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well you either love him or you hate him?

what do you make of him?, i personally cringed at the idea of him playing for us at first, he turned us down once, should he be allowed to crawl back now Barca are in the shit i though to myself, on t'other hand im sure hed create a very special relationship with Ruud, up there with the likes of Yorke & Cole partnership, he is a decent player but he wouldnt be my first choice of a buy, but if he was purchased, what would you all make of it?, good purchase or bad?
 
When we have the ball:
I think he would be an excellant player for us, despite all the baggage that comes with him.
Tactically he would be the ideal "hole" player - VanGaal once called him more a midfielder than a CF. People laughed at VanGaal (nothing new there), but it was understood what he meant.

When we don't have the ball:
He still has to prove he has the desire play as a front-of-the-line defensive midfielder. That might mean lots of running and chasing back as Scholes has done for us this season in Europe.


On another note, he'd cruise the premiership (not that it really matters to Sir Alex like Europe does).
 
He's going to have to tone down his ego. That's why Ruud made it at United. He's fecking awesome but he's also very humble and knows what it is he needs to improve and knows when he's screwed up. Kluivert will need to do that and it's very possible that he may not.
 
why do we have to have a different topic about it, when we're all clearly talking about kluivert in the other one? ;)

kluivert is world class, theres no doubting his talent. He's done it at all levels.
do we want world class players playing for us?
 
good player... strong and knows hoe to exploit space... imo whold be very good in the premiership... depends on the price though... I have seen figures as low as 5 million mentioned and at that price we could not get better... I have also seen prices as high as 10 million+ mentioned and at that price he may not be the best option
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>why do we have to have a different topic about it, when we're all clearly talking about kluivert in the other one? ;)

kluivert is world class, theres no doubting his talent. He's done it at all levels.
do we want world class players playing for us?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really. I want world class United players playing for us. Ego will get you nowhere at Old Trafford.
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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Not really. I want world class United players playing for us. Ego will get you nowhere at Old Trafford.</strong><hr></blockquote>

really???

i give you..

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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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really???

i give you..

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Not that kind of ego. That ego is about confidence in your abilities. Kluivert sounds a right twat who would throw his toys out of the pram if he was sat on the bench.
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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Not that kind of ego. That ego is about confidence in your abilities. Kluivert sounds a right twat who would throw his toys out of the pram if he was sat on the bench.</strong><hr></blockquote>

so did Eric at his previous clubs. He once smacked his boot into the face of his own teams keeper in training. Im sure you know all the stories.He spat the dummy big time when Sheff Wed wanted him to play another trial match.
BUT, when he came to United, he found his 'football' home. Who's to say the same wouldnt happen with PK?
As for not being a team player, he'd soon learn what that meant when he came to the club. Do you not think Fergie would look at all these things before he decides to shell out money for a player?

I dont give a shit about his past, in his personal life or professional life. Can he score goals for United on the pitch? Yes, i think he could score a lot of goals for the club & form a lethal partnership with Ruud. He's good on the ground and lethal in the air. On that basis, yes id be well happy if United signed him.
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I've already had a bit of a rant on the Overmars thread about this, but I feel strongly about it.

I don't have a problem with Kluivert as a footballer, he would without doubt improve us in an area where we need improving.

I also don't have any problem with him or anyone else who turns down a move to United - every man to his own.

But I do have a problem with any player who refuses to come and see what's on offer after his club agrees to sell him to us - and then belittles the club by coming out in public on national TV to announce that he wouldn't even consider a move to Manchester United.

To quote him - "the only English club I would consider playing for is Arsenal".

Fine, - but if that's his thinking, then it should apply to his whole career. It should be an honour to play in a United shirt - and this fecker just shouldn't get another opportunity. What goes around comes around.

And don't ever compare him with Eric, - it's an insult to the great man.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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so did Eric at his previous clubs. He once smacked his boot into the face of his own teams keeper in training. Im sure you know all the stories.He spat the dummy big time when Sheff Wed wanted him to play another trial match.
BUT, when he came to United, he found his 'football' home. Who's to say the same wouldnt happen with PK?
As for not being a team player, he'd soon learn what that meant when he came to the club. Do you not think Fergie would look at all these things before he decides to shell out money for a player?

I dont give a shit about his past, in his personal life or professional life. Can he score goals for United on the pitch? Yes, i think he could score a lot of goals for the club & form a lethal partnership with Ruud. He's good on the ground and lethal in the air. On that basis, yes id be well happy if United signed him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hear hear.
Ronaldinho won't give us much in the air and unless we get a new CB like Van Buyten or Mexes, we'll gone another season without scoring enough from set pieces (corners, etc).
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Originally posted by jamesblonde:
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Ronaldinho won't give us much in the air and unless we get a new CB like Van Buyten or Mexes, we'll gone another season without scoring enough from set pieces (corners, etc).</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't consider signing a defender who can scores from set pieces a priority. While it's a shame we don't take advantage of corners and all that, we shouldn't be looking at a defender's scoring record if we sign him.
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Paddy Kluivert opinions<a href="http://Here" target="_blank">http://www.icons.com/PK/team.html</a>;

On Frank De Boer;
I'm a big fan of Frank de Boer. He's a very good guy. He's captain of the Dutch national team and a very good player and a very good person. I've known him for years because we played together at Ajax and he's also my room-mate when we travel to matches. He's a fantastic player and he's playing well now, though things were difficult for him earlier in the season when he wasn't always in the team. The one thing I can't figure out about him is why he's so good at cards. We play all the time and he always wins. I just don't know how he does it!

On Michael Reiziger;
What can I say about my old friend Michael? I know him so well. We've been mates since our Ajax days and we're good mates off the pitch as well as on it. He's a very nice person – and a really good defender too! He has a great sense of humour, and he's also one of the card-players in the team.

On Abelardo;
He looks tough – and he is tough. But he's also a very nice person with lots of humour who loves to make jokes all the time. That's very important for football and for life generally. He's a really good team-mate too and a great defender. He’s a very good guy to have in the team.

All very interesting but he doesnt offer his opinion on sexuality, war or the political future of Europe
 
BTW, Im beggining to be swayed to like Kluivert, mainly by G_B's posts on here, making me relalise maybe he would be quite good. Id back the purchase of him as long as we buy someone else who is pacey, i.e kewell/quaresma etc..

Oh and to the bloke above me, jamesblonde the silly irish cnut who hates keane, Ronaldinho is good in the air, he has scored countless headers for Brazil and PSG.

Ronaldinho would be perfect, but it seems like hes staying put.
 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
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Ronaldinho would be perfect, but it seems like hes staying put.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unlikely - no matter what his club says. Wouldn't want him though!
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Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>BTW, Im beggining to be swayed to like Kluivert, mainly by G_B's posts on here, making me relalise maybe he would be quite good. Id back the purchase of him as long as we buy someone else who is pacey, i.e kewell/quaresma etc..

Oh and to the bloke above me, jamesblonde the silly irish cnut who hates keane, Ronaldinho is good in the air, he has scored countless headers for Brazil and PSG.

Ronaldinho would be perfect, but it seems like hes staying put.</strong><hr></blockquote>

glad someone else doesnt hate him..
at the end of the day, will he score goals for the club? yes i believe he'd score loads. Thats all that matters.

Im not as convinced about Ronaldinho as others though. I remain to be convinced whether we need both him and Veron in the same team. Both are playmakers, how many do we need?

PK is far more cut out for the rough and tumble of the PL, as well as having the world class skills for the CL.

ps. dont think im begging for us to buy PK, im not. I just think that if Fergie did buy him, i for one would think it is a great signing for the club.

some of the names thrown about in recent weeks:

Kluivert
Nihat
Beattie
Smith
Bellamy

out of that lot, i know who id rather have. Beattie is a good player, but not world class. Likewise the others. PK is world class.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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do we want world class players playing for us?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, if they're passionate about Manchester United, which he isn't.
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Originally posted by Johnso:
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To quote him - "the only English club I would consider playing for is Arsenal".

Fine, - but if that's his thinking, then it should apply to his whole career. It should be an honour to play in a United shirt - and this fecker just shouldn't get another opportunity. What goes around comes around.

And don't ever compare him with Eric, - it's an insult to the great man.</strong><hr></blockquote>

1. I wasnt comparing to Eric. The point was made by someone that we want world-class Man Utd players not players with ego's. The fact is Cantona had a massive ego even before he came to United, so it shows some players can be moulded to our ways or feel instantly at home when they get to OT.

2. already made this point in the other thread. When he made that quote about only playing for the Arse, Bergkamp was up front and on top of his game. Naturally he'd want to play with his fellow countryman first and foremost. Nowt wrong with that. Now Ruud is up front for us, he'll prob have something different to say.

And who knows, maybe Ruud wants him as a partner?
We dont know what Fergie is thinking. What if its like this:

SAF: (thinking: hmmmmmmm.. i think next year we'll play 4-4-2 a bit more in the league and see if we can score more goals. Hmmmmmm... Ill need to get another striker in for that)

Ruud walks by..

SAF: "Ruud! Out of all the strikers in the world, who would you most like to play alongside?"

(Ruud takes a big draw on his spliff..)

Ruud: "well thats easy boss. Go get Kluivert"


Like i said in the other post, Bruce and Pally were asked which striker they found hard to play against? Eric Cantona. Fergie promptly went and bought him.
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Nearly all barca fans I've spoken to and posts on barca messageboards I've read, the general consensus is that he isn't good enough for Barca and they can hardly name BIG games in which he performed well (in contrast, they know plenty of big games in which he went missing). IMO Kluivert is not world class.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Yes, if they're passionate about Manchester United, which he isn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Livvie, im sure we've had many great players play for the club over the years, who only became passionate for the club after they joined up.

your dreamboy Ole being an example ;)

Im sure if youd asked him 2 years before he joined us which club he was passionate about, his answer would not have been Manchester United.
He may have said in England he loved Liverpool and in Norway he loved whatever club he was with.
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Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>Nearly all barca fans I've spoken to and posts on barca messageboards I've read, the general consensus is that he isn't good enough for Barca and they can hardly name BIG games in which he performed well (in contrast, they know plenty of big games in which he went missing). IMO Kluivert is not world class.</strong><hr></blockquote>

so he needs a change of clubs to motivate him then? It happens. Frankly i wouldnt blame him at Barcelona. And remember this is at a club, where the Spanish fans are blaming the dutch players for the demise of the club.
BTW if you also look on the RM boards, theyre constantly slagging off Ronaldo, he's even been called a "goose" Would you say he's not world class simply because of the fans posting messages?

Ill never change my opinion about Kluivert being world class. Ive watched him for years since he burst onto the scene scoring goals for Ajax, then AC Milan. Ill never forget him absolutely destroying Ireland at Anfield in a play off match.
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No thanks, to much baggage and attitude.

You could say the same about Cantona, but he was a teamplayer, who took United to a different level. I doubt very much that Kluivert could do the same.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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Livvie, im sure we've had many great players play for the club over the years, who only became passionate for the club after they joined up.

your dreamboy Ole being an example ;)

Im sure if youd asked him 2 years before he joined us which club he was passionate about, his answer would not have been Manchester United.
He may have said in England he loved Liverpool and in Norway he loved whatever club he was with.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He didn't turn us down and say the only English club he would consider would be Arsenal tho did he.

(nd why did you give me that response and not Johnso who had a lot more of a go at Kluivert than I did).
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Liv, he's an excellent player, he and Ruud would make an awesome combo.. perhaps the best in the world.

I don't care whats been said.. Sometimes things are taken out of context...

I'd be happy to see him in a United shirt..
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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Like i said in the other post, Bruce and Pally were asked which striker they found hard to play against? Eric Cantona. Fergie promptly went and bought him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Great story, not that accurate. It's more like they raved about him after a match where we played Leeds.

Hardly a case of Fergie asking his players who he should buy.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Liv, he's an excellent player, he and Ruud would make an awesome combo.. perhaps the best in the world.

I don't care whats been said.. Sometimes things are taken out of context...

I'd be happy to see him in a United shirt..</strong><hr></blockquote>

No doubt if he came to OT and showed the right kind of attitude, I'd change my mind.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>I don't care whats been said.. Sometimes things are taken out of context...
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"I didn't talk to United because the only club for me in England is Arsenal".

I'd like to know how that was taken out of context.

If Fergie buys him I'll obviously support him and believe he'd be a great signing - because I have complete faith in the manager. But I don't see him going that route. With us definately playing 4-5-1 in Europe and some league matches, we're unlikely to be able to handle a second striker with huge ego.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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No doubt if he came to OT and showed the right kind of attitude, I'd change my mind.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course... and I think he'd change your mind.

TBH-he'd fit in better than Ronaldhino...
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Originally posted by Amir:
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"I didn't talk to United because the only club for me in England is Arsenal".

I'd like to know how that was taken out of context.

If Fergie buys him I'll obviously support him and believe he'd be a great signing - because I have complete faith in the manager. But I don't see him going that route. With us definately playing 4-5-1 in Europe and some league matches, we're unlikely to be able to handle a second striker with huge ego.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I take it you mean "a second striker, with a huge ego" and not "a second striker with a huge ego".
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Liv, he's an excellent player, he and Ruud would make an awesome combo.. perhaps the best in the world.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then how come they aren't the best combo in the world when they play for Holland?
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Originally posted by Amir:
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"I didn't talk to United because the only club for me in England is Arsenal".

I'd like to know how that was taken out of context.

If Fergie buys him I'll obviously support him and believe he'd be a great signing - because I have complete faith in the manager. But I don't see him going that route. With us definately playing 4-5-1 in Europe and some league matches, we're unlikely to be able to handle a second striker with huge ego.</strong><hr></blockquote>


If he comes, it'll be because SAF thinks he's a player who'll make us better...

...and where did that quote come from??

tbh - I don't dislike him like I do Shearer.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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...and where did that quote come from??
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The Treble tape. May not be 100% accurate but the spirit of the things was not changed one bit.

And yes Livvie, I did mean we could not handle a second striker who has a huge ego.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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He didn't turn us down and say the only English club he would consider would be Arsenal tho did he.

(nd why did you give me that response and not Johnso who had a lot more of a go at Kluivert than I did).</strong><hr></blockquote>

sorry Liv, i didnt mean to pick on you ;)
dont think i was having a go at anyone either, football is all about opinions and not everyone is going to have the same one.

My reply to you was merely to point out in reponse to your post, that not all players know what it means to play for Manchester United. They all quickly change their minds & learn what its like after signing & playing for us. Thats the point i was trying to make.

PK may come across as an arrogant fecker who loves Arsenal, but its unfair to to think that he cant change as soon as he pulls on a Utd top. For all we know he could go on to bang in as many goals as Ruud.
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Originally posted by hujak:
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Then how come they aren't the best combo in the world when they play for Holland?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Potentially for United...

Ok, name me some better strike duo's...
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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sorry Liv, i didnt mean to pick on you ;)


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Don't worry about it. Why should you be different to anyone else? ;)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Don't worry about it. Why should you be different to anyone else? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

.....it's because you're a woman, Livvio.(joke)

Anyway, Iam going to pick on Hujak, infact lets all pick on him. :D
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