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Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>Kluivert is a murderer.
(and I don't mean a killer on the pitch)</strong><hr></blockquote>


As long as he murders the oppostion...while playing for United, he's cool with me.
 
Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>Kluivert is a murderer.
(and I don't mean a killer on the pitch)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Van N, the story is he knocked down and killed someone in Amsterdam, when he was 18 and playing for Ajax. He was drunk and driving a BMW.
Cant remember what sentence he got from the dutch courts. All i remember is that he was shipped out to AC Milan pretty quickly after that.

Which brings me to my point, that it should be looked at professionally not morally. AC Milan, Barcelona and Holland all think he was good enough to wear their top. Does Fergie?

personally i dont give a shit what he does off the pitch (its his problem how he handles that sort of guilt). IF he joined United i just want to know if he can stick the ball in the net.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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Which brings me to my point, that it should be looked at professionally not morally. AC Milan, Barcelona and Holland all think he was good enough to wear their top. Does Fergie?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Milan thought he was good enough, but he disappointed and they shipped him to Barcelona after one year.
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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Milan thought he was good enough, but he disappointed and they shipped him to Barcelona after one year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

3 points about that..

1. Picture it. Youre 18. Youve just been through a murder trial. You get shipped off to Italy where you dont know anyone and cant speak the language. (At Barca there were other dutchies)
2. Milan have shipped out some quality young players over the years who they thought would never make it. e.g Patrick Viera who they didnt have a clue how to use. Well done Arsene Wenger
says a lot for some of the Milan coaches that they could only handle big established names at the time.
3. Theres no reserve teams in Italy. You either play or you dont. Unless you get shipped out on loan elsewhere. Cant be easy trying to dislodge George Weah from the team when youre 18.
 
Although Tribalfootball is not such a reliable source, I think there may be some truth in the rumour.

<a href="http://www.tribalfootball.com/may/englishnews5040503.html" target="_blank">http://www.tribalfootball.com/may/englishnews5040503.html</a>

I don't mind Kluivert at all. I think he would do well with us.
 
from planetfootball :eek: :eek:

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RUUD VAN NISTELROOY has hinted that Barcelona forward Patrick Kluivert is set for&nbsp;a summer arrival at Old Trafford.

United`s Dutch striker revealed after the win over Charlton that he has heard Kluivert could be on his way to Manchester, and claimed it would take their respective games to the next level.

The pair play together internationally for Holland, and van Nistelrooy believes training together every day will help them develop.

Commenting after netting his hat-trick against The Addicks, van Nistelrooy said: "I have heard Patrick is coming to Manchester United - and I will be waiting there to welcome him to Old Trafford with open arms.

"He is the greatest attacking talent in Europe. "So far we`ve only played 18 internationals together but when we play together every week and train every day, we will become even better."

United chief Sir Alex Ferguson is a confirmed admirer of Kluivert and is certainly on the lookout for a new centre forward.

A whole host of names have been linked with a move to Manchester, including Ronaldinho, but Kluivert could be the answer if he has the blessing of The Red Devils` premier marksman.

Kluivert, who at 26 is approaching the peak of his career, has a season left to run on his Barca contract.

He recently said he wants to remain at Camp Nou for a further season, but could be tempted to move to Old Trafford and work on his burgeoning Dutch partnership with van Nistelrooy.
 
Not sure what to make of that - he's a great player there's no doubt about that, I'm just not sure about him though. Could it be that he's been at Barca too long and needs a change? I think also perhaps we shouldn't hold a grudge against him because he didn't want to sign for us many years ago. Times move on. I think he could be a great signing for us. I'm still wondering where he'd fit in though.
 
Contacted by this website, Kluivert's agent Mads Galsgaard said: "At present I can't comment on the story."

i think theres something to this story
 
I dont really want him here, he has turned us down before and once said Arsenal were the only club in England for him <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
Manchester United have opened talks with Barcelona about signing Patrick Kluivert to form a Dutch dream-team with Ruud van Nistelrooy.

United watched the 26-year-old score the winner when Barcelona beat Real Sociedad 2-1 last weekend.

They have started negotiations with the Spanish giants after being told Barca will do business at a cut-price £7million. Nou Camp officials also told the Old Trafford club that they would welcome a double Dutch swoop, with former Arsenal winger Mark Overmars available for £5m.

The Sunday Mirror say that Ruud is to be offered a new contract worth 80 grand p.w.
 
why the <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> ?
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>why the <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Im un-sure on him thats why.
The move has pro's and con's, it's a case of if the pro's outway the con's

Pro's
  • World Class goal scorer, good finisher. Could do good things with our service
  • Could form a special relationship with Ruud
  • Ruud knows better than most of us and he thinks hed work well with Kluivert
  • Although he's not That pacey, he has lots of flair and that's what we've been after.

Con's
  • Sulky, get's in a paddy (no pun intended) when he cant get into the team reggularly
  • Tendancy to go missing in big games
  • Isnt really that pacey, we need some pace
  • Already turned us down once. Why should we accept him crawling back?
  • Has an attitude problem

Im a bit un-decided on this issue. It's all very well saying he has an attitude problem because so does Ronaldinho, and i believe we should purchase Ronaldinho at any cost. But that's a differant topic.

What do you think yourself Ruudy, would you pursue Kluivert?
 
I have always said that i disliked Kluivert mainly for his attitude but having read some of the posts in the thread he has been through a lot which would have affected any player.He would score goals at United i have no doubt about that, he will add an aerial threat from set pieces and open play which we have been lacking.

Maybe he needs a fresh start and a club he can really settle down with and challenge for honours every season.If we could get him for the reported £7 million i would be happy, don't think he would take too long to settle down he can already speak english and seems physical enough to handle the pace of the premiership.
 
Did i read right? £7 million? Bastard or not, he's a quality goal scorer, and if things didnt work out we could probably recoup the fee and some. I assume Barca are selling on the cheap because he's reaching the end of his contract, because he's young, and would be suited to the fast-paced Premiership. I did have second thoughts about his attitude, but we've had plenty of attitudes in Sir Ferguson's time, nothing he cant handle. And all this talk of his preference for Arsenal - Cisse has said he wants to join Arsenal or Liverpool, and Ole himself was a Liverpool fan - so what?
 
for that money have him. a great partner for ruud and he has played in all the big matchs at club level.
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>[*] World Class goal scorer, good finisher. Could do good things with our service[*] Although he's not That pacey, he has lots of flair and that's what we've been after.
[*]Isnt really that pacey, we need some pace
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Kluivert IS pacey, he's faster than Ruud. Cruyff says he's faster than Overmars too. Its just not that blatantly obvious because he doesn't base his whole game on pace and getting clear of the last man, unlike a number of strikers we could mention. ;)

I wouldn't call him a world class goalscorer. He's never managed more than 17/18 league goals in a season. He's nowhere near as ruthless as Ruud or Ole, but tends to be a scorer of good goals rather than a good goalscorer.
 
Originally posted by Gio:
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Kluivert IS pacey, he's faster than Ruud. Cruyff says he's faster than Overmars too. Its just not that blatantly obvious because he doesn't base his whole game on pace and getting clear of the last man, unlike a number of strikers we could mention. ;)

I wouldn't call him a world class goalscorer. He's never managed more than 17/18 league goals in a season. He's nowhere near as ruthless as Ruud or Ole, but tends to be a scorer of good goals rather than a good goalscorer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's OK, we don't need him to score more than 17/18 goals a season if he's playing off Ruud. Eric used to put in something like that, and Scholes has done about the same this season.

Still don't like him though.
 
Kluivert isnt my first choice at all, but its the TYPE of player we NEED.

Ruud has been playing flat out for us for 2 seasons in a row. I dont think we can EXPECT that again next year. We NEED someone like Kluivert who can form a decent partnership from him, provide a reliable source of goals and MOST IMPORTANTLY

play up front alone in our 4-5-1 in Ruud place and actually do a decent job of it.
 
Originally posted by hujak:
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Then how come they aren't the best combo in the world when they play for Holland?</strong><hr></blockquote>

they have only played about 10 matches together in limited minutes. also it takes sometime for a partnership to groom together. if kluivert did come to united, which would be good, then they eventually be the best combo in the world with holland.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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not only that, but you also have to take into account playing time during practice/training as well. IF they came together at United theyd be training together day in, day out. This would benefit not just United but Holland too.

Not only that, but the amount of chances that would come their way together at United compared to as a pair for Holland would differ a lot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

very true
also italian football is very different from the attacking dutch style kluivert was use to


United open talks with Barca for Kluivert 04 May 2003

Manchester United have officially opened talks with Barcelona about signing Patrick Kluivert . Manchester representatives were present in Spain last weekend to witness Kluivert's winning goal in Barca's 2-1 home win over Real Sociedad 2-1.
Barcelona have informed United that they may have the Dutch international for a reduced €10 million Euros and are even willing add Dutch international winger Marc Overmars for an additional €7 million Euros. Although it is uncertain if United are interested in Overmars it is generally well known that Kluivert is No.1 priority for Sir Alex Ferguson, who wants to have Holland's up-front tandem- and give heed to Van Nistelrooy's wishes who has constantly described Kluivert as his ideal foil. <hr></blockquote>
Van Nistelrooy told the News of the World: "I have heard Patrick is coming to Manchester United - and I will be waiting there to welcome him to Old Trafford with open arms. He is the greatest attacking talent in Europe. So far we've only played 18 internationals together but when we play together and train together every day, we will become even better." <hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.footballnl.com/" target="_blank">Dutch Football Site</a>
 
Kluivert is arrogant but so is Keano

He is lazy but so was Cantona

and He turned us down but feckin sake so did Blanc (4 times)

Patrick is young, hes a renowned star and RVN sees him as his perfect partner. At 6m hes quite a catch, so whats wrong with him?
 
he would be excellent, but i say we get ronaldhino also.
 
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>he would be excellent, but i say we get ronaldhino also.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't see how that would make sense. One or the other - they play the same position pretty much.

I am a little perplexed as to why Ruud has apparently said this to the press. Either he didn't or he's been told he can. If it's the latter then either Kluivert is a United player or we're after someone else and hoping to get the selling club to reduce their demands.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
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I don't see how that would make sense. One or the other - they play the same position pretty much.

I am a little perplexed as to why Ruud has apparently said this to the press. Either he didn't or he's been told he can. If it's the latter then either Kluivert is a United player or we're after someone else and hoping to get the selling club to reduce their demands.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he was probably asked "have you heard about kluivert rumours coming to old trafford?"

"yes i have heard and i would welcome him" etc etc.

he didnt say i KNOW kluivert is coming. its possible tho....
 
Originally posted by The Red Machine:
<strong>Kluivert's a prick, a cheat and a cry baby.

And most of all: the RVN-PK-partnership has rarely worked very well for Holland.</strong><hr></blockquote>

International football == smokescreen.The quality of football played in international friendlies are poor(including the world cup).You cannot judge any player based on his international performances.
 
Patrick Kluivert has rubbished rumours that he is on his way to Manchester United.

The Holland international striker has been linked with a summer switch to the Premiership champions, but says he wants to stay at Barcelona.

Kluivert has been targeted for abuse by some sections of the Nou Camp crowd and international team-mate Ruud van Nistelrooy has said the 26-year-old would be his perfect strike partner.

Old Trafford chief executive Peter Kenyon has promised summer additions to Sir Alex Ferguson's squad, but Kluivert says he will not be one of them.

"There is nothing certain in those rumours," he told the club's webiste. "I have always said that I want to stay here.

"The 15th of May is the date and we will see what happens before then. If I need to speak with the directors I will do it."

May 15 is the date that Barcelona have to take up the option to reduce his salary in return for a reduction in the player's but-out clause. His current contract runs out in 2005.

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Sod him, he can rot play non European football then and we'll sign Kewell or Ronaldinho
 
I believe Fergie told Cantona that he did not want him to tackle simply because he could not do it.

Eric Cantona was certainly not a lazy player. But don't let facts stand in your way.
 
It's true Amir. Keano said Eric was a right lazy bastard, but just one moment of skill and bang! One nil.
 
Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>It's true Amir. Keano said Eric was a right lazy bastard, but just one moment of skill and bang! One nil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If I had to listen to everything Roy said I'd be a very confused person. :)

Certainly everything I heard about Cantona and his training more than hints to the opposite.

Not that any of it makes Kluivert some who may be lazy but a genious.
 
No it wasn't. Read it in his book.
 
Cantona was a genius but wasnt exactly a box to box player wasnt he?

Great players like Keane and Hughes had confirmed that.
 
Interesting quote from a Barca fan....

as a Barcelona fan i would love to see the back of Kluivert. He is not good enough for Barcelona so he is defo not good enough for Utd. I hope they sign him. He is more trouble than he is worth.

I agree.
 
In a team where managers fail, are sacked and then again re-appointed, where confirmed stars and legends (Rivaldo and Guardiola) are shown the door for free and where great players like Overmars, Litmanen and Kluivert can’t do a heck, Barcelona is not the ideal ground where a player can perform.

Yes Patrick has a difficult character but he is a born winner. He is young, he is one of the brightest talents in Holland and apart from “forget my daddy” Cruyff, the Dutch players had always made a great impact in our team. 6m (maybe less) is a bargain and I think that SAF should bring him to OT.
Ruud wants him, why don’t you?

I suspect that many don’t want him just because he turned us down. That’s a great mistake that many underestimate (expecially those who cheer and clap Mr “I turned Manchester United for 4 times” Laurent Blanc). Yet remember that Patrick then was young and he deserves at least another chance