more than a month or two. Doesn't seem to have the depth of classic PES.
Same shit on a different skin, they're all comic updates, their game engine haven't change much.
It just take a few hours of excitement before this game bcomes another one of the same old same old PES. As always
The only good thing about buying a new one is that you get updated lineups and tweaks on youngster like Cleverly and Smailing.
Other than that, if you just need something to play with your mate, any PES can do the job.
It just take a few hours of excitement before this game bcomes another one of the same old same old PES. As always
The only good thing about buying a new one is that you get updated lineups and tweaks on youngster like Cleverly and Smailing.
Other than that, if you just need something to play with your mate, any PES can do the job.
I agree. After about 15 years or so of the same shit over & over again i'm bored with it. If you see what NBA2K have done then FIFA & PES are way behind as sport games.
For me the demo was practically flawless, enjoyed it very much.
My only concern is that sometimes it is too easy to pass, seems like there are too few misplaced passes.
My only concern is that sometimes it is too easy to pass, seems like there are too few misplaced passes.
What is it nba2k have done? Is that an EA title?
The demo was rubbish and proved once again that PES these days seems to be developed by a team of idiots made for idiots. Why the heck is it so hard to control my defence. One opposition player can practically dribble past every one of your defenders, and when you press the button to make a challenge, the defender takes so much time before getting the tackle out, even that misses. Passing is improved, but that wasn't hard given last year's complete crap passing. Why do the players always shoot like they're firing rockets? Animations still look robotic, goalkeepers are still rubbish. I know it's only a demo and they have time to iron out problems. But with this amount of problems to solve, I doubt they can do it. It will be another flawed game this year.
It's okay, definitely an improvement on last years.
The robotic-ness of the players is as noticeable this time around. But it still doesn't feel right, the flow of the game seems a little stiff. You don't really feel comfortable receiving the ball, controlling it, and taking on a player. Instead you just hit 'pass' which leads to a game of ping-pong football.
Shooting seemed good, but keepers are awful. I hit a few shots from outside the box that would be considered a 'floater' with little power, yet the keeper just punches the ball in front of himself allowing the opposition to slot away. I'm sure they'll improve this in time for release though.
Visually, it's very nice, the graphics are great, and I've read that the demo has been toned down a lot!? I really like the in-game replays, the angles are a lot better than EA's attempt... but those two features are the only departments ahead of Fifa in my books.
The robotic-ness of the players is as noticeable this time around. But it still doesn't feel right, the flow of the game seems a little stiff. You don't really feel comfortable receiving the ball, controlling it, and taking on a player. Instead you just hit 'pass' which leads to a game of ping-pong football.
Shooting seemed good, but keepers are awful. I hit a few shots from outside the box that would be considered a 'floater' with little power, yet the keeper just punches the ball in front of himself allowing the opposition to slot away. I'm sure they'll improve this in time for release though.
Visually, it's very nice, the graphics are great, and I've read that the demo has been toned down a lot!? I really like the in-game replays, the angles are a lot better than EA's attempt... but those two features are the only departments ahead of Fifa in my books.
Goalkeepers are actually retarded.
Played a few games last night and just played a few now. Its just horrible.
EDIT: Just scored a bicycle kick with Seedorf from 25 yards. Not sure whether that's a good or a bad thing.
EDIT: Just scored a bicycle kick with Seedorf from 25 yards. Not sure whether that's a good or a bad thing.
I think you're just a shit player.There are new controls for defending, work on them and you'll realize that defending isn't that difficult.
Same here for most of that.
I'm not going to even bother if they make it this retarded on first impressions. I don't even see how even after getting used to it, it will get better.
I haven't played it again yet, but I think my main gripe is it's just too blatantly last year's game tweaked a bit. That worked back in the PS2 days when you had a smooth running game which everyone was happy with. Now, that isn't the case...not for the thrid/fourth year in a row anyway. Too many of the flaws are too apparent and a result of the game engine rather than something that can be ironed out by simply removing a few bugs or tweaking things here and there.
It's the same with Fifa. I feel like I've been buying the same two games each over and over for the last three/four years. PES has done more improving, but that's because Fifa had a decent game back in 09 and have simply done feck all with it, where as PES started with a pile o shite and have been gradually dressing it up into a decent game...but they're both incredibly worn now, and neither is nearly perfect enough to get away with it.
Something new next year please.
It's the same with Fifa. I feel like I've been buying the same two games each over and over for the last three/four years. PES has done more improving, but that's because Fifa had a decent game back in 09 and have simply done feck all with it, where as PES started with a pile o shite and have been gradually dressing it up into a decent game...but they're both incredibly worn now, and neither is nearly perfect enough to get away with it.
Something new next year please.
When did this release!?
Is it out on the Playstation Store?
2K sports is another game developer. Their NBA2K and Top Spin 4 are, IMO, two of the most brilliant sports games out there right now (despite me not really liking basketball btw). Those two are proper sports games that have excellent gameplay. NBA2K's presentation is ridiculously good. Forget gampleay where FIFA is miles behind, even in presentation FIFA looks half a decade older.
Is it out on the Playstation Store?
2K sports is another game developer. Their NBA2K and Top Spin 4 are, IMO, two of the most brilliant sports games out there right now (despite me not really liking basketball btw). Those two are proper sports games that have excellent gameplay. NBA2K's presentation is ridiculously good. Forget gampleay where FIFA is miles behind, even in presentation FIFA looks half a decade older.
This is one thing we're usually on the same page on Noodles.
The issue is, as you've stated, that both games seem to focus their energies on tweaking what they think are great gaming systems, which quite clearly isn't the case. They should look to the games 2K sports have made and see the attention to detail and realism as well as the lack of game spoiling bugs. For PES's players moving like wooden embodiments of their actual counterparts to FIFA's focus on '3 passes to score a goal' and 'fancy tricks that rarely help you on the football pitch'. Not to mention the lack of player growth in a manager mode which is quite frankly as careless a mistake you can make in a game that costs so much to make and is so commercially popular.
Note that I haven't played the latest PES demo.
With regards graphics, I expect a game such as FIFA is packing feck loads more data than a basketball game. How many teams does FIFA have compared to an NBA game for instance?
I played on whatever difficulty the demo starts off on. Within seconds I was playing the ball around, doing difficult things in football, with ease in this game. Including scoring a goalazo with Rooney with my first longshot from outside the box and a tap in from Nani with my first attack after Vidic just thumped the ball to clear it, even though I pressed the pass button, and Rooney had run onto the hoofed ball before the defender. Before long we had a high scoring game before half time.
The game was decent but this arcadey style catering to casual players isnt really my cup of tea. It wasnt bad but I'm pretty sure I'd get bored of it before long
The game was decent but this arcadey style catering to casual players isnt really my cup of tea. It wasnt bad but I'm pretty sure I'd get bored of it before long
How do you want things to be better if you're not willing to go through a certain learning curve ? Don't be lazy, I struggled big time at first with the defending, kept conceding ridiculous goals over and over again.
I'm better at it and it actually feels rewarding to intercept balls after waiting the right moment.
Just played a game on the demo, United vs. Napoli. I attack like Barcelona, but I defend like an army of Paul McShanes.
In the end I lost 3-1, but I'm quite proud of my goal. Intricate passing play between Rooney, Anderson and Nani, before Berbatov curls it in to the top left hand corner from outside the area.
In the end I lost 3-1, but I'm quite proud of my goal. Intricate passing play between Rooney, Anderson and Nani, before Berbatov curls it in to the top left hand corner from outside the area.
I'm not even talking about individual data and faces. I'm talking about overall graphics, atmosphere and presentation. The individual players are a very small part of that and that too gets more and more generic when you get to the smaller teams.
Right, so early impressions of this one having played 3-4 games isn't looking good. The general gameplay seems to have improved and I quite like how it plays out when you're on the ball. I still have to figure out defending which seems haphazard and chaotic but then I need to give it more time.
The biggest problem is this one seems to be the exact same thing that was the biggest problem with the last version of this game (apart from the players having some sort of obsession with being wooden). The CPU is simply not interested in keeping hold of the ball. They ALWAYS come at you trying to pass through you in 4 passes. I end up having more than 65 percent possession every game and it really takes away the fun of the game.
So they haven't sorted this out in almost a year and I don't see them doing so by the time the game comes out. Disappointing.
The biggest problem is this one seems to be the exact same thing that was the biggest problem with the last version of this game (apart from the players having some sort of obsession with being wooden). The CPU is simply not interested in keeping hold of the ball. They ALWAYS come at you trying to pass through you in 4 passes. I end up having more than 65 percent possession every game and it really takes away the fun of the game.
So they haven't sorted this out in almost a year and I don't see them doing so by the time the game comes out. Disappointing.
Having played 5 games I am very disappointed at what PES has become. The game feels heavy and lacks of the fluidity of FIFA. Also, I don't feel I have complete control of the players and their movement seems more restricted than what I would have expected. The computer manages to cut through my defence at will (that might be because I'm shit) and GKs are very poor. Looks like I'll be getting FIFA again.
It does lack fluidity as compared to FIFA but even so it offers up a much much wider gambit of possibilities. You can pretty much break FIFA down into 5 types of goals if you wish to. PES does offer a greater degree of control to the user in how he scores his goals.
Problem for me, once again, seems to be the AI. The passing is just ridiculous. The CPU never seems to want to even attempt a single pass that isn't aimed at trying to bypass 4 of my players. Teams don't actually play like that unless they're rubbish and playing at the home of a top team. That's where these games can lose their replayabiliy completely. I don't want to play the CPU when most of the time I'll have the ball and interspersed between them will be these attacks by the opposing team in hyper active mode.
Problem for me, once again, seems to be the AI. The passing is just ridiculous. The CPU never seems to want to even attempt a single pass that isn't aimed at trying to bypass 4 of my players. Teams don't actually play like that unless they're rubbish and playing at the home of a top team. That's where these games can lose their replayabiliy completely. I don't want to play the CPU when most of the time I'll have the ball and interspersed between them will be these attacks by the opposing team in hyper active mode.
Fan community once again will have to improve this game with mega patches and squad updates to make it fully enjoyable.
The game suffers from passing issues and unpredictable behaviour of players, especially defenders that You try so hard to control.
It's a still good game, but I miss old spirit from the past that made look Fifa like a game of chess. Not that many improvements and with today's advanced motion capture techniques, they should really make animations, more realistic.
The game suffers from passing issues and unpredictable behaviour of players, especially defenders that You try so hard to control.
It's a still good game, but I miss old spirit from the past that made look Fifa like a game of chess. Not that many improvements and with today's advanced motion capture techniques, they should really make animations, more realistic.
Didnt like the demo at all. I am well and truely finished with PES.
This year will be the 1st time in many when I will not be buying it.
I am turning to the darkside of FIFA.....which I have not played since about 1998. Has it changed much?
This year will be the 1st time in many when I will not be buying it.
I am turning to the darkside of FIFA.....which I have not played since about 1998. Has it changed much?
There are many reasons for things like that though. As mentioned above, Basketball games (and US sport games in general) need a pitance of the memory involved in football games as only about 30 teams exist in the whole game, let alone 20 each league, with 3 leagues a country on average.
Plus there's extra factors like grass, and weather effects that aren't needed in Basketball renderings. When you strip it down to all the things that are needed for a Basketball game and a football game, there's far more scope for graphical improvements in the former.
Plus there's extra factors like grass, and weather effects that aren't needed in Basketball renderings. When you strip it down to all the things that are needed for a Basketball game and a football game, there's far more scope for graphical improvements in the former.
I didn't wanna emphasize the graphics (they're excellent for the reasons you mentioned) but more like the animations, the atmosphere in the arenas and more importantly the variety in gameplay.
Football games will always be bigger but the way the 2k series has evolved in the last few years is something both EA and Konami can be inspired from.The number of options (sliders) given in this game is surreal, it can satisfy all kinda players.The hardcore gamers and the casual ones.
Football games will always be bigger but the way the 2k series has evolved in the last few years is something both EA and Konami can be inspired from.The number of options (sliders) given in this game is surreal, it can satisfy all kinda players.The hardcore gamers and the casual ones.
Is that gameplay or just a trailer, as if the latter it's hardly worth noting? The angle looks to suggest the previous.
It's all ingame Biscuit (like it has been the case for sports game in the last few years)
Exactly. It's not all about polygon count. Leaving the gameplay of their games which is miles ahead, even the whole atmosphere and 'look and feel' (not necessarily pure graphics) just look like they've been worked at in great detail. Like someone really wanted to give the best representation of the sport he could. With the football ones, it's more like "hmmm so we need grass. Let's put in some grass. Players need faces. Ok, last years ones will do. Do footballers play in Rain? Yeah we'll add that'. It just seems as though they do what is necessary rather than trying to give the most real experience they can.
I mean look at the cutscenes. What game has almost the same cutscenes for 3 years? I mean that's a serious 'what is fricking going on here' issue. Cup celebrations do not deserve to be part of the current generation of games. Look at the way the CL trophy and Premier League trophy is lifted and REPLECATE it. These aren't the toughest things to do really, especially given these people have had ages and ages to do it.
They really have gotten the gameplay so spot on so quickly.Each year they intelligently and coherently build on the previous one, there are no" we need a new engine, we're gonna start from scratch" excuses.
The atmosphere, the commentaries, everything about this game is surreal.
If the player wants it, he can actually replicate a real basketball match, they give you the possibility to either experience the match entirely in real time (time outs, half time and everything else included) and they give you to possibility to skip them only focus on the gameplay.There is marginally no black loading screen which is refreshing.
There are many things that the football games should replicate from this series.