Good performance, good attitude and good tempo. Which makes the weekend's performance even more depressing
LC W League Cup Round of 16
Swansea City 0:2 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Tue, 24 October 2017
Overall happy with a clean sheet and some youngsters getting a good run out.
Thought Axel looked better than most seemed to have.
Onto Spurs hoping we dont get overrun.
Thought Axel looked better than most seemed to have.
Onto Spurs hoping we dont get overrun.
Good performance but still looked a bit unconvicing in certain areas. I suppose it's to be expected with the amount of changes and some younger players getting their first real minutes of the season. The full back situation is a bit of a worry. I do rate Darmian and Blind but I think we badly need a far more attacking outlet from that area. We need someone that will get up and down all game and provide an attacking threat. A fully fit Valencia and Shaw would be ideal. Also we need someone who can pass the ball in midfield. Herrera and McTominay last night weren't the type to do that. Pogba is a massive loss but we could do with another CM who is going to create openings especially when Pogba is missing.
Plus it is absolutely ridiculous to even think that Lindelof needs to be sold. Give the man a chance to get used to the Premier League. He was at the heart of a title winning Benfica team.
Also Lingard fully deserves to be a Manchester United player imo. He has a very important role in the squad. He provides lost of energy which is a big asset in a counter attacking style and as last night has shown, he scores goals.
Plus it is absolutely ridiculous to even think that Lindelof needs to be sold. Give the man a chance to get used to the Premier League. He was at the heart of a title winning Benfica team.
Also Lingard fully deserves to be a Manchester United player imo. He has a very important role in the squad. He provides lost of energy which is a big asset in a counter attacking style and as last night has shown, he scores goals.
They weren't born in the center circle at old Trafford so they don't count.
Your user name actually gives me its name sake when I read it ffs
The same reason Mkhitaryan plays much better in the Champions, the amount of space available they face.
Yep, just like our best defensive record in Europe in 2017 is just down to 'getting loads of bodies back'.
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Which team has loads of under 20s starting in their first team matches though? What a unreasonable expectation to have!
I have no problem putting Axel ahead of Lindelof in the pecking order, the difference in their performances is quite clear, to the point I wonder why we bought Lindelof in the first place.
In cup competition like the carling cup there were times we would play at least 5-6 of them. I was just pointing out since a member tried to make out that Jose doing it once is a smack in the face to all those that say he doesn’t play youth. It’s not really the truth what they are trying to insinuate is it.
Lindelof does seem a bit of a strange one. In spite of all of our injuries there last season it isn't a position that we're particularly short in, and with Bailly and Rojo both decent ball playing centre-halves and Jones/Smalling as good back up and/or partners for Bailly/Rojo I don't really get why we'd spend a hefty portion of our limited budget on Lindelof when there are plenty of other areas of the team more in need of strengthening...
Your ability to misinterpret meaning and twist it to your own agenda is truly outstanding. On that I commend you you.Yep, just like our best defensive record in Europe in 2017 is just down to 'getting loads of bodies back'.
Oh for god's sake, are you denying that you said that now as well?!
Someone is positive about our defensive record and you're there saying that actually no, it isn't particularly good after all (in spite of being the best in Europe in 2017). And similarly you're here trying to argue that actually playing 7 players under the age of 23 isn't all that either.
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I can’t be bothered getting in to a pissing contest with you as you’re just one of these people that even when it’s smack their in front of you that you’re wrong will just keep on going. Honestly it ruins the forum as well.
I suggest you go back to that thread and re-read what I wrote and once again think about it. Also the thread was the best defensive teams in Europe. Key word teams. I simply shared that really I don’t think our defending quality is good enough or anywhere near the top teams as we mostly rely on just getting bodies back which is at a detriment to the overall performance of the team. If you need 9 men to defend then you don’t trust the actual 4-5 who’s job it is to defend.
But seriously go read the original post you’re so upset about and this time finish the whole thing to where I was giving us credit for it. Yet like always you were triggered as soon as you thought someone was slagging off your precious Moumou.
Like I said I’m not going to bother responding to you as it just ruins the forum for everyone else. Feel free to open a private chat and we can discuss it and i’ll Decide if I can be bothered to reply to you. But like I said you just seem one of these people who will argue all day until your blue in the face and get louder and louder and think you’re right or have won something.
I agree with you about not wanting to derail the thread so I'm not going to go back into that, the thread is there for anyone that wants to read it. But as to your last sentence, in all the various debates that we've had on here you are the one that loses their shit and resorts to name-calling, and/or implying that I'm ruining the forum. You (and a few others on here) are happy as long as nobody is taking issue with what you've written. People are supposed to disagree with you, and hold you to account for things that you've said - that is the nature of discussion, debate and a forum like this one.
Gotta love those Herrera killer passes. Takes a millisecond for him to see it and boom the space has been attacked.
Tuanzebe and McTominay started a bit shaky and stayed in the shadows a bit but grew in the game. Happy for them.
The only negative was Lindelöf I guess.
It would be great if Herrera's passes were more forward instead of backwards and sideways. What I would like him to cut out of his game is when someone passes him the ball he instantly passes it back to the one that passed him the ball, often those passes bring others in trouble.
- Somewhere out there are people who have watched Lingard goal compilations on Youtube, and think he's this mysterious great player who for some reason no one ever talks about.
Blind - Caught paying so little attention to the game that he presumed the ball had gone off for a throw in when it hadn't, and just turned around and walked off while it was bouncing around behind him.
Darmian - Caught paying so little attention to the game that he presumed the ball had gone off for a throw in when it hadn't, and just turned around and walked off while it was bouncing around behind him.
Lindeloff - Looks like he's just woken up 1,000 year into the future and is trying to figure out what's going on.
Decent other than that.
Blind - Caught paying so little attention to the game that he presumed the ball had gone off for a throw in when it hadn't, and just turned around and walked off while it was bouncing around behind him.
Darmian - Caught paying so little attention to the game that he presumed the ball had gone off for a throw in when it hadn't, and just turned around and walked off while it was bouncing around behind him.
Lindeloff - Looks like he's just woken up 1,000 year into the future and is trying to figure out what's going on.
Decent other than that.
Yep! Spurs are so up themselves right now. Need taking down a peg or two.
One I think you need to go back and see who started the name calling and snide remarks. I mean your first 3 correspondence to myself were inflammatory.
And sorry chum when you misinterpret someone’s meaning and twist it to your own agenda you’re never right.
The reason I say you ruin the forum is because you do stupid things like little one liners that add nothing to a conversation. You post for the sake of posting. The other day you jumped on a post I wrote that really had nothing to do with you but you just decided to say
You're right, a true fan rips the manager to shreds when the team is top of the league
That added no basis to any conversation and the fact that I’d ignored your 3 previous attempts to start an argument, you clearly just said this for attention or to start an argument.
So maybe you have a problem as I saw you mention myself and others to other memebres to make yourself seem superior but really I kinda feel sorry for you. Sorry that you think you’re not ruining forums but the evidence is right above. As well as the other day when you asked me to quote something else and I did and because it proved you wrong you skipped right over it and then decided to have a go at my grammar and spelling.
Not to mention in the rules it clearly says attack the post not the poster. You consistently attack the poster which is why I’m surprised you haven’t been banned or at least warned.
Dear god.
A pretty professional performance, a bit like the start of the season. If we'd played on Saturday as we did here, we'd have picked up three points
Well that’s not exactly accurate is it
Lingard, Martial, Rashford. These three need to be tried as the frontline more often. Gets the best out of the entire team. Rashford's and Lingard's movement make up for the lack of it from Martial. Martial's directness helps make up for Rashford's difficulty of holding up the ball. Rashford's and Martial's threat helps set up great opportunities for Lingard because of his excellent movement. This was a minor something I will credit LVG for discovering.
Sadly, our regular team must accomodate for Lukaku and Mkhi who, on paper atleast, don't look like names you can leave on the bench. But it exposes Martial's weakness regarding his inability to make runs into space, and pushes Rashford to the wing, which suppresses his excellent abilities as a striker, and makes us play very defensively.
Also, don't think Mourinho's system is well suited for Martial's game. He may have to make adjustments to his natural tendency to always wait for the ball. Not saying he played poorly, just that, to me atleast, it looks like he may have to make more improvements to his game if he is to successfully fit into Mourinho's system.
Was just watching LVG's last season and Martial was terrific. It even surprised me. I think, if things remain the way they are for Martial, even at the end of the season, with him not being able to hit good form and slot in properly into the team, then him moving on would be the best for both parties (assuming of course we have a good season and Mourinho is still here)
Sadly, our regular team must accomodate for Lukaku and Mkhi who, on paper atleast, don't look like names you can leave on the bench. But it exposes Martial's weakness regarding his inability to make runs into space, and pushes Rashford to the wing, which suppresses his excellent abilities as a striker, and makes us play very defensively.
Also, don't think Mourinho's system is well suited for Martial's game. He may have to make adjustments to his natural tendency to always wait for the ball. Not saying he played poorly, just that, to me atleast, it looks like he may have to make more improvements to his game if he is to successfully fit into Mourinho's system.
Was just watching LVG's last season and Martial was terrific. It even surprised me. I think, if things remain the way they are for Martial, even at the end of the season, with him not being able to hit good form and slot in properly into the team, then him moving on would be the best for both parties (assuming of course we have a good season and Mourinho is still here)
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ah I'm taking the piss. Need more white text
Fair play sir, it’s hard to tell these days
Lindelof will get better. For sure. He's gonna take time but the best is yet to come. Axel needs to be protected and groomed. He can be the future if handled well. Great talent.
Agreed, maybe Mou really planned for a 352, but didn't expect such poor form or a lengthy bedding-in period... I have not really written off Lindelof yet, as there seems be a clear confidence issue. Will reserve judgement till next season.
I agree, or hope so. Whereas I doubt Mou regarding how he assesses and deploys creative talent, I doubt him less when it comes to picking centre-backs or defensive personel, I say that because I didn't watch or follow Lindelof before we signed him, so can't render an opinion on what to expect when he is confident and in-form.
He just seems so flacky when he is the last man having to deal with the ball, or when he has to decide on how to deal with a long ball that will bounce in front of him, that is a confidence issue and warrants more protection and grooming than from what I've seen from Axel so far, who is taking things in his stride. I'd defo consider starting Axel ahead of Lindelof in easy home games, and introduce Lindelof with 30mins remaining in his stead.
Our passing for the last 3 or 4 games has been shocking and Tuesday night was continence of that.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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6%
Axel Tuanzebe
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1%
Matteo Darmian
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1%
Sergio Romero
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1%
Scott McTominay
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1%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Luke Shaw
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 414 ratings.
Score Predictions
401,97,51
- Man Utd win
- Swansea win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 20% Swansea 0:2 Man Utd
- 19% Swansea 1:2 Man Utd
- 13% Swansea 0:1 Man Utd
- 8% Swansea 0:3 Man Utd
- 7% Swansea 1:3 Man Utd
- 6% Swansea 2:1 Man Utd
- 5% Swansea 1:1 Man Utd
- 4% Swansea 0:4 Man Utd
- 3% Swansea 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Swansea 0:0 Man Utd
- 3% Swansea 1:0 Man Utd
- 2% Swansea 5:0 Man Utd
- 2% Swansea 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Swansea 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Swansea 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% Swansea 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Swansea 2:3 Man Utd
- 0% Swansea 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Swansea 4:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Swansea
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 43% 57%
- Shots
- 10 13
- Shots on Target
- 3 5
- Corners
- 7 5
- Fouls
- 17 10
Referee
Robert Madley
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Nemanja Matic
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replaced by Luke Shaw
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replaced by Romelu Lukaku
