[2cents]

Any word on Bailly's injury?

 

[Catt]

I'm sure City, Liverpool and even Arsenal fans feel the same way towards us. We have each flattered to deceive all season long and our league positions reflect that. Spurs have come on strong of late, but were average before that.

Chelsea have been the only team to show any degree of consistency this season and will win the league because of that.

Chelsea & Spurs. The rest (Us, City, Arse & Pool) has been as bad as each other.

 

[The red panther]

Wow, he really does have it in for him. Incredible statement considering he just complained about the inhuman schedule.

The inhuman schedule doesn't apply to Shaw who hasn't played much all season and should be fresh

 

[JG3001]

Mourinho has to take a chunk of the blame for injuries this season, there have been the odd games where he could have played 'weakened' teams or made sensible subs to senior players in-game, as recently as Burnley.

 

[Freak]

Wow, he really does have it in for him. Incredible statement considering he just complained about the inhuman schedule.

To be fair, Shaw's injury troubles are getting tiresome. Nothing wrong with what Jose has said as well.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Any news on Bailly's injury. If we had him and Blind against Celta, we can cope. But missing him could lead to problems.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Our squad us simply not deep enough to handle the league and Europa. Not with Depay, Schmeiderlin and Schweinstieger gone and injuries to Fosu Mensah. Perhaps Jose needs to bite the bullet and hand debuts to Tuanzebe, Willock and McTominay in the league over the next weeks. Else we might lose out on the Europa League title.

 

[zeekey]

Our squad us simply not deep enough to handle the league and Europa. Not with Delay, Schmeiderlin and Schweinstieger gone and injuries to Fosu Mensah. Perhaps Jose needs to bite the bullet and hand debuts to Tuanzebe, Willock and McTominay in the league over the next weeks. Else we might lose out on the Europa League title.

Probably will mate. We have 3 away games now. City have 3 home games. Liverpool will beat Watford tomorrow. Come the Palace game I think top will be done and fifth place will be a scrap between us and Arsenal. I think this would have been the case regardless of today's game. Next season I think these draws will be wins.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Shit bastards. Knew it would happen after Rooneys shot hit Martial.

We're shit at home and Jose isn't doing enough to put it right. feck this squad. I want to see wholesale changes.

Rooney, Carrick, Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Lingard, Fellaini and Darmian could all go and I wouldn't give the slightest of shits other than Shaw who is unfortunate that a horrible injury destroyed his promising career.

All of Mourinhos signings have done well enough for this season so we should trust him with replacing our current players with his chosen players. If Jose struggles next season he can feck off too.

Yeah I'm a spoilt United fan born in the 80's.
No fecks given at all.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Probably will mate. We have 3 away games now. City have 3 home games. Liverpool will beat Watford tomorrow. Come the Palace game I think top will be done and fifth place will be a scrap between us and Arsenal. I think this would have been the case regardless of today's game. Next season I think these draws will be wins.

No doubt. The squad will be superior next season as will be the fire power.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Location: OT.
Opposition: low league, battling relegation.
Result: DRAW.

This seems quote normal, now.
I believe we are playing C.Palace soon, at OT. If this is the case, that'll be a guaranteed draw, right there.



So, Darmian - a senior player who has played at the very highest level - is not totally comfortable as CB (which I accept).
So your idea is to play some teenagers in CB?
What makes you think that teenagers can do a better job than Darmian/Blind?

Obviously Blind can play there and has, but he is usually complemented by a quicker partner or a taller partner. Darmian is neither. Tuanzebe is fast and good in the air, as well as having a natural sense of how to play this position.

Just personally would hope mourinho would trust him rather than playing other players out of position. If Van Gaal hadn't trusted Rashford we wouldn't ever have brought him through in all likelihood

 

[Celestiale]

No doubt. The squad will be superior next season as will be the fire power.

Won't turn us into a decent team, as long as we don't have a working system and a cohesion. The main problem are the tactics, the system, and that's on Mourinho, not the players.
We are pretty much a Real Madrid Galactico's 2.0 right now, only with worse individual players. Look how it panned out for them back then.
I'd rather take (current) teams like Atletico, Monaco or Liverpool (god forbid) as example.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

After that today I wouldn't be picking Rooney again. So, he scored a penalty. Martial can take penalties, Herrera can take penalties, Mata can take penalties. That is his only purpose.

yeah he looked very poor, reminded me of last season and back under moyes. Makes me wonder if 90% of the progress we have made going forward has been simply dropping rooney for ibrahimovic

 

[Zlatattack]

While I've criticized him a lot, I don't doubt that he's one of the best managers. But I think a lot of the problems besetting this club can only be fixed over years, not in a couple of transfer windows.

One of the big problems that jumps out at me is that the senior players who you'd think of as 'United' players (Rooney, Carrick, Valencia, etc.), several of them are older and on their way out of the club. I don't think it's any coincidence that Rooney, Carrick, and Valencia played such a key part of winning our last 2 cup finals. 2 of them are past it but they still have some understanding of what it means in those kinds of games.

The veteran players who will be left (Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Herrera, Blind, etc.) either came here during one of the last 2 managerial turnovers or just joined the squad this season. De Gea is an exception, he joined the last of SAF's teams while at a young age, so we, hopefully, keep him in the team for a few more years.

This kind of shuffling makes it impossible for any manager to build any kind of psychology with a team. Our only consistent captain over the past few seasons has been Rooney, who IMO has been wanting in that role. It's no coincidence that Ibra came right off the airplane and immediately became a leader in the dressing room. There are just not enough authoritarian figures in the squad, if any, to drive the team and with players in and out so much it's hard for any personalities to emerge.

It's going to sound sentimental, but having good players who were developed in your own system also means a lot. The title-winning squads SAF fielded would have been completely different if players like Scholes, Giggs, G. Neville, were not playing for us - or perhaps we wouldn't have won those titles at all. This is where our academy has largely failed. I think Rashford will be a good player, but the PL is currently littered with rejects from our academy like McNair, Love, King, Campbell, etc. who are not up to the standard we need. We have a few fringe first-teamers like TFM and players like Pereira on loan, but none of them look any kind of certainty to make it. Lingard is a decent squad option but I think he's overrated just for the fact that he's 'made it' at United.

I'm not a very sentimental guy, but when you have no clear leaders in the team for long term and a squad of players who have been around for all of about 5 minutes (and may very well leave soon), with no real sense of being a 'United player,' who provides that extra for the shirt? I know this is a dying idea in football nowadays, but the culture at United now is that no one wants to go that extra 10 yards. When players come to us from elsewhere on transfer, I doubt they see players when first in the dressing room that jump out at them as real leaders, real game-changers. The current makeup of United, from the owners to pitch level, is soft. Except when we need to spend ridiculous amounts of money...

Is there a "Chelsea way" or a "city way"? They pack thier squads with the world's best and it gets them titles. We need to do the same.

 

[Roger777]

I still cannot believe the club gave him a 100k a week contact.
That is embarrassing

Whoever gave that decision the go-ahead whether it was mou or woodward wants hauling over the coals. I cannot believe we would consider paying a wage of that amount for a bang average player. Stinks to high heaven.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Whoever gave that decision the go-ahead whether it was mou or woodward wants hauling over the coals. I cannot believe we would consider paying a wage of that amount for a bang average player. Stinks to high heaven.

Lingard was one of two players Jose praised today along with Young for their sharpness.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-vs-swansea-12967183

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Won't turn us into a decent team, as long as we don't have a working system and a cohesion. The main problem are the tactics, the system, and that's on Mourinho, not the players.
We are pretty much a Real Madrid Galactico's 2.0 right now, only with worse individual players. Look how it panned out for them back then.
I'd rather take (current) teams like Atletico, Monaco or Liverpool (god forbid) as example.

I strongly disagree.
I don't see anything wrong with our tactics. Of late we've just been dog tired. Our biggest problem this season has been fire power, not methodology. The second huge problem being lack of squad depth in terms of quality replacements for our crucial starters, after we sold 3 proper first team squad members. It's going over board to claim we don't have a working system or cohesion. That would make us like Sunderland under Moyes currently which is exactly how he managed us.......And there's no chance in hell Jose has manages us that cluelessly.

 

[DevilRed]

yeah he looked very poor, reminded me of last season and back under moyes. Makes me wonder if 90% of the progress we have made going forward has been simply dropping rooney for ibrahimovic

Without the injuries he would be nowhere near the first eleven.

We miss pogba and ibra.

 

[Roger777]

I'm surprised if we win at OT at the moment and not draw. Bottlers. Worst performance of the season. All the hard work vs Chelsea and City thrown down the dumps. Tuanzebe will not get a chance. We don't have a CB and he still stays on the bench.

We don't even have the opposition goalkeeper man of the match excuse. No real chances created, apart from the Rooney chance unfortunately blocked.

PISS POOR.

Edit: Sometimes I don't want us in the CL. We would get hammered playing like that vs Real Madrid, Barca, Atletico, Bayern or Juventus. Just imagine that performance today against those top sides.

Doesn't bare thinking about mate. The phrase laughing stock comes to mind

 

[djembatheking]

We look mentally and physically shot . If Liverpool win tomorrow I just hope that we can come back from Celta on Thursday and still be in the tie . I can then see Jose resting as many as possible for the home game with Celta . A Liverpool draw or loss tomorrow and I can see us bumbling along as we are now and ending up with feck all .
Frustrating as feck but only got ourselves to blame . Truth is we are not good enough and the damage was done earlier in the season when we were injury free and we were not physically shot .

 

[DomesticTadpole]

We look mentally and physically shot . If Liverpool win tomorrow I just hope that we can come back from Celta on Thursday and still be in the tie . I can then see Jose resting as many as possible for the home game with Celta . A Liverpool draw or loss tomorrow and I can see us bumbling along as we are now and ending up with feck all .
Frustrating as feck but only got ourselves to blame . Truth is we are not good enough and the damage was done earlier in the season when we were injury free and we were not physically shot .

I agree, our wasteful finishing earlier in the season has done for us now.

 

[djdhrubs]

We're a team that's obviously pretty tough to beat but aren't very good at finishing and have a lot of injuries to important players.

Essentially, we're ok as a Cup team.

We need to be absolutely certain of winning the Europa league. If we do that, no one will care where we finish in the league this season.

It sounds like Pogba and Mata will be back for the Europa games, and Fellaini is available. The centre back sitch is worrying, but we should still have enough for Celta Vigo.

Then get a couple of centre backs fit and back into the side and play our Cup final.

 

[caid]

Should i bother watching this match then?
Or will it just be really frustrating and rubbish?

 

[LazyRed-Ninja]

Huge learning curve for the team. This upcoming period will ask questions of the players mentality and the manager will be on the front row observing it.

 

[Hugh Jass]

We are resolute defensively. It is attack where we falter. We need a new striker that's for sure. Do we need another attacker to complement the striker? No so sure. I think we are close. Looking at Spurs, they are fighters; they are men. That's the kind of attitude we need next season.

 

[Steven7290]

Should i bother watching this match then?
Or will it just be really frustrating and rubbish?

Watch it white text
City dropped points too, we just needed to not concede that free kick and we were 3rd...

 

[minoo-utd]

While I've criticized him a lot, I don't doubt that he's one of the best managers. But I think a lot of the problems besetting this club can only be fixed over years, not in a couple of transfer windows.

One of the big problems that jumps out at me is that the senior players who you'd think of as 'United' players (Rooney, Carrick, Valencia, etc.), several of them are older and on their way out of the club. I don't think it's any coincidence that Rooney, Carrick, and Valencia played such a key part of winning our last 2 cup finals. 2 of them are past it but they still have some understanding of what it means in those kinds of games.

The veteran players who will be left (Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Herrera, Blind, etc.) either came here during one of the last 2 managerial turnovers or just joined the squad this season. De Gea is an exception, he joined the last of SAF's teams while at a young age, so we, hopefully, keep him in the team for a few more years.

This kind of shuffling makes it impossible for any manager to build any kind of psychology with a team. Our only consistent captain over the past few seasons has been Rooney, who IMO has been wanting in that role. It's no coincidence that Ibra came right off the airplane and immediately became a leader in the dressing room. There are just not enough authoritarian figures in the squad, if any, to drive the team and with players in and out so much it's hard for any personalities to emerge.

It's going to sound sentimental, but having good players who were developed in your own system also means a lot. The title-winning squads SAF fielded would have been completely different if players like Scholes, Giggs, G. Neville, were not playing for us - or perhaps we wouldn't have won those titles at all. This is where our academy has largely failed. I think Rashford will be a good player, but the PL is currently littered with rejects from our academy like McNair, Love, King, Campbell, etc. who are not up to the standard we need. We have a few fringe first-teamers like TFM and players like Pereira on loan, but none of them look any kind of certainty to make it. Lingard is a decent squad option but I think he's overrated just for the fact that he's 'made it' at United.

I'm not a very sentimental guy, but when you have no clear leaders in the team for long term and a squad of players who have been around for all of about 5 minutes (and may very well leave soon), with no real sense of being a 'United player,' who provides that extra for the shirt? I know this is a dying idea in football nowadays, but the culture at United now is that no one wants to go that extra 10 yards. When players come to us from elsewhere on transfer, I doubt they see players when first in the dressing room that jump out at them as real leaders, real game-changers. The current makeup of United, from the owners to pitch level, is soft. Except when we need to spend ridiculous amounts of money...

Great post. Totally agree, and for sorry Jose must spend and create his own squad, he bought Bailly and Ibra both are strong characters I think if he keeps doing that we will be fine soon hopefully. We need leaders we need someone who can understand the mentality of the players, it's so sad to see us like this.

 

[Sandikan]

Had a long drive home to stew on that one, and in conclusion it's disappointing of course, but understandable today.

Tiny turnaround between games, lots of injuries, seemingly no one who can head the ball left available to mix things up, and against a semi bogey team who are fighting for their lives.

Very different to almost all home games this season where we've absolutely dominated and couldn't score enough.

Really need positive news on Bailly, or one of Jones and Smalling to be available now (what exactly have they both done, it's been 6 weeks already!), as we cannot get away with fielding some combo of Blind/Darmian/Carrick and expect it to go well

 

[Scarecrow]

While I've criticized him a lot, I don't doubt that he's one of the best managers. But I think a lot of the problems besetting this club can only be fixed over years, not in a couple of transfer windows.

One of the big problems that jumps out at me is that the senior players who you'd think of as 'United' players (Rooney, Carrick, Valencia, etc.), several of them are older and on their way out of the club. I don't think it's any coincidence that Rooney, Carrick, and Valencia played such a key part of winning our last 2 cup finals. 2 of them are past it but they still have some understanding of what it means in those kinds of games.

The veteran players who will be left (Ibra, Mkhitaryan, Herrera, Blind, etc.) either came here during one of the last 2 managerial turnovers or just joined the squad this season. De Gea is an exception, he joined the last of SAF's teams while at a young age, so we, hopefully, keep him in the team for a few more years.

This kind of shuffling makes it impossible for any manager to build any kind of psychology with a team. Our only consistent captain over the past few seasons has been Rooney, who IMO has been wanting in that role. It's no coincidence that Ibra came right off the airplane and immediately became a leader in the dressing room. There are just not enough authoritarian figures in the squad, if any, to drive the team and with players in and out so much it's hard for any personalities to emerge.

It's going to sound sentimental, but having good players who were developed in your own system also means a lot. The title-winning squads SAF fielded would have been completely different if players like Scholes, Giggs, G. Neville, were not playing for us - or perhaps we wouldn't have won those titles at all. This is where our academy has largely failed. I think Rashford will be a good player, but the PL is currently littered with rejects from our academy like McNair, Love, King, Campbell, etc. who are not up to the standard we need. We have a few fringe first-teamers like TFM and players like Pereira on loan, but none of them look any kind of certainty to make it. Lingard is a decent squad option but I think he's overrated just for the fact that he's 'made it' at United.

I'm not a very sentimental guy, but when you have no clear leaders in the team for long term and a squad of players who have been around for all of about 5 minutes (and may very well leave soon), with no real sense of being a 'United player,' who provides that extra for the shirt? I know this is a dying idea in football nowadays, but the culture at United now is that no one wants to go that extra 10 yards. When players come to us from elsewhere on transfer, I doubt they see players when first in the dressing room that jump out at them as real leaders, real game-changers. The current makeup of United, from the owners to pitch level, is soft. Except when we need to spend ridiculous amounts of money...

Good post mate, effort is appreciated.

Also agree with @Sandikan. As Jose said post-match today - you can't separate this game from the overall context, which is - 9 games in April and all that comes with that.

 

[fellaini's barber]

More likely we'll see them as key players for whichever teams sign them like Keane and Evans and complain about getting rid.

Who in the world is complaining about getting rid of Evans? Forget it, after all people still want Welbeck back

 

[ManRant]

Feck off rooney you useless scouse cnut. Stop robbing us and leave

WTF is this?

 

[fishfingers15]

Injuries don't help.

 

[togg]

Motivation...it's all about that. Makes you realise just how bloody brilliant Ferguson was...a manager who inspired teams through simple but often superbly chosen words, often with average players, making them fight for every minute and second on that pitch because they owed it for wearing that shirt and owed it to the people who supported them through hard earned money - based on his working class roots. Today I felt we were so far away from that, regardless of injuries, tiredness. Goodness....didn't Ferguson's teams play multiple games for most of his tenure? I mean, people say the game has changed, faster pace etc....but feck me....you can't even tackle nowadays without the whistle blowing and then you get a 30 second breather with a freekick!!

Ferguson: “At the end of this game, the European Cup will be only six feet away from you, and you’ll not even able to touch it if we lose. And for many of you, that will be the closest you will ever get. Don’t you dare come back in here without giving your all.”

.....and he bloody meant it.......

 

[RW2]

Maybe Jose thinks that the two points for a win system is still in place, as that would place United third

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Well that was pretty woeful, dire first half, better second half but not enough.
Injuries again, more worries.
Looked very shaky at the back first half and lack of good balls forward all round.
Lucky penalty and daft free kick to give away.

Martial, Bailly Valencia and Young only decent enough performances.
At least City didn't win and hope Liverpool slip up tomorrow.

We looked so tired, like a last match of the season and crowd seemed very quiet all match.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Who in the world is complaining about getting rid of Evans? Forget it, after all people still want Welbeck back

Thankfully the Welbeck hysteria has died down this season. Only took nearly 3 years for people to get over such a bang average player leaving. Can't even get a start for a very poor Arsenal side, says it all. I genuinely think that Wenger believed - in his own arrogant way - that he would turn Welbeck into a world beater. That clearly hasn't happened and we were right to get rid.

 

[MataFanatic]

Again, we're so so poor in these type games. The lack of ability and ideas to break-down the teams who just park the bus is worrying. We have to be doing better. Let's face it: this has cost us the league title. Results like today happened too often. Yes, the team is tired but that was no excuse earlier on in the season. Have to improve next season. Make OT a fortress again!

 

[Hugh Jass]

Could be a few shown the door in the summer. We need men.

 

[buckooo1978]

we look like a team who have run out of steam

Swansea looked more energetic and even our reliable passers like Carrick and Herrera were sloppy

Rooney was a waste of space in this game and it was a clumsy challenge that cost us.... very few decent performances and the draw was a very very costly one

we've been 'unlucky' with injuries but Jose must take some of the blame

we knew Rooney was finished
we knew Schweinsteiger was done
yet these players remained when they could have been replaced by people who could make a difference

even when Schneiderlein and Depay left he should have brought some players in

there was an inevitability about Smalling and Jones getting injured

when you consider the class of Young, Fellaini, Rooney, Lingard , the age of Carrick and the inconsistency that comes with young players like Martial and Rashford we don't have great strength in depth

19 games more than Liverpool have taken their toll and this reminds me of 06/07 when we had injury problems before the Milan game

I'm hoping we can find enough in reserve to put in a strong performance against Celta

 

[Sandikan]

Usual mix of some idiotic over emotional foolish comments with some more rationed reason.

Anyone slating Lingard today clearly has an agenda. He looked like he was turbo charged and doesn't half speed the tempo up. He'll have a good role over the coming years. Him Rashford and Martial of course all need to gain experience as they can all be a little over excited and not make the right runs and decisions at times. But that comes with experience.

Also, does anyone really expect us to make loads of changes for..Arsenal away!? Mourinho hates Wenger more than anyone, and will not want to take a beating with a weak team. I'd expect one or two changes max.

Roll on Thurdsay. Much more important that today, and I dare say the team and Jose couldn't get round that fact