Pro Evolution Soccer 2012

Mockney said:
What do you mean by proper nets?...White ones?...No
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are they any better than this hideous piece of shit or are they the same?

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I'm still not sure what you're asking me....What's wrong with that net?...it's too loose?

These nets look relatively tight, but they're dark, so I can't really see.

The keepers are actually still horrendous...I don't think I've scored a goal yet that a real keeper wouldn't save.
 
Mockney said:
I'm still not sure what you're asking me....What's wrong with that net?...it's too loose?

These nets look relatively tight, but they're dark, so I can't really see.

The keepers are actually still horrendous...I don't think I've scored a goal yet that a real keeper wouldn't save.
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I have. Belter with Nani, no chance.
 
Mockney said:
I'm still not sure what you're asking me....What's wrong with that net?...it's too loose?

These nets look relatively tight, but they're dark, so I can't really see.

The keepers are actually still horrendous...I don't think I've scored a goal yet that a real keeper wouldn't save.
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yes they are way too loose, whenever you score the bulge in the back of the net is so ridiculously big it makes me cringe some times

Solius said:
They look slightly perkier than that one.
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thanks
 
I can't think of anything less important than nets. Except maybe the chicken suit you used to be able to buy in the PES shop.
 
Brophs said:
I can't think of anything less important than nets. Except maybe the chicken suit you used to be able to buy in the PES shop.
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And penguin suits. Oh and you could play on ostriches.
 
Brophs said:
I can't think of anything less important than nets. Except maybe the chicken suit you used to be able to buy in the PES shop.
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yeah well i dont care what you think


lies i do really care, i would put in a sad smiley but it would ruin the white text
 
Most of us who will be judging this demo have been playing FIFA for the better part of the year. Like Mockney said, you need to be in PES mode to truly appreciate the demo.

This is where PES has a huge disadvantage. Even if they make a great return to form, people will still opt for FIFA simply because they are used to it now. The only way they'd recapture the market is if EA dick around and put out a shit FIFA.
 
I wasn't having a go, I just can't imagine noticing that sort of stuff, never mind caring. I'm usually more preoccupied with idiotic stuff like the catch up bug and every keeper playing like Scott Carson.
 
Downloading now. I only picked up PES11 a few weeks ago. I don't rate it.
 
kps88 said:
Most of us who will be judging this demo have been playing FIFA for the better part of the year. Like Mockney said, you need to be in PES mode to truly appreciate the demo.

This is where PES has a huge disadvantage. Even if they make a great return to form, people will still opt for FIFA simply because they are used to it now. The only way they'd recapture the market is if EA dick around and put out a shit FIFA.
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Completely...I even change my controllers to FIFA ones I'm so used to it (and because I've always done it, since I can't be fecked to learn a new set) so that naturally makes me want to play it like its FIFA.

What I'd suggest (and what I've just done) is putting the difficulty down one to Regular rather than Pro...I know it's cheating a bit, but it allows you to ease your way back into the PES style, play around a bit, without nearly as much frustration ...I've just done it and am having a whale of a game vs Porto.
 
Brophs said:
I wasn't having a go, I just can't imagine noticing that sort of stuff, never mind caring. I'm usually more preoccupied with idiotic stuff like the catch up bug and every keeper playing like Scott Carson.
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I had white text in there too btw, it's not a big deal really but considering how we have such great games it was always a detail I felt the developers were just too lazy to fix
 
Good to see people giving it a chance as ever.

For all it's still present failings, i's far better than the previous instalments. Only a super Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime could fail to notice that.
 
I like the sound when it hits the advertising board, the little things make a difference.
 
Thanks to my legendary internet connection I'm just about to load this up, but I saw this on winningelevenblog. Some of it might be rubbish, I don't know enough about games to say...


Postby Alan » Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:41 pm
Okay, first few games down and some quick impressions. It is worth noting that having played preview code, which is essentially a full game build with only a few modes unavailable and place holder materials, it is pretty much a complete, bona-fide multi-GB game on a disc as opposed to a 1.3GB demo. As such things do get compromised when looking to compress to a suitable size for a demo. This has been confirmed to me but I can't go into too much specifics. If you enjoy this demo though it only gets better IMO.

- Goalkeepers immediately appear worse than preview to the point of being almost place-holder. We went a spell of near 3-4hrs playing preview code where 'keeps were pretty solid but in this demo it took less than a minute for a calamitous moment to materialise.

- Passing assistance is ramped right up. Zero bars in this demo feels like an unrefined 2 bars in preview code. That is not to say that zero bars on preview was full manual, just minimum assistance besides, manual modifier is there for those little moments when you want to mix it up. Pitchside cam as a result doesn't seem to feel as good for playing.

- Shooting has improved a touch, particularly when shifting the ball to the side and striking. Still some work needing done on overall logic.

- Graphics have taken a hefty downgrade for the demo. Night time games look incomplete compared to preview. Again, this is down to demo compression I think. Less jaggies on PS3 compared to last year though and the copa libertadores game in afternoon lighting looks tremendous.

- I personally think after a quick play that some, maybe even a lot of the intricacies of dribbling and defending are not in place. I swear preview build looked and felt more agile and athletic. I'm not saying there is a poo-ton of animation work missing, just that it feels as though some - along with some smoothing out and speed in execution tweaking - might not quite be in place which will make the game feel a little more ''supple''.

- AI routines are impressive but having spoke to Adam who in turn has spoke to Jon and Steve, it appears a great deal of the AI algorithms are not present from preview/more complete builds that impact passing, movement and overall awareness; this will have a knock on effect on overall match flow and even look I dare say. Allegedly this stuff takes up a fair whack of match engine data. Still, damn impressive for what is being said is a ''trim down'' of an early build.

Impressed but like I say I do believe it only gets better and certainly needs to in some places. Hardf to pinpoint a lot of what makes me think the preview build was better but what I will say is not to fret over this demo's shortcomings too much. Obviously stuff needs fed-back but I do think certain things are already further progressed than this demo would have you believe.

Oh, quick note on atmosphere:

In the preview the crowd were much more reactive to play and I believe there was just generally ''more sound'' I'm not saying it was miles ahead of this but there was more sound detail from what I can recall. Commentary, however bad you think it is will add something as well.
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Solius said:
I like the sound when it hits the advertising board, the little things make a difference.
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I've always found the general sound of the ball hugely annoying...Especially when it's little deft passes...It's like someone hitting a giant rubber chicken against a plank of wood. Football doesn't sound like that. Presumably it's to emphasise that you've made a pass, but I know I've made a pass. I pressed pass.
 
It feels like i'm running through treacle a lot of the time.
 
Mockney said:
Good to see people giving it a chance as ever.

For all it's still present failings, i's far better than the previous instalments. Only a super Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime could fail to notice that.
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I felt it was no improvement at all, same old 45 degree turns - robot movement, kicking looks like toe pokes. Passing is the only thing that seems to stick out, it seemed like something new.
 
Yeah the 45 degree turns are still there, but the turning circle is much quicker. As is the general speed of the game and the player AI. The movement and passing is far far better than it was on the previous games..

I agree the animations are still robotic, and the main bug bear for me is that the keepers are still incredibly shite....But this is the beta demo of 2, before the game even comes out. So I'm optimistic....Cautiously.

Again, and I can't stress this enough, don't play this like it's FIFA. Cos then you're only going to be dissapointed it's not FIFA. And it's not FIFA. It's PES. Take a while to get accustomed to the button sensitivity and the speed at which the players can move, as you would with any new game that wasn't a football one, and you'll enjoy it a lot more.
 
Right, I haven't even loaded this and I'm pissed off. If you release a demo that you want people to play don't include an extremely long video at the start of each game. We'll all see what you want us to see if you just let us play the fecking game.
 
It's OK. The way players pass looks so shit. It's almost enough to put me off the entire game. Keeper's are retarded, but they are the same on FIFA.

I like that there is more error in passing though, shooting is not as controlled either. I've only played on regular so can't comment much on the AI. Players faces are brilliant, always a bonus.

I'll play it a few more times. I'm still trying to do the things I would do on FIFA which is not the best way to treat a seperate game.
 
Brophs said:
Still too many scissor kicks. Bah...
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Gattuso decided to have one for me from 35 yards out. Safe to say it went nowhere near.

Is it me or are Milan very very highly rated?

The games a bit meh so far. Movement etc feels like your player is weighed down by something making it feel slightly less fluid, but its an improvement from last year I feel. Is there a manual option on the game? Not a fan of everything being done for me.
 
Brophs said:
Right, I haven't even loaded this and I'm pissed off. If you release a demo that you want people to play don't include an extremely long video at the start of each game. We'll all see what you want us to see if you just let us play the fecking game.
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Yep. fecking retarded.
 
First impressions.

1. The ball appears to be glued to my foot.

2. Everyone seems to run at the same pace.

3. The replays look pretty sweet.

4. I hate it.
 
Mockney said:
I'm still not sure what you're asking me....What's wrong with that net?...it's too loose?

These nets look relatively tight, but they're dark, so I can't really see.

The keepers are actually still horrendous...I don't think I've scored a goal yet that a real keeper wouldn't save.
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I remember this from last year. You dont play on the hardest level. Footie games must always be played on hard. Its the law.
 
Why?

I've got life to test me. I want to have fun with games...They're games.

I cheat at them too.
 
I want to score goals easily. Scoring lots of goals is what a football game is all about.

Geeks.
 
You'll like FIFA11 then Mockney. 45 degree angle facing the goalie, finesse and you'll score 90% of the time. If that's too much to ask then pass it to the teammate for a tap in
 
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