Mourinho did the best he could all things considered. We are a decimated team at the moment being asked to play more games than most clubs and against top teams. It was a case of damage limitation and to get a point is a good result. One thing that was very obvious last night though is how much we missed Pogba. I'm hoping the fraternity who have found him wanting will start to realise what a positive influence he is as a player and one we should be supporting wholeheartedly. With a pre-season under his belt...we are going to see one helluva player next season methinks.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester City 0:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Thu, 27 April 2017
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This team has more problems than I thought.
Throughout the season, a number of players have been very inconsistent and that has cost us many points. Yesterday's game was further proof. It was a time for Mikhi, Martial and Fellaini to really come to the party but they kept blowing hot and cold. Based entirely on what I have seen this season (massive inconsistency. Good today, average or poor tomorrow), I would sell the three. But you just feel Mikhi and Martial have a second and third gear they can shift into if they apply themselves (consistently).
The worrying thing is that there are others like that including some who didn't play yesterday. Darmien, Shaw, Lingard, Rooney, Smalling, Jones.
Jose was right, we'll need at least two windows to fix some of our problems.
Throughout the season, a number of players have been very inconsistent and that has cost us many points. Yesterday's game was further proof. It was a time for Mikhi, Martial and Fellaini to really come to the party but they kept blowing hot and cold. Based entirely on what I have seen this season (massive inconsistency. Good today, average or poor tomorrow), I would sell the three. But you just feel Mikhi and Martial have a second and third gear they can shift into if they apply themselves (consistently).
The worrying thing is that there are others like that including some who didn't play yesterday. Darmien, Shaw, Lingard, Rooney, Smalling, Jones.
Jose was right, we'll need at least two windows to fix some of our problems.
Depends what you mean about "modern", I guess. It was definitely a thing in the previous decade. The wailing and gnashing of teeth when Fergie got us to play conservatively in an away game against Barca was hilarious.
You may be right about the 90s although isn't that just because in the pre-internet days we would surround ourselves with like-minded souls "IRL" and never heard the opinions of all the serial whingers?
For a change I thought Martial worked very hard....something that has been lacking in his game to be honest, so I took a positive out of that performance in that sense. However, things just weren't working for him last night and that happens. I'm hoping we see an improved Mikhi next season. I'm hoping he's one of those players who needs a season to settle. I really don't think Mourinho will sell him. Fellaini...well....from being pretty effective in the last 4 or 5 games he has a brainfart and has ruled himself out from a team that is already bleeding profusely with injuries - aboslute idiot. He just needed to back off...move his head backwards...not bloody forwards - at that moment he thought of his ego and masculinity.....not the ruddy team. Atkinson didn't really have much of a choice.
By modern I mean 'post-Pep' and the emergence of an army of football fans who overnight developed a complete intolerance to football played anything other than a very narrow and specific tactical way.
Was hoping for a draw and we managed to get a point out of the Etihad.
They were playing in nearly their best formationd with way less minutes in the leg this season so far. Considering our injuries, the huge amount of games we've already had + the stupid red card of Fellaini, a 0-0 was maybe the best we could have gotten.
Thus, I am happy we didn't lose - for me it's a gained point rather than two lost ones.
They were playing in nearly their best formationd with way less minutes in the leg this season so far. Considering our injuries, the huge amount of games we've already had + the stupid red card of Fellaini, a 0-0 was maybe the best we could have gotten.
Thus, I am happy we didn't lose - for me it's a gained point rather than two lost ones.
Just rubbish. I'm becoming of sick of watching us play under the master tactician and he's not even been here a full season. We're miles behind them and frankly that's a disgrace.
Well then I can confirm that moaning on the internet after a performance/result like this definitely went on "pre-Pep".
We set out with a tactic to counter attack which was completely nullified from about 45 mins onwards. Credit where its due, City were very good yesterday. Again that leads to me thinking our defence and the people helping around were fantastic too. City's pressing was excellent, wish Martial had grown some balls and spun in behind a bit in the second half
would chelsea play this free flowing football with Costa, Hazard, Pedro, Terry, Cahill and Azpi out? I dont think so.
You'd sell Mikhi after one season? And a player who is what, 20 years old, after he was our best outfield player last season, because of inconsistency this season?
Feck
Conte will get a heart attack if all of them get injured.
In that case, half of the team could be sold.
WOW thats quite an angry post..... why do people get so angry when you you descibe Mourinho tactics as defensive, it doesn't mean they are bad tactics.....And it worked to an absolute t. What are you actually complaining about? Are you annoyed about the game plan we used against Chelsea? Some people will never be happy, it seems. Our performance against Chelsea was about as dominant a top side is likely to be against another equally top team.
Also, our game plan against Chelsea wasn't about defence first, second and third and if that's what your memory is telling you a week on I'd seriously consider seeking professional help in regards to your patently fecked memory.
No i am not complaining about the tactics we used against Chelsea, Mourinho got it spot on, but yes i do think it was defence first, second and third, our main strategy was to neutralise their attack, man mark their best players out the game, and every time they got more men forward we got more men behind the ball.
but hey im sorry you disagree and it makes you so upset.
You didn't read what I wrote well mate.
I said: "Based entirely on what I have seen this season (massive inconsistency. Good today, average or poor tomorrow), I would sell the three. But you just feel Mikhi and Martial have a second and third gear they can shift into if they apply themselves (consistently)."
I didn't say I would sell them. I said based on what I have seen this season. In other words, if I were to judge based on this season. I then went on to indicate that they can certainly do better due to their potential.
Mikhi had a similar experience at Dortmund. He had average first and second seasons but exploded in his third season.
I do wonder about his mentality though. It's the inconsistency that's worrying. No doubts about his talents. Same with Martial but one can easily explain Martial's case by citing his serious domestic issues.
I guess so.
My comment didn't indicate that they should be sold just because of this season.
Grow up kid!Nil nil, regardless of how it was achieved, is infinitely better than losing to those cnuts.
So what ever.
So what ever.
Yes 10 man defence was quite good at defending
Bollocks to all the whingers. They were 90% full strength, we were missing half our team. Good away point
Still at a loss to know why Aguero wasn't booked for simulation.
By miles behind you meant we drew with them away without 4 of our starters?
I wonder how disgraceful must you think Pep is given his team couldn't score against us while at home against our makeshift defence.
Brilliant defensive display considering the players we had missing, a point puts it into our hands on a top 4 finish, I'm happy with that.
The fact of the matter is we got lucky.
It will be along time until Aguero has that many chances again without scoring.
DDG was a beast making world class save after world class save.
Up front Rashford made the runs but without Pogba we lacked the ability to get the ball to him in dangerous positions.
The midfield was overrun.
Fellaini is an accedent waiting to happen. We've had players before that you thought might get red carded(Scholes and Keane) but they brought so much to the team that their importance to the side far outweighed the risk. This is not the case with Fellaini.
It will be along time until Aguero has that many chances again without scoring.
DDG was a beast making world class save after world class save.
Up front Rashford made the runs but without Pogba we lacked the ability to get the ball to him in dangerous positions.
The midfield was overrun.
Fellaini is an accedent waiting to happen. We've had players before that you thought might get red carded(Scholes and Keane) but they brought so much to the team that their importance to the side far outweighed the risk. This is not the case with Fellaini.
Solid performance defending wise. Bailly showing quality yet again. Bar 2 Aguero chances at the start and end, it was all from range, we were very well organised and knew our roles.
Shame our midfield and attacking players (Bar Rashers) were just too slow on the ball and passing was also off, they basically just returned possession to City straight away. Darmian was a bit panicky as well but done ok. Fellaini, Martial and Mihki were just too soft on the ball though, brushed off easily and dwelled a bit also.
Had we been a bit more quicker on the ball and a few threaded balls, we had a chance to snatch more than we deserved. Rashers had Otamendi nervy for first 30 minutes, but nothing came of it second half as they defended us easily. But a draw is a good result, it leaves top 4 in our own hands still - despite it fairly tough anyway with our fixtures.
Fellaini caught reeled in like a fish. Silly from him, missing potentially 4 games in an injury ravaged squad. Soft sending off but he should have never squared up like that.
Shame our midfield and attacking players (Bar Rashers) were just too slow on the ball and passing was also off, they basically just returned possession to City straight away. Darmian was a bit panicky as well but done ok. Fellaini, Martial and Mihki were just too soft on the ball though, brushed off easily and dwelled a bit also.
Had we been a bit more quicker on the ball and a few threaded balls, we had a chance to snatch more than we deserved. Rashers had Otamendi nervy for first 30 minutes, but nothing came of it second half as they defended us easily. But a draw is a good result, it leaves top 4 in our own hands still - despite it fairly tough anyway with our fixtures.
Fellaini caught reeled in like a fish. Silly from him, missing potentially 4 games in an injury ravaged squad. Soft sending off but he should have never squared up like that.
I can think of one? The shot from Aguero that he caught? The fact he caught it made it a bit special but I don't think any PL keeper would have actually conceded from that shot. What other world class saves are you thinking of?
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Defensively we put in a great shift, Bailly was ice-cold back there.
Didn't expect an attacking performance but didn't expect us to be that inept to be honest - we couldn't even get the ball off them, nor did it seem like we wanted to.
A good point at the end of the day.
Fellaini is a joke. That's why Jose needs to see he doesn't belong at a huge club, he doesnt' have the brain for it. Cannot be relied upon. Aguero made a meal of it but if one of their players had done that to one of our own, we'd have been calling for a red card all day so no complaints there.
We seriously need new players though, this squad is thin and we're down to the bare bones going into crunch time. Sucks for TFM picking up a serious injury after what, 5min on the pitch or something.
Kinda dreading Vigo now, what with a game beforehand.
Didn't expect an attacking performance but didn't expect us to be that inept to be honest - we couldn't even get the ball off them, nor did it seem like we wanted to.
A good point at the end of the day.
Fellaini is a joke. That's why Jose needs to see he doesn't belong at a huge club, he doesnt' have the brain for it. Cannot be relied upon. Aguero made a meal of it but if one of their players had done that to one of our own, we'd have been calling for a red card all day so no complaints there.
We seriously need new players though, this squad is thin and we're down to the bare bones going into crunch time. Sucks for TFM picking up a serious injury after what, 5min on the pitch or something.
Kinda dreading Vigo now, what with a game beforehand.
The performance has grown on me. It's been a while since I've felt so comfortable defensively in a big away match, and In increasingly like that under Mourinho.
our passing was crap
the ref was crap
city were crap
herreras header was crap
our attack were... yep,crap. First 20 mins aside. Which showed us how to play these and we stopped doing it. What was Martial doing taking them on nearly every time. Some of his passing the odd time he did actually pass was so bad you'd wonder if the lad can play at all.
I cant help but think that city were there for the taking and we got our attack play wrong. It was a day for fast fast fast, hit the channels and early balls/crosses into the box.
our defence was soild again and its a good point. Against 10 men and that Jesus chance, take the point and run.
And Mo Fellaini, the next time you want to get a 3 game ban at least send the little argie cnut to the line on a stretcher, ffs, he bought and sold the fuzzy headed dope.
the ref was crap
city were crap
herreras header was crap
our attack were... yep,crap. First 20 mins aside. Which showed us how to play these and we stopped doing it. What was Martial doing taking them on nearly every time. Some of his passing the odd time he did actually pass was so bad you'd wonder if the lad can play at all.
I cant help but think that city were there for the taking and we got our attack play wrong. It was a day for fast fast fast, hit the channels and early balls/crosses into the box.
our defence was soild again and its a good point. Against 10 men and that Jesus chance, take the point and run.
And Mo Fellaini, the next time you want to get a 3 game ban at least send the little argie cnut to the line on a stretcher, ffs, he bought and sold the fuzzy headed dope.
For two of the most expensive squads in history that was absolute rudimentary football. Too many games are spoiled with these negative tactics. No skill or quality. Barely any intensity. It's all about waiting for someone to feck up. But in both cases neither defence were made to work or become disorganised in order to feck up.
City switching play side to side waiting for space to magically appear rather than going through the gears. Utd hoofing the ball without even looking up for a team mate. If you call this a tactical master-class than so must have been every team who walked away from OT and Etihad with a point.
City switching play side to side waiting for space to magically appear rather than going through the gears. Utd hoofing the ball without even looking up for a team mate. If you call this a tactical master-class than so must have been every team who walked away from OT and Etihad with a point.
Even though the game was dire, and from an attacking point of view we were non-existent. I was very happy with how solid we looked and how the players gave their all for the cause. A point is a good result away to city. We look and feel like a Mourinho side more and more.
If we could sign a couple of players in the final third who could make a difference and a top class cm we will be ok next season.
If we could sign a couple of players in the final third who could make a difference and a top class cm we will be ok next season.
When did this happen?
The annoying thing is in the opening 20 minutes we actually looked very dangerous on the counter attack and I thought " here we go, this is on".
And then the next 70 minutes we didn't attack. Other than the Herrera header from a free kick we barely got in their half.
Still, it's a decent point.
And then the next 70 minutes we didn't attack. Other than the Herrera header from a free kick we barely got in their half.
Still, it's a decent point.
There's something about a Pep vs Mou derby that just seems to bring out the worst in these quasi twitter celebrities that call themselves football journalists.
At some point between reading the tweets of Neil Cameron and Kieran Canning, I've decided I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than spend anymore time on Twitter until these wankers find something else to be smug and unpleasant about.
It's amazing to me, how it can, effectively, be your job to watch football and you can still manage to be so wrong about it and as reactionist as a 15 year old on Facebook, just with that added modern football journo smugness.
At some point between reading the tweets of Neil Cameron and Kieran Canning, I've decided I'd rather stick needles in my eyes than spend anymore time on Twitter until these wankers find something else to be smug and unpleasant about.
It's amazing to me, how it can, effectively, be your job to watch football and you can still manage to be so wrong about it and as reactionist as a 15 year old on Facebook, just with that added modern football journo smugness.
We are but 1 point behind them in the league and currently on a record breaking undefeated run. How could you possibly have come to the conclusion that we are miles behind them?
Had a work thing so can someone give me a brief unbiased idea of what the game was like (is it worth watching the 90 mins I taped?)
It was an atrocious game of football and only one team was interested in winning it. I felt sorry for our forwards who didn't stand a chance for most of the game and particularly Rashford who ran himself into the ground once again.
A point is an okay for us but it doesn't help much when we've still got a tough games to come and a congested run of fixtures until the end of the season. I'd like to think we would've pushed a bit more if Fellaini didn't get himself sent off in the latter stages but I'm still massively disappointed in the way Mourinho chose to set up.
A point is an okay for us but it doesn't help much when we've still got a tough games to come and a congested run of fixtures until the end of the season. I'd like to think we would've pushed a bit more if Fellaini didn't get himself sent off in the latter stages but I'm still massively disappointed in the way Mourinho chose to set up.
Unless you wanna watch us defend for 70 minutes I'd give it a miss.
It's all part and parcel of being a modern day football fan, sad as that sounds. I tend to stear clear of twitter, facebook or social media in general typically to avoid the click-bait bullshit that these so called football journos feel the need to share with us.
24 games unbeaten and (rightfully) lots of grumbles about number of drawn games , the run started on October 29 with a 0-0 draw against Burnley at Old Trafford. The run consists of 13 wins and 11 draws.
Twenty-four games equals the record set by Sir Alex Ferguson's 2010-11 side that won the Premier League. That included 15 wins and nine draws. Only 4 points more than the same run this season so as many have said so close and yet so far.
Twenty-four games equals the record set by Sir Alex Ferguson's 2010-11 side that won the Premier League. That included 15 wins and nine draws. Only 4 points more than the same run this season so as many have said so close and yet so far.
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Compiled from 511 ratings.
Score Predictions
291,116,179
- Man Utd win
- Man City win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 22% Man City 1:2 Man Utd
- 20% Man City 1:1 Man Utd
- 12% Man City 0:1 Man Utd
- 9% Man City 2:1 Man Utd
- 6% Man City 0:2 Man Utd
- 6% Man City 2:2 Man Utd
- 4% Man City 0:0 Man Utd
- 4% Man City 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 1:0 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 1:3 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:3 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 1:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Man City
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 69% 31%
- Shots
- 19 3
- Shots on Target
- 6 1
- Corners
- 7 4
- Fouls
- 10 8
Referee
Martin Atkinson
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