Didn't Jose say he got injured with the last kick of the game?
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Manchester City 0:0 Manchester United
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Thu, 27 April 2017
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Didn't Jose say he got injured with the last kick of the game?
Bernardo Silva would help us immensely to this effect.
Thanks mate. I was beginning to wonder if that was not obvious. For all the support he gets, Martial has not exactly taken his chances on a consistent basis this season and Mikhi has also been a bit underwhelming. His recent goals aside, I've noticed his overall quality has been average. A game like today's with the big guns absent, you expect Mikhi to lead the attacking army. He was bullied off the ball too easily and failed to find defining passes. Mikhi and Martial really need to up their games at this business end of the season, especially with all the injury problems.
Yeah.. I do agree with your notion of your post, when you do consider the injuries and playing attackers who haven't played much together in them positions it is hard to gel to get any cohesion going.. so, could be more to do with that then the actual tactics actually..
I just got tired of seeing us sit so far back with even Martial and Mkhi playing wing back and way too deep to do anything with a counter attack, and them two losing the ball and then the only real tactic was to hoof a ball to try and get Rashford away.
But in the longer scheme of things a point away there isn't a bad result considering it leaves us two points behind Liverpool with a game in hand.
Yes, we would've kept the same defensive line. It's what we would've done with the ball in posession imo. At times we had Fellaini with the ball and Rashford making clear runs in behind only Fellaini to play side ways. We had the same approach against Chelsea at home. If we had Pogba or Mata feeding Rashford, it would've been different than "10 men behind the ball holding for their lives".
It's what Jose does best and this is why he won so much especially with underdogs. Sit deep, give you the ball and as soon as you make a mistake, we bite you. Low risk - maybe, successful and proven tactics - definitely. We can play more attacking football against worse opposition, but against top opposition and especially away in Europe, we will always play more or less like this.
Regarding my first reply. I said your comment didn't convince me because you can't really compare two games, one being in September and another in April, like you did. The original poster (can't remember who he was and I am too lazy to go back through this thread
) pointed out that we missed a lot of key players and it showed on our game, which is absolutely true. May be it seemed to offensive, but it wasn't meant in that way.One other notable thing tonight was that we lost almost every 50-50 ball. It was so obvious and it helped City have more possession than they should have.
I do get the feeling that Celta de Vigo was on their minds. Maybe Jose instructed them to avoid injuries considering the already bad injury situation.
I do get the feeling that Celta de Vigo was on their minds. Maybe Jose instructed them to avoid injuries considering the already bad injury situation.
Away from home. Outplayed. 0-0. Good result.
Couple of good opportunities in the first 45 to nick a goal too.
Point gained. Certainly not two points lost.
Couple of good opportunities in the first 45 to nick a goal too.
Point gained. Certainly not two points lost.
Bailey has been the buy of the season for me, he is a rock at the back and worth every cent we paid.
Not sure where Mikki was tonight tho, I cannot recall him doing anything of note. He should have been the link between the midfield and the attack that was sorely missing tonight
Yeah, pretty much sums up my evening,
Bag of shite. City aren't good, whatsoever. A point is a decent result but we played like a set of wet flannels. Apart from Bailly.
We did. Mikhi hit the best chance in the game straight down their keeper's throat. Herrera a close second.
Crappy game but we've played far worse in that ground since they won the lottery. Don't see much to be overly miffed about.
Glad to hear it. From the BBC live text, it came across like they were hammering our goal, or in their words "an FA Cup third round tie with a Premier League team playing League One opposition".
In the remaining fixtures, City have 3 home (Palace, Leicester, WBA) and 2 away (Boro & Watford) with no other commitments.
Liverpool have 2 home (Soton & Boro) and 2 away (Watford & West Ham) with no other commitments.
We have 2 home (Palace & Swansea) and 3 away (Arsenal, Spurs & Soton) and European commitments.
Arsenal have 3 home (United, Sunderland, Everton) and 3 away (Spurs, Soton, Stoke) - the FA Cup final will be a week after their final PL fixture.
From the above it looks like our best bet of getting top four is finishing ahead of Liverpool and even then I would say the odds are stacked against us.
Correct, Aguero showed a lot of guile and baited Fellaini like a pro.
Especially on a yellow card, Fellaini should have known better.
Oh and never, ever let the bog brush anywhere near old trafford ever again
The way I saw it, they both went for each other but Aguero fell like a ton of bricks as soon as he was touched. If Fellaini had the presence of mind to fall down as well he would not have gotten the red. Unfortunately that's football today.
I was talking second half. Hence the "45" (though Herreras header aside, I could've easily extended it to an hour, cos that's how long we sat back)
Defensively, yeah, I can't fault us, but going forward, that's possibly the worst I've ever seen United. Derby or not. We only got in their half a couple times in the whole second 45. We're not relegation fodder, we're a single point behind them. Also, we're Manchester fecking United!
I'll suck it up, as I say, but that was an utter shithoise of a performance going forward, injuries or no injuries. We won there last year with an almost identical side (assuming Mikhi for Mata is a fair trade)
A point is a decent outcome considering we were without our best striker, midfielder and defender.
I get that but honestly if Fellaini had have fallen down clutching his face id be so embarrassed .
We've played far worse, full stop. That soppy defeat when we threw away a several points lead in the "Aguerrooooo" season was grimmer, at both ends of the pitch. More where that came from too.
Both half's count in any assessment of a game btw.
If your just take Kompany out of that team, they would look completely different. He ties the whole defense together. Otamendi couldn't handle Rashford.
Yes it's embarrassing but sadly it's the state of football today.
It sucks, but sometimes you have to take one for the team.
Meh, poor performance , good point.
Yeah but sadly some people are better at it than others .. The sight of Fellaini going to the ground clutching his face from a tap from lil Arguero would make us a laughing stock
I've calmed down now. Not despondent at all. A draw was as much as could be expected, all things considered, As for the red card ....... well, the words frog and scorpion come to mind.
It doesn't need to be MMA bud, fellaini made firm contact with his head on purpose I'm not sure how anyone with half a brain can argue otherwise
Decent result at a ground where we've got a fairly crappy recent record. Shitty match to watch but props to our defence for keeping them out. Top four very much alive with both Liverpool and City still in our sights. Good stuff.
We missed Pog and Ibra, mind you. Anyone who talked a about "blessings in disguise" needs to give their head a wobble. Oh and Fellaini is an idiot.
Yes it was a good result, I would have taken 1 point before the game even if we had a full strenght squad seeing how we've done against City the past few years. But that wasn't what I was talking about though..
Calling me entitled because I wouldn't be raving about a shit performance even if we got a win or because I want to see good attacking football is stretching it to say the least. You're completely missing the context from the post I was replying to.
My view on how we played wouldn't change if we would have won tonight, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be over the moon with 3 points.
Where did I say that I'm unhappy about the point or unhappy if we win but play like shit? I want to see good football and I wouldn't rave about the performance tonight even if we got 8 points from it, because we simply didn't play well. You can love the points and dislike the performance, the two don't go hand in hand.
Did fellaini hit his head of aguero, yes or no? That's the only question that needs answering the rest what aguero does is irrelevant
I'll admit I'm probably being hyperbolic, and yes accumulatively we've had worse games, but you can't tell me that was anything approaching an acceptable performance going forward? We won the same game last year with a near identical team (all Mikhi & Matas being equal) so the idea our injury crisis is an excuse for spending 90% of the game in our own half doesn't wash with me.
Hell, we gave them a good game with 10 men for an hour the season before. And nearly won it!
I'm not close to turning on Jose or anything, but I can't deny that was pure, unadulterated ugly football 101. If I was an oppo, I'd be all over it as a Mourinho anti-football masterclass. I was at both losing CL finals, where we were bitchslapped by Pep, and possibly the greatest team of all time, and yet we put on far better displays than we did tonight - where we were playing a side a whole whopping one point above us.
There are 15 teams below us in the league, most of whom don't even have half the "injury ravaged" side we put out tonight. Yet I doubt that many of their travelling fans would be that thrilled by the prospect of watching them struggle to get out of their own half for a full hour, let alone go an entire half without a single promising attack. And none of them are fecking Man Utd!
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Pretty much that. Fellaini, or any other player for that matter, should be smarter than that.
Pretty much my feelings too.
It was infuriating to watch. Felt like Jose went back in time and thought he went up against Pep's Barcelona.
I've never whinged at any of our performances this season either. I thought our performance at Anfield was fine. I don't mind being conservative and hitting teams on the break, but we just refused to attack today. It was like we had a defense training session.
At least we got a point from it though.
We would have been soundly beaten tonight with the midfield and defense we had out, had we gone toe to toe with them. It's a point gained but we could have quite easily snatched a goal on another day. As soon as City pressed our midfield (i was surprised they didn't start this way), we were going nowhere.
The game panned out exactly how I expected it to. City having most of the possession, with us sitting back and trying to hit them on the counter.
In the first half we looked dangerous, at times, courtesy of runs from Rashford and Martial, but to be fair, they were few and far between.
The second half was awful. We sat back, and yes we defended well, but we offered completely zero attacking threat. I understand we set up to counter City, but to counter teams, you need to play with width and players running off the ball and breaking quickly.
We didn't do that. When we dispossessed City, because they pressed so high to win the ball back, we needed quick passes in midfield to beat the press and get in behind City's midfield. That's maybe where we missed Pogba. Although not as defence as the Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera, he has the ability to open up a team with one pass.
Overall, I am happy with the result. I was more optimistic before the game, and thought we could have nicked a win, but seeing as the game went, I think we'll be the more satisfied team.
In the first half we looked dangerous, at times, courtesy of runs from Rashford and Martial, but to be fair, they were few and far between.
The second half was awful. We sat back, and yes we defended well, but we offered completely zero attacking threat. I understand we set up to counter City, but to counter teams, you need to play with width and players running off the ball and breaking quickly.
We didn't do that. When we dispossessed City, because they pressed so high to win the ball back, we needed quick passes in midfield to beat the press and get in behind City's midfield. That's maybe where we missed Pogba. Although not as defence as the Carrick, Fellaini and Herrera, he has the ability to open up a team with one pass.
Overall, I am happy with the result. I was more optimistic before the game, and thought we could have nicked a win, but seeing as the game went, I think we'll be the more satisfied team.
What did you think of nasri sending off , vardy incident
In the end glad to get a point. Very good defensive performance.
Attacking wise started well enough but the service to the front three dried up after about 20 minutes and we posed little threat afterwards, Pogba badly missed to get some accurate passing going. But we dropped deeper and deeper and Rashford became isolated.
City had a lot of the ball but not that many close calls, the Aguero chance early on was the most dangerous.
Fellaini totally lost composure , stupid red, he'd played well enough in the first half.
Bailly MoM
Attacking wise started well enough but the service to the front three dried up after about 20 minutes and we posed little threat afterwards, Pogba badly missed to get some accurate passing going. But we dropped deeper and deeper and Rashford became isolated.
City had a lot of the ball but not that many close calls, the Aguero chance early on was the most dangerous.
Fellaini totally lost composure , stupid red, he'd played well enough in the first half.
Bailly MoM
I think it's just that his screwups haven't been so frequent as much as high profile. What reaction would you have preferred... for him to cower passively like Herrera when he allowed that player to carry him? If he flinches or backs away from Aguero... he's a laughing stock memorialized in a permanent meme. If he leans forward slightly he becomes a brute not fit to wear the badge. It's the same way I felt when people were calling the loss of Ibra a blessing in disguise... no gratitude from the fans for a season of hard work and only just a few injuries and goalposts away from competing for the title.
Indeed, and it's hard to be too bitchy because I would've probably taken a draw beforehand, but while I've never been one to rock the Jose boat either, that was awful, and I'm not going to try and sugar coat it either.
We gave up the mere notion of attacking after about 30 minutes, and while I appreciate there wasn't a great deal of choice on the bench, it can't just be blythly acceptable to cut our losses after half an hour. I expected at least some kind of reaction in the second half, motivationally or tactically. Instead we just said "feck it, try and score"...
This kind of thing rarely bothers me, but there will have been millions of viewers around the world watching, thinking United were little better than a plucky lower league side playing for a 3rd round FA Cup replay.
Yep.
Frank Lampard is a great pundit.
We had Rojo missing along with Smalling and Jones meaning Blind goes back there against Aguero.
Due to that we essentially have to protect Blind.
But keep in mind were missing Pogba who is the main connection between midfield and attack. You really realise how much we miss somebody like him who can take the ball, skip away from a player or two and keep it (using either foot) or launch us into an attack.
This reminded me so much of United vs City from 2012 where we lost 1-0. We actually were worse in attack that day (dont remember us even having a shot on target that day). We clearly went that day to draw the match. Today was kinda the same, but with the options of three in attack to hit on the counter (which we werent good at executing).
With the injuries and such, there wasnt much options to change it up either. We didnt have Zlatan/Mata as an attacking threat. Fellainis red card essentially ended any chance of us trying to sneak anything. Rooney was our only option and tbh, that would have only happened if we were losing or if they had got a red card.
Due to that we essentially have to protect Blind.
But keep in mind were missing Pogba who is the main connection between midfield and attack. You really realise how much we miss somebody like him who can take the ball, skip away from a player or two and keep it (using either foot) or launch us into an attack.
This reminded me so much of United vs City from 2012 where we lost 1-0. We actually were worse in attack that day (dont remember us even having a shot on target that day). We clearly went that day to draw the match. Today was kinda the same, but with the options of three in attack to hit on the counter (which we werent good at executing).
With the injuries and such, there wasnt much options to change it up either. We didnt have Zlatan/Mata as an attacking threat. Fellainis red card essentially ended any chance of us trying to sneak anything. Rooney was our only option and tbh, that would have only happened if we were losing or if they had got a red card.
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