Our best outfield lineup is probably…There's a clip where he is desperately telling them to move up. I don't think the team trusted Skelley or Kiwior. But you're right, they were there for the taking.
Do any of them make your strongest 11 though? Obviously Jesus doesn't, but what about the other 2? My point being - they were about as much loss to you as players like Amad and Maguire are to us.Timber and Partey both started THIS game. And Jesus is currently on the pitch.
Do you think it was a free kick ahead of the disallowed 3-2 goal?Will take that. Awful performance but a point away to Arsenal after going behind twice is fine.
Yeah, Timber and Partey do. They’re nothing like Amad and Maguire equivalents.Do any of them make your strongest 11 though? Obviously Jesus doesn't, but what about the other 2? My point being - they were about as much loss to you as players like Amad and Maguire are to us.
The whole defensive backline is out mate. Even white usually plays RB. I'm sure you know this from the defensive troubles you had last season? How did that work out?
Awful performance? Nope.Will take that. Awful performance but a point away to Arsenal after going behind twice is fine.
Going defensive so early is always asking for trouble. We saw a good example of that in the CL with DortmundRemind me why playing negative, defensive football with your whole back line out injured is a good way to protect a lead? Arsenal could and should have tried to increase their lead not desperately try and hold onto it.
Yeah I do.Do you think it was a free kick ahead of the disallowed 3-2 goal?
Arsenal are a better team than Liverpool imo, they're just making poor choices at the moment and having a bit of bad luck. I think it's marginal between the three. Even City have looked very shaky.Between City and Liverpool for the title. Horrible season
Played like Gabriel was sent off rather than subbed offSuch a cowardly second half by Arteta/Arsenal. A couple of defensive injuries and they park the bus. Liverpool were there for the taking.
Arteta is a good coach but his cowardice is going to cost Arsenal. I'm sure the excuses will be out again (as they always are with that lot) but they keep doing this in this new era of the team. Played the whole 2nd half like they were down to 10 once again when they were in complete control for most of the first. Liverpool barely played football but when you invite pressure just sitting off a team like that, you deserve to be punished.
Just so I’ve understood the question correctly, are you asking why a team would play more conservatively and offer their defence more protection while holding a lead against a top side when none of their first choice defenders are on the pitch and have teenager who has yet to make a league start marking Salah?Remind me why playing negative, defensive football with your whole back line out injured is a good way to protect a lead? Arsenal could and should have tried to increase their lead not desperately try and hold onto it.
Is this your heart ruling your head?If Arsenal can get all their players back, I think they can win it. City will miss Rodri and Liverpool will fade once Slotts honeymoon ends.
Really? If vvd had done the same to an attacker, is that a free kick, or a penalty?Yeah I do.
Yeah I do.
Just so I've understood your question correctly, are you asking why Arteta's teams turn into complete cowards even at home, the moment they feel like they're under some pressure, regardless of who's on the pitch?Just so I’ve understood the question correctly, are you asking why a team would play more conservatively and offer their defence more protection while holding a lead against a top side when none of their first choice defenders are on the pitch and have teenager who has yet to make a league start marking Salah?
Is that the question?
A sending off for both would've been better, but this'll have to do.I enjoyed Gravenberch kicking the ball into Trossard’s face and the foul given.
Yeah slapping a player in the face to gain an advantage generally is a foul. Taylor blew up a long way before Havertz got 1v1.Really? If vvd had done the same to an attacker, is that a free kick, or a penalty?
Sure why not.It was even less a foul than West Ham’s ridiculous penalty foul today. You lot are the chosen ones when it comes to referees and their fear of weeks of black armbands and media bollox
No, it’s not. Cause we don’t. In fact, we had a goal disallowed for the softest of challenges in the build up.Just so I've understood your question correctly, are you asking why Arteta's teams turn into complete cowards even at home, the moment they feel like they're under some pressure, regardless of who's on the pitch?
Is that the question?
DefinitelyTheo Walcott is a likeable pundit. Much better than the likes of Sturridge.
Yeah its true I agree, but unlike the Wenger teams of old we got trounced by 4-5 goals in these type of fixtures. People have short term memory and don't remember the several run of games last season where we were scoring 4/5 goals for fun on the bounce. We are obviously capable of doing it, but our current team isn't up to speed and unsettled with injuries. I have no doubt we will be back to our best when players return to fitness, probably too late for the title and again equally shows our weakness on the bench.Remind me why playing negative, defensive football with your whole back line out injured is a good way to protect a lead? Arsenal could and should have tried to increase their lead not desperately try and hold onto it.
If it's the one where the other team stopped playing because the whistle was blown well before the shot, calling that a "disallowed goal" is definitely an interesting take.No, it’s not. Cause we don’t. In fact, we had a goal disallowed for the softest of challenges in the build up.
Arsenal seem to finish stronger than Liverpool in the last couple of seasons. Arteta is more experienced than Slott in the PL. I just feel Liverpool will fade and City will miss Rodri. Just my opinion.Is this your heart ruling your head?
The goal keeper who made a save and the defender sliding on the line seemed to be playing to me, but we can agree to disagree.If it's the one where the other team stopped playing because the whistle was blown well before the shot, calling that a "disallowed goal" is definitely an interesting take.
He was begging the team to move up the field, twice. You can see it in a clip where he's livid.Arteta is a good coach but his cowardice is going to cost Arsenal. I'm sure the excuses will be out again (as they always are with that lot) but they keep doing this in this new era of the team. Played the whole 2nd half like they were down to 10 once again when they were in complete control for most of the first. Liverpool barely played football but when you invite pressure just sitting off a team like that, you deserve to be punished.
Yep. The team naturally dropped our defenders were going down injured. And to be fair to the players, the goal came from Liverpool attacking down our left hand side that now consisted of Kiwior and Lewis-Skelley, as opposed to the Gabriel and Timber duo that had kept Nunez and Salah quiet up until then. It was wasn’t an unwarranted reaction given we were defending a lead.He was begging the team to move up the field, twice. You can see it in a clip where he's livid.
Arsenal seem to finish stronger than Liverpool in the last couple of seasons. Arteta is more experienced than Slott in the PL. I just feel Liverpool will fade and City will miss Rodri. Just my opinion.
Liverpool’s second goal was also very good and something that could’ve happened regardless of personnel or tactical intentYep. The team naturally dropped our defenders were going down injured. And to be fair to the players, the goal came from Liverpool attacking down our left hand side that now consisted of Kiwior and Lewis-Skelley, as opposed to the Gabriel and Timber duo that had kept Nunez and Salah quiet up until then. It was wasn’t an unwarranted reaction given we were defending a lead.
You’d think from reading this thread that Arteta made negative substitutions or changed to a more defensive formation or something.
Theo Walcott is a likeable pundit. Much better than the likes of Sturridge.
It was a very good goal. I agree that in terms of tactical intent being a non-factor (that’s kinda the point I’ve been making in my last few posts) but I think personnel makes a huge difference here. Lewis-Skelley is a kid playing out of position (he’s actually a midfielder) and not only plays a somewhat risky ball to Martinelli, but is out of position because he makes a supporting run. That’s all fine when you’re up against a U23 winger, but you let Salah and Nunez get the run on you and it’s all over. You’re then relying on your LCB to bail you out and if that’s Gabriel, you have a decent chance. If it’s Kiwior, those chances are greatly reduced.Liverpool’s second goal was also very good and something that could’ve happened regardless of personnel or tactical intent
I preferred Keano's quip: If you want loyalty, get a dog.Carragher saying Arteta is more Mourinho than Pep at this point
