[endless_wheelies]

Mourinho is getting slated but I genuinely don't think the idea was to play negatively tonight. We didn't play with a three man midfield or 3-6-1 as sometimes when we're going safety-first, we saw in the first 5 minutes the team were supposed to fly forward as against Liverpool, but Sevilla's ball retention after that initial period unnerved the players beyond all comprehension and they went completely into their shells.

If you look around the team there aren't many leaders to knock heads together on the pitch and improvise, and it's hard to see how Mourinho could have predicted the players would be so cowardly in light of recent results.

 

[MIC_FIN]

I don't think he realises that United are actually out. If a Liverpool fan said that I would tell him to feck right off.

Yeah, I'm actually that deluded. I thought because we lost, we went straight through to the final.

Ironic, the fact I was referencing Liverpool fans, and one jumps straight from under the bricks washed up on the mersey?

 

[Fer]

I wasnt able to watch the game. What formation did we use?

Correct me if I am wrong but it looked like a midfield of 3 (Matic-Fellaini-Lingard) when I watched the highlights.

Also, where did Rashford play?

 

[Catt]

@MarcusRashford, hope you feel better tomorrow

 

[wolvored]

1: He has an amazing track record of victories and silverware with big teams like Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real, 1 so he is proven
2: People are scarred for sacking him as they don't know who else can fill his boots atm. It was easy to think of someone better than Moyes and LVG but it is harder to think of someone better than Mourinho. It would be our 4th manager in 5 seasons which really isn't very good in terms of stability. Alternative to sacking Mourinho might end up worse than keeping him. 2 Deep down everyone knows what he has achieved is not enough and deep down everyone hates his football, but deep down everyone is also scarred of the alternative. It really is in a big fecking mess this club.

I knew we would have a downfall after Fergie but to see this club in such managerial shambles is just painfull and I'am not just talking about the coaching position but about our outdated managerial structure in general. Deep down I feel like this is the real problem and no coach is going to fix this. Maybay Mourinho might be the one best suited to work in these conditions, who knows.

1Change that to was.
2 Woody needs to grow a pair and feck him off.
A forward thinking attack minded manager would sort this out. We have had 2 defensive and one possession at all costs manager since fergie and it hasnt worked, so try an attack minded manager ffs. Enrique would be my choice or someone like him. Even Klopp or Poch would also make a better fist of it.

 

[Jamie Shawcross]

I genuinely think we should consider offering the managers role to Carragher. At least his attacks are fluid

 

[Hugh Jass]

I genuinely think we should consider offering the managers role to Carragher. At least his attacks are fluid

 

[JG3001]

1: He has an amazing track record of victories and silverware with big teams like Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real, so he is proven
2: People are scarred for sacking him as they don't know who else can fill his boots atm. It was easy to think of someone better than Moyes and LVG but it is harder to think of someone better than Mourinho. It would be our 4th manager in 5 seasons which really isn't very good in terms of stability. Alternative to sacking Mourinho might end up worse than keeping him. Deep down everyone knows what he has achieved is not enough and deep down everyone hates his football, but deep down everyone is also scarred of the alternative. It really is in a big fecking mess this club.

I knew we would have a downfall after Fergie but to see this club in such managerial shambles is just painfull and I'am not just talking about the coaching position but about our outdated managerial structure in general. Deep down I feel like this is the real problem and no coach is going to fix this. Maybay Mourinho might be the one best suited to work in these conditions, who knows.

The most pointless argument in existence when you look at the biggest teams (which were apparently suppose to be) in Europe over the last 10/15 years, their manager turnover, and the trophies they’ve accumulated. “Manager Stability” is not a necessity for success.

 

[bdspeedy]

I wonder if something is wrong with Pogba or if he's throwing a tantrum? We've built the team largely around him and it seems like he couldn't be bothered. He has been comically bad for several months. No wonder Jose has benched him. I can't imagine he doesn't realize that his poor form and attitude could keep him from playing for France this summer.

 

[Vernon Philander]

Where is the anger?

The lethargy, the mis-placed passes, the switching off in key moments. These all needed to be met with some sort of fury to kick the rest into shape again.

There's no one on the pitch on nights like this who will get in people's faces and say, you know what, this ain't acceptable.

You need it in one-off knock out ties when things are just not going your way.

Instead, we get the usual clapping when yet another ball sails aimlessly above everyone's head.

 

[Hugh Jass]

1Change that to was.
2 Woody needs to grow a pair and feck him off.
A forward thinking attack minded manager would sort this out. We have had 2 defensive and one possession at all costs manager since fergie and it hasnt worked, so try an attack minded manager ffs. Enrique would be my choice or someone like him. Even Klopp or Poch would also make a better fist of it.

Whilst I agree, the next coach, I would like to be like Pep. But even that is not a guarantee that you will win something because you have six good teams vying for the PL, FA Cup and League Cup. Then you have about ten or eleven trying to win the CL. But with a coach like pep, we would have dominated tonight.

Look I still back Mourinho, but I cannot see how we will change. The performance tonight was exactly the same against Celta Vigo last year, but we got the luck in that match. Now we could have a reversal of fortunes next year, assuming we make the top four. We could win things next year. But I would still rather see us dominate the poor teams, especially at home.

The thing about it is that Mourinhos tactics really come to fruition when you play against a good team. Keep it tight and hope to nick one. But on nights like tonight when you know a different manager would have dominated it is disapointing.

 

[reddaz71]

Sanchez and Pogba simply not fit to wear the shirt,strike me as the ultimate mercenaries,Valencia was a better no.7 than Sanchez thats how bad he is,Pogba is just way overrated!

 

[paulscholes18]

Best team went through over the 2 legs, the 3 things that irritated the most were

1 Pogba, if he’s fit enough for the bench he’s fit enough to start
2 Mctominay, had a very good game vs Liverpool no need for him to be dropped for Fellaini
3 Rashford scored 2 goals vs Liverpool cutting in from the left, gets shunted out to the right for a large part of the game

 

[Offside]

Cowardly disgrace to the club. Fuming with Jose. Seville? Ffs.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Sanchez and Pogba simply not fit to wear the shirt,strike me as the ultimate mercenaries,Valencia was a better no.7 than Sanchez thats how bad he is,Pogba is just way overrated!

Sanchez has only been here a few weeks; let's give him time before making judgements. He's a proven world class player. I don't know what's happened to Pogba in the past couple of months but he's been dreadful. Perhaps there is something in the rumours of a rift with Mourinho, I don't know.

 

[Mockney]

Our approach to the entire tie was an embarassment.

 

[Cassady]

Yeah, I'm actually that deluded. I thought because we lost, we went straight through to the final.

Ironic, the fact I was referencing Liverpool fans, and one jumps straight from under the bricks washed up on the mersey?

Getting personal I see and you say you aren't arsed about getting knocked out by a shitty team.

That's irony lad.

 

[BigBebe]

That was a pathetic loss.

To play against a Spanish team without controlling the midfield is utter nonsense. Jose has to take responsibility for that result.

 

[Fitchett]

That was the worst, most cowardly performance I have ever seen from a United team in a European match at Old Trafford. Players just dicking about, rolling the ball across the pitch in their own half, strolling as if they were 3-0 up when the game was 0-0 well into the second half. Inexcusably, this complete lack of urgency continued after Seville's first goal and quickly led to their second goal. For the first time ever in 55 years of watching United, I got up after the second goal and left the ground. If the highly paid players and manager can't be arsed, then why should I, after having paid £42 to watch the team play like a Van Gaal team in a must win game. Only Bailly and Lukaku can come away from the match with any credit. Mourinho needs to completely change his attitude and tactics immediately, otherwise its time for a new manager who is in keeping with present day football tactics.

 

[Heinzesight]

After the high of beating the Scousers, you’d think the players would be buzzing, when in reality they had all the enthusiasm and determination of a wet wipe.

 

[wolvored]

I agree. We should have attacked them. I don't like Mourinho's tactics either. I wish we were playing brilliant attacking football, and winning games, too.

But you can't have your cake and eat it, too. Not with Mourinho. His pragmatism is the reason why we are back in the knockouts of the UCL, sitting 2nd in the league, and won two cups last season. It's never pretty, but it's effective. That's how he rolls.

Do we need to move on to a better attacking manager some time? Yes. But as of now, for the first time post Fergie, I feel we have some stability in results. This is our best European run, our best league position, and our strongest squad since Fergie. I'd rather we didn't gamble it away so quickly.

feck off mourinhos a disgrace and a coward. We got no chance of winning the big two with him in charge

 

[Amadaeus]

We should have just played hoof ball like we did versus Liverpool, since we have a manager that does not know how to put together a cohesive attacking side.

 

[Cee90]

This is going to sound stupid...

But does anyone actually know how good we are?

Since Sir Alex left, I have no idea what to expect anymore.

Are we really good enough to win the Premier League or the Champions League?

Doesn't look like it. Yet here I am, gutted about our latest result, like we really had a good shot at winning the competition.

One thing's for sure, I really took Sir Alex for granted.

 

[Red Star One]

Still can't believe this shiet

 

[Problem-free Philosophy]

Started out complacent. Then turned feckless. Then panicky, clueless and shit. I have no issues with us playing defensively against the likes of Liverpool but we simply must be better in attack against inferior teams. Ffs this isn't a great deal different to the match against Palace minus the miraculous comeback. Warning signs were there. Awful.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

This is going to sound stupid...

But does anyone actually know how good we are?

Since Sir Alex left, I have no idea what to expect anymore.

Are we really good enough to win the Premier League or the Champions League?

Doesn't look like it. Yet here I am, gutted about our latest result, like we really had a good shot at winning the competition.

One thing's for sure, I really took Sir Alex for granted.

We have better players than current performances suggest. At the moment the whole is definitely less than the sum of the parts. No creativity, no urgency, no confidence, which has to be drilled into the team by the manager. We are playing way below the standard of the players we have.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

I am now officially sick and tired of mourinho and his super shit negative defensive shite boring game destroying tactics

 

[wolvored]

Whilst I agree, the next coach, I would like to be like Pep. But even that is not a guarantee that you will win something because you have six good teams vying for the PL, FA Cup and League Cup. Then you have about ten or eleven trying to win the CL. But with a coach like pep, we would have dominated tonight.

Look I still back Mourinho, but I cannot see how we will change. The performance tonight was exactly the same against Celta Vigo last year, but we got the luck in that match. Now we could have a reversal of fortunes next year, assuming we make the top four. We could win things next year. But I would still rather see us dominate the poor teams, especially at home.

The thing about it is that Mourinhos tactics really come to fruition when you play against a good team. Keep it tight and hope to nick one. But on nights like tonight when you know a different manager would have dominated it is disapointing.

I was never a fan of mourinhos tactics. Yes he was a winner with a tight defence, but we havent got that. With a world class winger or two, but we havent got that. With a world class forward, and Lukakus good but not world class. We should be looking for a young(ish) attacking manager and replace Mou with him. Mou is washed up and his best days are behind him.

 

[Frank Grimes]

I genuinely think we should consider offering the managers role to Carragher. At least his attacks are fluid

Very good.

 

[TheReligion]

Getting personal I see and you say you aren't arsed about getting knocked out by a shitty team.

That's irony lad.

You're posting in the United section of the forum. Have a bit of respect or feck off elsewhere.

 

[Jaybomb]

What can I say that hasn’t already been said?

I expected us to go out tonight. All that bragging and gloating about beating the Scousers was bound to come back and bite us. I thought it would be a 1-1 or 2-2 draw. I didn’t expect that gutless performance. That was painful to watch.

Lukaku was the only one who give a damn out there. Everyone else was below par. With the exception of maybe Bailly.

Sanchez has been shit since coming here. This cannot go unsaid. It’s like he’s not even the same player. And people will blame Jose but what about his performances? He’s gotten himself into situations where he could have scored goals and he hasn’t. He’s losing the ball consranrly. He’s hesitating every time he’s in the box. If he doesn’t pick it up soon, fans will lose their patience with him. It’s been almost two fecking months. We brought him in to win us games like tonight and he was nowhere to be seen. 300k a week he’s on. We would be no worse if we put somebody like Angel Gomes on tonight.

Again I’ll say it... we will NEVER become an Elite club again if we have Smalling, Young and Jones at the back. Never never never. The sooner everyone starts to realise this and the club signs some bloody world class defenders, the better. Why are we not in for Fabinho, Varane, Alderweireld, Sandro? These are players that win you Champions Leagues. I’m sick of the sight of these Ferguson cast offs still in our squad. Look at how many players Pep shipped out at City. Look how much he’s spent on defenders. And yet Mourinho is still using Valencia, Young, Smalling and Jones. Those were from Fergies era FFS. The club needs to wake up.

This has been a terrible season. Top four is worthless if the end result is fecking Sevilla. We might be better off coming 7th and avoiding European football altogether. Leicester won the Premier League doing that... Chelsea won it doing that. It’s probably our best chance. Cause some of these players in our squad are just not Champions League quality. They’re fecking Stoke quality and nobody can convince me otherwise.

I still want Mourinho to stay but he got it wrong tonight. Mata should have started... probably McTominay aswell. When Mata’s on the pitch, we play football. When he’s off the pitch, the difference is huge. We start playing this garbage “hit and hope” style of play. And when Fellaini’s on the pitch, it’s even worse. It’s like everyone is aiming for his fecking Afro instead of playing it on the ground and making some silky passes together. That is why Juan Mata is our most important player. Feck Pogba, feck Sanchez, feck everyone else. When Mata doesn’t play, YOU KNOW the difference.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I am now officially sick and tired of mourinho and his super shit negative defensive shite boring game destroying tactics

Tonight was the first time I got a proper Van Gaal vibe off this team. Some of our football was as excruciating as the dullest shite the last manager served up. That’s not good. Not good at all.

 

[The Purley King]

Unacceptable full stop.
No urgency no nothing we deserved to get beat.
This was down to motivation which is down to Jose. Huge black mark tonight.....

 

[Parry Gallister]

I genuinely think we should consider offering the managers role to Carragher. At least his attacks are fluid

 

[Ban]

Tonight was the first time I got a proper Van Gaal vibe off this team. Some of our football was as excruciating as the dullest shite the last manager served up. That’s not good. Not good at all.

Oh.. If you're saying this Pogue, then we're screwed. I always looked up for your posts to calm down after stuff like this (although this is the worst this season) but now you're saying it like that.

 

[ghagua]

With so much at stake, that was a disgraceful performance from the team and the manager. The way the team was playing, they clearly had instructions on how to approach the game. Not talking about sloppy passes or individual mistakes, but the way the team was set up and the approach to the game. Got exactly what we deserved. Glad this is out of the way, cannot continue to live in hope when there is none, not whilst this manager is in charge anyway.

 

[Parry Gallister]

Just in from the match, and that was fecking unacceptable. Can someone tell me what is going on here? We're at home in the second leg, knowing that an away goal puts us right in the shit, yet once again we start at a snail's pace and stand off the opposition. At Old Trafford we should be on the front foot from kick off, pressing the opposition and not giving them a moment to think. The current tactics of inviting the opposition on and hoping to nick a goal on the break, aren't working, and that's down to Mourinho. He needs to have a serious think about the way he is setting up the team: there's no movement, no creativity, no urgency; and when you see the attacking options we have, that's inexcusable.

Sevilla aren't a top side. They're decent, but they shouldn't be able to live with this United team, which means something is going wrong. There's no atmosphere in the stadium because of the uninspiring style of play; it's terrible to watch. Given the money we've spent on some very good players, we need to be asking why we are playing so negatively. The patience of the fans is wearing than now, and Mourinho, intelligent guy he is, needs to recognise the problems and change his approach before it's too late.

Not good enough; nowhere near good enough. A massive opportunity wasted tonight, and it isn't even a shock; we all knew it would be the same old approach. We need another centre back and another central midfielder of top quality and, most of all, we need a change of tactics because we have the players to produce far better than this. Enough is enough with this ultra-cautious, negative mindset.

Sort of don't agree with that.

Think we had the sort of sterile domination of the ball other teams have had against us tonight - if anything, we would have been better being more negative and playing deeper for the counter, as the team seemed to have no idea how to break them down tonight and create good chances. You can say that lack of know-how comes from Jose's preferred 'negative' tactics; might be, don't have a clue. That and individual poor performances/selections.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

What can I say that hasn’t already been said?

I expected us to go out tonight. All that bragging and gloating about beating the Scousers was bound to come back and bite us. I thought it would be a 1-1 or 2-2 draw. I didn’t expect that gutless performance. That was painful to watch.

Lukaku was the only one who give a damn out there. Everyone else was below par. With the exception of maybe Bailly.

Sanchez has been shit since coming here. This cannot go unsaid. It’s like he’s not even the same player. And people will blame Jose but what about his performances? He’s gotten himself into situations where he could have scored goals and he hasn’t. He’s losing the ball consranrly. He’s hesitating every time he’s in the box. If he doesn’t pick it up soon, fans will lose their patience with him. It’s been almost two fecking months. We brought him in to win us games like tonight and he was nowhere to be seen. 300k a week he’s on. We would be no worse if we put somebody like Angel Gomes on tonight.

Again I’ll say it... we will NEVER become an Elite club again if we have Smalling, Young and Jones at the back. Never never never. The sooner everyone starts to realise this and the club signs some bloody world class defenders, the better. Why are we not in for Fabinho, Varane, Alderweireld, Sandro? These are players that win you Champions Leagues. I’m sick of the sight of these Ferguson cast offs still in our squad. Look at how many players Pep shipped out at City. Look how much he’s spent on defenders. And yet Mourinho is still using Valencia, Young, Smalling and Jones. Those were from Fergies era FFS. The club needs to wake up.

This has been a terrible season. Top four is worthless if the end result is fecking Sevilla. We might be better off coming 7th and avoiding European football altogether. Leicester won the Premier League doing that... Chelsea won it doing that. It’s probably our best chance. Cause some of these players in our squad are just not Champions League quality. They’re fecking Stoke quality and nobody can convince me otherwise.

I still want Mourinho to stay but he got it wrong tonight. Mata should have started... probably McTominay aswell. When Mata’s on the pitch, we play football. When he’s off the pitch, the difference is huge. We start playing this garbage “hit and hope” style of play. And when Fellaini’s on the pitch, it’s even worse. It’s like everyone is aiming for his fecking Afro instead of playing it on the ground and making some silky passes together. That is why Juan Mata is our most important player. Feck Pogba, feck Sanchez, feck everyone else. When Mata doesn’t play, YOU KNOW the difference.

I agree with much of this, particularly the point about the defence. Smalling, Blind and Jones need to be moved on, IMHO, and we need a world class partner for Bailly; then we have Lindelof to become more involved. There's too much mediocrity to choose from, when we need the very best - more quality over quantity. We haven't conceded many goals this season, but much of that has been due to the brilliance of de Gea.

I also agree that we are better with Mata. Jose clearly doesn't rate him as highly as many of the fans do. As for Sanchez, it's early days and I'm sure he'll adjust and improve greatly.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Sort of don't agree with that.

Think we had the sort of sterile domination of the ball other teams have had against us tonight - if anything, we would have been better being more negative and playing on the counter as we had no idea how to break them down and create chances.

No, I can't agree. If we were any more negative, we'd have had eleven men on the goal line. We should be taking the game to a team like Sevilla at Old Trafford. Press them, close them down and attack. We have the players to do it.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Tonight was the first time I got a proper Van Gaal vibe off this team. Some of our football was as excruciating as the dullest shite the last manager served up. That’s not good. Not good at all.

Yeah tonight feels like a watershed moment. I can take losing, I can even take playing badly and losing, but to go out like that. Such a cowardly embarrassing defeat against an at best decent Sevilla side. Really did remind me of our European exit to Liverpool.

I've generally supported Jose and I really can't be arsed going through the whole new manager thing but tonight was so bad it's really made me question if it would be so bad to get rid in the Summer. Much like how I felt at the end of Van Gaal I really am not sure I can watch another year of that.