Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>Kluivert is a murderer.
(and I don't mean a killer on the pitch)</strong><hr></blockquote>
As long as he murders the oppostion...while playing for United, he's cool with me.
Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>Kluivert is a murderer.
(and I don't mean a killer on the pitch)</strong><hr></blockquote>
As long as he murders the oppostion...while playing for United, he's cool with me.
Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>Kluivert is a murderer.
(and I don't mean a killer on the pitch)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Van N, the story is he knocked down and killed someone in Amsterdam, when he was 18 and playing for Ajax. He was drunk and driving a BMW.
Cant remember what sentence he got from the dutch courts. All i remember is that he was shipped out to AC Milan pretty quickly after that.
Which brings me to my point, that it should be looked at professionally not morally. AC Milan, Barcelona and Holland all think he was good enough to wear their top. Does Fergie?
personally i dont give a shit what he does off the pitch (its his problem how he handles that sort of guilt). IF he joined United i just want to know if he can stick the ball in the net.
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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Which brings me to my point, that it should be looked at professionally not morally. AC Milan, Barcelona and Holland all think he was good enough to wear their top. Does Fergie?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Milan thought he was good enough, but he disappointed and they shipped him to Barcelona after one year.
Originally posted by Amir:
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Milan thought he was good enough, but he disappointed and they shipped him to Barcelona after one year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
3 points about that..
1. Picture it. Youre 18. Youve just been through a murder trial. You get shipped off to Italy where you dont know anyone and cant speak the language. (At Barca there were other dutchies)
2. Milan have shipped out some quality young players over the years who they thought would never make it. e.g Patrick Viera who they didnt have a clue how to use. Well done Arsene Wenger
says a lot for some of the Milan coaches that they could only handle big established names at the time.
3. Theres no reserve teams in Italy. You either play or you dont. Unless you get shipped out on loan elsewhere. Cant be easy trying to dislodge George Weah from the team when youre 18.
Originally posted by jamesblonde:
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Det ar riktig</strong><hr></blockquote>
Det sir du ikke
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>why the <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Im un-sure on him thats why.
The move has pro's and con's, it's a case of if the pro's outway the con's
Pro's
- World Class goal scorer, good finisher. Could do good things with our service
- Could form a special relationship with Ruud
- Ruud knows better than most of us and he thinks hed work well with Kluivert
- Although he's not That pacey, he has lots of flair and that's what we've been after.
Con's
- Sulky, get's in a paddy (no pun intended) when he cant get into the team reggularly
- Tendancy to go missing in big games
- Isnt really that pacey, we need some pace
- Already turned us down once. Why should we accept him crawling back?
- Has an attitude problem
Im a bit un-decided on this issue. It's all very well saying he has an attitude problem because so does Ronaldinho, and i believe we should purchase Ronaldinho at any cost. But that's a differant topic.
What do you think yourself Ruudy, would you pursue Kluivert?
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>[*] World Class goal scorer, good finisher. Could do good things with our service[*] Although he's not That pacey, he has lots of flair and that's what we've been after.
[*]Isnt really that pacey, we need some pace
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Kluivert IS pacey, he's faster than Ruud. Cruyff says he's faster than Overmars too. Its just not that blatantly obvious because he doesn't base his whole game on pace and getting clear of the last man, unlike a number of strikers we could mention.
I wouldn't call him a world class goalscorer. He's never managed more than 17/18 league goals in a season. He's nowhere near as ruthless as Ruud or Ole, but tends to be a scorer of good goals rather than a good goalscorer.
Originally posted by Gio:
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Kluivert IS pacey, he's faster than Ruud. Cruyff says he's faster than Overmars too. Its just not that blatantly obvious because he doesn't base his whole game on pace and getting clear of the last man, unlike a number of strikers we could mention.
I wouldn't call him a world class goalscorer. He's never managed more than 17/18 league goals in a season. He's nowhere near as ruthless as Ruud or Ole, but tends to be a scorer of good goals rather than a good goalscorer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's OK, we don't need him to score more than 17/18 goals a season if he's playing off Ruud. Eric used to put in something like that, and Scholes has done about the same this season.
Still don't like him though.
Originally posted by hujak:
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Then how come they aren't the best combo in the world when they play for Holland?</strong><hr></blockquote>
they have only played about 10 matches together in limited minutes. also it takes sometime for a partnership to groom together. if kluivert did come to united, which would be good, then they eventually be the best combo in the world with holland.
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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not only that, but you also have to take into account playing time during practice/training as well. IF they came together at United theyd be training together day in, day out. This would benefit not just United but Holland too.
Not only that, but the amount of chances that would come their way together at United compared to as a pair for Holland would differ a lot.</strong><hr></blockquote>
very true
also italian football is very different from the attacking dutch style kluivert was use to
United open talks with Barca for Kluivert 04 May 2003
Manchester United have officially opened talks with Barcelona about signing Patrick Kluivert . Manchester representatives were present in Spain last weekend to witness Kluivert's winning goal in Barca's 2-1 home win over Real Sociedad 2-1.
Barcelona have informed United that they may have the Dutch international for a reduced €10 million Euros and are even willing add Dutch international winger Marc Overmars for an additional €7 million Euros. Although it is uncertain if United are interested in Overmars it is generally well known that Kluivert is No.1 priority for Sir Alex Ferguson, who wants to have Holland's up-front tandem- and give heed to Van Nistelrooy's wishes who has constantly described Kluivert as his ideal foil. <hr></blockquote>
Van Nistelrooy told the News of the World: "I have heard Patrick is coming to Manchester United - and I will be waiting there to welcome him to Old Trafford with open arms. He is the greatest attacking talent in Europe. So far we've only played 18 internationals together but when we play together and train together every day, we will become even better." <hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.footballnl.com/" target="_blank">Dutch Football Site</a>
Originally posted by gulli_G:
<strong>he would be excellent, but i say we get ronaldhino also.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't see how that would make sense. One or the other - they play the same position pretty much.
I am a little perplexed as to why Ruud has apparently said this to the press. Either he didn't or he's been told he can. If it's the latter then either Kluivert is a United player or we're after someone else and hoping to get the selling club to reduce their demands.
Originally posted by Dans:
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I don't see how that would make sense. One or the other - they play the same position pretty much.
I am a little perplexed as to why Ruud has apparently said this to the press. Either he didn't or he's been told he can. If it's the latter then either Kluivert is a United player or we're after someone else and hoping to get the selling club to reduce their demands.</strong><hr></blockquote>
he was probably asked "have you heard about kluivert rumours coming to old trafford?"
"yes i have heard and i would welcome him" etc etc.
he didnt say i KNOW kluivert is coming. its possible tho....
Originally posted by The Red Machine:
<strong>Kluivert's a prick, a cheat and a cry baby.
And most of all: the RVN-PK-partnership has rarely worked very well for Holland.</strong><hr></blockquote>
International football == smokescreen.The quality of football played in international friendlies are poor(including the world cup).You cannot judge any player based on his international performances.
Originally posted by devilish:
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He is lazy but so was Cantona</strong><hr></blockquote>
WHAT ?!
Originally posted by Amir:
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WHAT ?! </strong><hr></blockquote>
Its a well known fact. Ive seen it mentioned by lots of Eric's team mates. I remember Keano mentioning that in his book, how Eric never tracked back or chased players down but made up for that when he had the ball.
Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>It's true Amir. Keano said Eric was a right lazy bastard, but just one moment of skill and bang! One nil.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If I had to listen to everything Roy said I'd be a very confused person.
Certainly everything I heard about Cantona and his training more than hints to the opposite.
Not that any of it makes Kluivert some who may be lazy but a genious.