Premier League Gameweek 26

padr81 said:
Its all good buddy, I'm not saying having money pumped into the game by states is a good thing merely saying it prevented the PL from becoming predictable as Serie A. You guys were insane then and likely will be again at some stage, its more I think with your recent struggles you guys sometimes are blinded to just how good you/Sir Alex was which is a testament to how well United were run in the 90's and how great Sir Alex really was.
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Yeah for sure. Don't get me wrong either, we didn't use state money but the commercialization of the club was a huge factor in our success. We were dominate in a way not many other clubs could be when it came to business.
 
padr81 said:
Its all good buddy, I'm not saying having money pumped into the game by states is a good thing merely saying it prevented the PL from becoming predictable as Serie A. You guys were insane then and likely will be again at some stage, its more I think with your recent struggles you guys sometimes are blinded to just how good you/Sir Alex was which is a testament to how well United were run in the 90's and how great Sir Alex really was.
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How does it ? This is the bit I can’t get my head around ?
 
padr81 said:
Yeah dude, you need Woodward out or more importantly someone like Van Der Sar in. United through and through, friends with the manager, know each other inside out and a clear belief in how football should be played, but more importantly a football brain in the board room.
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Answers on a postcard to how we can ever make that happen because there looks to be no chance of it ever, it sickens me to my stomach that this clown has so much power and there isn't a damn thing we can do to stop him causing more long term damage to the club either.
 
You know the gulf is embarrassing when you have City fans on here pretending that we’re in danger of closing the gap. Tbh, we were closer to City last season than this. They’re in the process of putting clear water between us. Accept it with good grace as a United fan, instead of petty pot shots about oil money.
 
Man city and Chelsea
padr81 said:
See this is the thing, when you are at the top its very easy to say that, United have never been away from it and are in the position of being Man United. without first Chelsea and then City, the premier league would be the Bundesliga. I'm not saying rubbish like City/Chelsea saved the league but its no coincidence that its the only league that isn't a cakewalk for the big dogs. Sure every so often Dortmund or Atletico will pull off a title but without in particular Chelsea, United would have complete Bayern like domination over English football. Purely of their own making but the PL would be a United win 7-8 of every 10.

With regards United, You can't see it right now but United are too big not to come back, you are already getting closer. Cities investment despite what you read on here has slowed down quite significantly in the past 3 or so years and will continue to stay at maybe 2 players per season. You guys can match that, what you were lacking is a clear vision in the boardroom. You've had 4 managers since Sir Alex with very different philosophies and as such money has been wasted. Moyes to LVG was a huge cultural and football change, LVG to Jose and Jose to Ole the same. This meant a lot of manager inherited players who didn't fit the systems/ethos they were bringing it.

Pep on the other hand inherited a lot of old players and dead wood like Navas, Zabba, Clichy, Yaya etc.. but the club had a clear vision of how it wanted to play at boardroom level (even if that vision was "Be Barcelona (right down to the fruit loop shirts)) so the transition from Mancini to Pellers to Pep was smooth despite Mancini and Pep being very different managers, and also had core components like KDB, Silva already there. It was no culture shock for David Silva to transition to tiki taka, it almost felt like the 3 years under Pellegrini was preperation for Pep once the Spaniards arrived in the board room. Even with our money it takes time to implement a clear philosophy and City are now at the end of essentially 8 years all rowing in the same direction, you guys haven't had that and if you don't stick with Ole you have to make sure the new manager has similar beliefs and football philosophy (as in plays fast, direct counter attacking football based goals coming as quick as possible after turn overs). Anything else and you'll be knocking yourself back another 3 years. You guys just need more football people at the higher up levels, City are very lucky they poached Txiki and Soriano (two guys who know football and have a clear vision on how it should be played, along with knowing the right manager for the job). Its arguable that this is the first season where Pep has had to rely on Pep's players now Kompany, Silva etc.. are gone and Aguero looks on the way out.

Basically United will be back when they find consistency in the higher ups instead of being so reactionary. Liverpool are a shining example. Eventually they got their shit together and it took 5 years of building along with serious investment but they did it. If they did, so will United.
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Klopp spent around 400mil to win the PL and CL.

Less than Pep spend on defenders FFS.
 
Leeds vs Villa should be an interesting game, be good to see how Villa cope without Grealish, if they struggle his price might just creep up.

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thegregster said:
Man city and Chelsea


Klopp spent around 400mil to win the PL and CL.

Less than Pep spend on defenders FFS.
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Even Pep knows this. It’s as if he’s now getting a bit fed up of it. If you can field 2 world class teams it reduces the competition to a farce.
Even in the years of our domestic domination we were involved in nail biting finishes with one other.
 
Jeppers7 said:
How does it ? This is the bit I can’t get my head around ?
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As I sad pre-Chelsea you won 9 of 13 titles.. after Joses 2, you won 5 of the next 7. It was clear you were pulling away. If you exclude City and Chelsea you'd have been first in 16 of the first 21 premier league seasons (of course there are variables) but that is simply implying you won the title in seasons you finished either 1st of 2nd. Without the oil clubs you'd have won 8 titles in a row from 06 to 2013

I'm not for a second saying City and Chelsea's investment was good for football but we can't argue it's held up United a little bit.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Even Pep knows this. It’s as if he’s now getting a bit fed up of it. If you can field 2 world class teams it reduces the competition to a farce.
Even in the years of our domestic domination we were involved in nail biting finishes with one other.
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Yeah our first real dominant title wasn't until 99/00 but seems to be forgotten doesn't it
 
thegregster said:
Man city and Chelsea


Klopp spent around 400mil to win the PL and CL.

Less than Pep spend on defenders FFS.
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They still invested way more than they had previously to get over the line, thats my point. It took a clear vision of what they wanted, faith in the managers style and investment.
 
This pitch is terrible they’re falling all over the place..
 
Always wonder about Mings chewing gum the whole time.
Cannot be wise sprinting around and jumping for headers with gum in your gob.
 
I must be the only one not seeing this “unlucky Brighton”. If you squander that many chances, especially 2 penalties, in not only this game but the majority of your games then it’s not bad luck, it’s poor finishing.
 
Jeppers7 said:
How does it ? This is the bit I can’t get my head around ?
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Because without the Chelsea and City oil money, we might have win 9-10 in a row, or certainly 8 every decade.
Although without the unnatural oil money, perhaps Liverpool or Arsenal might have battled it out more regularly.
 
SilentWitness said:
I must be the only one not seeing this “unlucky Brighton”. If you squander that many chances, especially 2 penalties, in not only this game but the majority of your games then it’s not bad luck, it’s poor finishing.
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The Dunk situation was certainly unlucky,
But you're right, the rest was just crap.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Even Pep knows this. It’s as if he’s now getting a bit fed up of it. If you can field 2 world class teams it reduces the competition to a farce.
Even in the years of our domestic domination we were involved in nail biting finishes with one other.
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3 of Cities 4 titles have been, 0 pts, 1 pt, and 2 pts... So outside of the one season where we ran away with we won our other 3 titles by an average of 1 point.
People act like City are walking the league every season... we've never done 3 in a row, came near Uniteds 9 in 13 (you guys won more titles in 13 seasons than we have in our history),

Of our 4 titles we won one of goal difference, one on Stevie G slipping on a banana and one where Liverpool gave up a 7 point lead thanks to John Stones wearing a size 10 instead of 9 boot by 1.2 inches. Only one was utter domination.
During the nail biting finishes you won titles by 11, 9, 4, 2, 6, 5, 10, 18, 1, 7, 4, 8 and 10 points. You averaged winning the league by 7 points a season in those nail biting seasons. Cities average win 4 titles in 10 years, is 0,1,2,18 is by just over 5 points.
 
Sandikan said:
Because without the Chelsea and City oil money, we might have win 9-10 in a row, or certainly 8 every decade.
Although without the unnatural oil money, perhaps Liverpool or Arsenal might have battled it out more regularly.
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No doubt they'd have gotten the odd one, but yeah, you would indeed clean up. Of course it was of you own making unlike City and Chelsea getting luck on our sides but the PL would very much be another Bundesliga.
 
Sandikan said:
Always wonder about Mings chewing gum the whole time.
Cannot be wise sprinting around and jumping for headers with gum in your gob.
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Plenty of players do it, I do it playing 5-a-side the whole game. Chewing gum stimulates saliva production, and constant high intensity sprints over a long period really makes your mouth horribly dry to the point you can't even swallow at times.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Plenty of players do it, I do it playing 5-a-side the whole game. Chewing gum stimulates saliva production, and constant high intensity sprints over a long period really makes your mouth horribly dry to the point you can't even swallow at times.
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I spent years playing footy, indoors, outdoors, and run a tonneload, including hard track sessions, and I can't recall ever thinking I had a dry mouth!

You might say, that's not premier league footy and you'd be right, but if it was any sort of sensible thing to do, every player would do it.
 
Sandikan said:
I spent years playing footy, indoors, outdoors, and run a tonneload, including hard track sessions, and I can't recall ever thinking I had a dry mouth![/B]

You might say, that's not premier league footy and you'd be right, but if it was any sort of sensible thing to do, every player would do it.
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I’m the same never experienced a dry mouth doing these things..
 
Feed Me said:
You know the gulf is embarrassing when you have City fans on here pretending that we’re in danger of closing the gap. Tbh, we were closer to City last season than this. They’re in the process of putting clear water between us. Accept it with good grace as a United fan, instead of petty pot shots about oil money.
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The gulf is not as embarrassing as those United fans who can’t accept that United are not the best team in England anymore and it’s someone else’s turn to dominate.
City have unlimited money and owners/board who have a clear roadmap.
United have very greedy owners who leave all responsibility to the manager.
Everyone talks about what’s happening at the moment and this season City are running away with the league. No one was talking about them last season and it was all Liverpool. Now no one is talking about Liverpool. It could be City again next season, but it could also be someone else.

It’s up to us how fast we close the gap. We will never have City’s money so we need to be clever and more patient in our progress and recruitment (basically what we did between 2003 and 2006). And this time it might even take longer as as a club we were not a disaster at all pre 2003, but we have been disastrous in the last 7+ years.

Whoever can’t take this should just stop watching City’s games and the Sky/BT aftermath and all that instead of constantly asking the 2.5 City fans we have here how they feel about their ownership.
 
Nickosaur said:
If (and it really is a big fecking if right now) Brighton stay up, rumours are they would have to sell one of Lamptey, White or Bissouma in order to raise funds to buy a striker. Has to be done. With a competent striker, they are a top 10 side.
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I'd cash in on White. You have a decent number of CBs. Bissouma will probably be the one you cash in on though.
 
FootballHQ said:
I'd cash in on White. You have a decent number of CBs. Bissouma will probably be the one you cash in on though.
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Yeah with Dunk, Webster, Veltman and the likes of Clarke (on loan at Derby) and Haydon Roberts coming through, CB is stacked. Shame, I do like White a lot and think his future may like in DM.
Bissouma has drifting through games for the last few months. Think his mind is elsewhere now so as much as I rate him, I won't be gutted to see him go.
 
"Why is Targett falling over"

Erm, he's been kicked?

Rightly so, he deserved a good kick for that, but anyone can see he's been kicked there.
 
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