At the end of the day, point not lost is a point gained.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester City 0:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Thu, 27 April 2017
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The players just aren't good enough at how they control and use the ball. Too many of those players that are good at filling the gaps when people say 'you can't have a team full of world class players'. Pogba/Zlatan wouldn't have made much difference I don't think. We'd still need more.
He wasn't superb. He did 'a job', but he isn't good enough at passing the ball. He fecked up two through balls that a better player could pull off, and would've seen Rashford through with a run on goal. If you're gonna play defensively and counter, that bit is crucial.
He wasn't superb. He did 'a job', but he isn't good enough at passing the ball. He fecked up two through balls that a better player could pull off, and would've seen Rashford through with a run on goal. If you're gonna play defensively and counter, that bit is crucial.
you said "the money spent was on players out injured which makes my post pointless". that doesn't make sense because one, we had a bunch of our recent buys there, and two, my whole point is that we need to buy "smarter" as in value for money, and better players.
same thing as what? what are you talking about? a revolving door of managers have def affected the way our squad is shaped but it still does not fully account for the top heavy squad, and even then, its a "decent" first team and just a bunch of average to poor players to fill in when they are out.
If your saying there is too much mediocrity and lack of quality depth then yes I agree
And to think people accuse millenials of being entitled. The very nerve.Decent result at a ground where we've got a fairly crappy recent record. Shitty match to watch but props to our defence for keeping them out. Top four very much alive with both Liverpool and City still in our sights. Good stuff.
We missed Pog and Ibra, mind you. Anyone who talked a about "blessings in disguise" needs to give their head a wobble. Oh and Fellaini is an idiot.
Team does not get nearly enough credit. We're unbeaten in 25 league games after a marathon season, these guys are shattered, some of them have played 3 games a week for the past month. Fatigue is very real and performance affecting. Yet we still fight. We were missing our best defender, best creative midfielder and best attacker through injury, the spine of our first team ripped out. These guys are running on fumes now, and they took a point in one of the hardest fixtures all season. No complaints from me tonight, on to Swansea.
that's all i ever said in this thread, really. good day.
Crap game from us. But there's no blame on the players, except maybe Fellaini for a stupid red.
We played so deep in our half. So I guess we got the result we set out for. So a good point gained, still in the hunt for top 4. On to the next game.
We played so deep in our half. So I guess we got the result we set out for. So a good point gained, still in the hunt for top 4. On to the next game.
In the end the game was a real disappointment. We went in there today and were so defensive and tentative. Terrified of giving up a goal. To add to this Mikhi and Martial were very disappointing. Martial especially was clumsy in and around the box, needlessly losing possession. Fellaini's game was par for the course, a couple of good hard tackles mixed in with his patented oafishness. I thought he was decent until the headbutt meltdown. I thought Rashford was brutalized and put off his game by the thuggish and cynical City defending. The Herrerra header was the best chance of the game and he cocked it up big time. We just don't have enough consistent quality esp with Ibra out. I'm getting a little sick of being wimpy versus City.
Finances are only a part if it. Does anyone in thier right mind really think just because our team is expensive we have a good side? Did you all think that when city were paying through the nose for santa cruz and adebayor?
We paid 30mil for Fellaini, he's always been shit for us. Should he be a better player because we paid too much money for him?
We paid similar amounts for Shaw and Martial because they were world class teenagers and we expected that they'd mature eventually into world class players. Does thier price tag mean each of them should suddenly mature into a senior pro because we paid a big fee?! We broke the world record to sign Pogba, we didn't need too, we did it because he's a very good player and because he's a big name which was important for the brand. Juventus knew we were desperate for a marquee name and took us to the cleaners. That's not going to make him into Leo Messi, he's just a box to box midfielder. He's never going to win us matches single handedly, his price tag won't make him into Messi.
My rant is about this idea that an expensive squad is a good squad, no its not, it's just expensive.
Mkhi has to play No10 otherwise I'd rather see lingard on the pitch. I don't think we need an overhaul but a LB and a CM would go a long way to solving our issues.
Our central midfield is so static sometimes, bar Herrera, because we have Carrick who is obviously getting on and old duck feet Fellaini who constantly plays a second off the pace
Our central midfield is so static sometimes, bar Herrera, because we have Carrick who is obviously getting on and old duck feet Fellaini who constantly plays a second off the pace
In the end the game was a real disappointment. We went in there today and were so defensive and tentative. Terrified of giving up a goal. To add to this Mikhi and Martial were very disappointing. Martial especially was clumsy in and around the box, needlessly losing possession. Fellaini's game was par for the course, a couple of good hard tackles mixed in with his patented oafishness. I thought he was decent until the headbutt meltdown. I thought Rashford was brutalized and put off his game by the thuggish and cynical City defending. The Herrerra header was the best chance of the game and he cocked it up big time. We just don't have enough consistent quality esp with Ibra out. I'm getting a little sick of being wimpy versus City.
fecking hell.
The midfield is mostly at the blame today more than the tactics. Forward line has nothing to blame for.
Our midfielders were unable to control the ball or keep it under their feet and the forward passes were a joke. We couldn't handle their pressure and were too sloopy losing the balls on the slightest pressure. They provided no support to the forward line and were easy victim for City's pressure.
If we were much better on the ball the match could have gone in a proper way than this. We couldn't even make a counter due to horrible, horrible forward passes. Our midfielders couldn't keep the ball in their feet for 5 straight seconds what a joke.
Our midfielders were unable to control the ball or keep it under their feet and the forward passes were a joke. We couldn't handle their pressure and were too sloopy losing the balls on the slightest pressure. They provided no support to the forward line and were easy victim for City's pressure.
If we were much better on the ball the match could have gone in a proper way than this. We couldn't even make a counter due to horrible, horrible forward passes. Our midfielders couldn't keep the ball in their feet for 5 straight seconds what a joke.
0 creativity without him, infact almost 0 forward accurate passing without him. Herrera has the ability but not consistently enough like Pogba.
Our attacking players, apart from Rashford, didn't make any runs.
Edit: deary fecking me, edited it to Rashford.
First 20 minutes was fascinating. Thought Jose had set up another master class system to exploit the opponent. Pep's smart though and shut it down. Then we offered nothing after that and it became a defensive slog. That was disappointing.
A lot of take from it, another brilliant defensive performance, unbeaten run continues, clean sheet, getting a result despite the fatigue and missing players. But we still look well short of a side who will compete for the title any time soon.
A lot of take from it, another brilliant defensive performance, unbeaten run continues, clean sheet, getting a result despite the fatigue and missing players. But we still look well short of a side who will compete for the title any time soon.
We should have got the win if Herrera had scored with the free header. Anyway, 1 point is not bad. That 1 point is going to be crucial as we get ahead of Liverpool with a win against Swansea. Either way, I just hope Liverpool drops points in the next games they play, thereby making it easier for us in the run in. Tottenham and Arsenal are going to be difficult games since both of those will be away. Hoping Mata and Pogba come back and provide us with the extra oomph to beat Spurs and Arsenal for the 4th spot.
It's alright being hard to beat mate but I like my teams trying to win. Not annoyed at the result but I'm annoyed of that performance. City are miles ahead of us in footballing terms whether people like to admit it or not.
Good result but doesn't it actually suit them far more than us?
There's a ball in second half when Rashford was running behind defenders and Fellaini instead of making the through he returned the ball to Martial on the left side. That summarize my whole point.
The attack got no support from the midfield even when try to running, easily because we couldn't control the ball under pressure and couldn't make a forward pass.
I must give credit to Pep for his high pressing strategy tbf.
Ref was shite
Decent point overall
Decent point overall
I don't think Fellaini's sending off tonight cost us the chance to win the match, but it's the second time this season that his naivety has impacted an otherwise solid team performance. The other occasion I can remember being the penalty which he gave away against Everton. He's sort of fine, a lot of the time, but he's shown multiple times that he can be a complete liability and even when he's playing well, he's not that good.
He surely has to go in the summer. It's a bit of 'o-ring' theory, I think. He's not completely awful, but he is probably out weakest midfield link and therefore replacing him with someone who would improve our starting line-up would be a massive improvement to both the team and the squad.
He surely has to go in the summer. It's a bit of 'o-ring' theory, I think. He's not completely awful, but he is probably out weakest midfield link and therefore replacing him with someone who would improve our starting line-up would be a massive improvement to both the team and the squad.
I actually meant Rashford being the only player making the runs, Freudian slip on my behalf. Yeah, I remember that situation, it was poor but still it was only Rashford making those runs. Nothing from Martial and Miki apart from their defensive contribution which was indeed fine.
I bet you moaned when we beat Newcastle 0-1 at St.James Park in '96 after we were absolutely battered by them all game until Cantona popped up with that volley hit into the ground, thus helping us to overhaul a 12 point deficit and win the league.
Sometimes winning ugly is a beautiful thing.
Was saying that at 70min Mark. Wasteful when we did get the ball, our passing forwards was insanely bad
I think it depends on the next 5 matches, if we do overtake them it will be seen a missed opportunity. Same for us too but we do have a lifeline in the Europa League.
Played for a draw, lucky to get it. Felt like an FA cup third round game between two teams in different leagues.
Worrying how indecisive we were at the back, players not communicating properly, leaving many 50 50 balls.
Worrying how indecisive we were at the back, players not communicating properly, leaving many 50 50 balls.
Sure I agree with that if we look at the overall performance this season, I look forward to every game now instead of being bored out of my mind during the LVG years. But I was talking specifically about this match and how I wouldn't have been one of the people raving about the 3 points if we would have stolen a 0-1 win. I know there are legitimate reasons as to why we played like we did but it was a depressing performance no matter what.
It's a great point, but the way we played was so awful..
I'm trying to be positive thinking "it's just for this season". I hope.
I'm trying to be positive thinking "it's just for this season". I hope.
Mikhi was one to take the blame too as well if I want to be fair because he was supposed to take the ball and drive it forward but each time he got the ball under his feet he got pressed and lost the ball automatically. He like our midfielders fall easy victim for their pressure.
I think Martial was too isolated on the left flank to be judged properly. He started the game well but faded quickly due to lack of any goals going in his direction.
I can appreciate sitting deep and counter attacking, but that was park the bus.
Any freekick we won was passed short because we didn't want to commit any players.
19th century football.
Any freekick we won was passed short because we didn't want to commit any players.
19th century football.
More than happy with a point, ok we didn't play well but we are playing games every 3 days at the moment and you can't expect miracles every game.
Did well to take a point, also Fellaini is a nob.
Did well to take a point, also Fellaini is a nob.
I understand your point and I don't disagree with it. An expensive player does not equate to a good one. There is however a sea of levels between Messi and Santa Cruz. It's not either this or the other. No one can argue we have one of the best squads in the world but we most definitely do have a squad that is at least better than 15 or 16 teams in this league. How do I know? Not their price but their profile internationally with their national teams and level before they came to play of us. THAT's the indicator of the potential of a player that I am using when I say that we have a squad that is good enough to compete. Add to that that we know how Mourinho operates and that not even Ronaldo, Benzema, Di Maria, Alonso and Özil was enough for him to go toe to toe with the best and you get the source of my frustration that this has nothing to do with the quality of the squad but the management approach and philosophy of our coach.
Why are you ignoring the best chance of the game?
About Mikhi and Martial, you were spot on. They were terrible at keeping the ball consistently.
About Jose's tactics, nothing in the game supports the notion that he was not interested in winning the game. That plan was so obvious: play tight, let them have the ball until halfway into our half, get the ball and try and hit them on the counter. We saw that clearly in the early part of the first half. Unfortunately, we failed to score. Considering the injury situation, the personnel available, the quality of the bench, the games ahead, City's determination to save their season, etc, the tactic was a good one.
The problem was that our midfield play turned out to be poor. Mikhi, Fellaini and Carrick just couldn't hold on to the ball long enough and find the running Rashford with the right passes. And Martial really lacked consistency today. At times, he played well, many times, he gave the ball away at crucial moments.
I was happy with the point.
Silly Red. But TFM can do the job.
Silly Red. But TFM can do the job.
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Miles ahead of us in footballing terms? They play better attacking football than us more consistently but we have a hard edge to us that most of their fans would give their eye teeth for. I think our journey to effective attack will be a lot shorter than their's to a solid defence.
Miles ahead of us in footballing terms? They play better attacking football than us more consistently but we have a hard edge to us that most of their fans would give their eye teeth for. I think our journey to effective attack will be a lot shorter than their's to a solid defence.
I think City should be more disappointed than us. We were missing Pogba tonight and I think Ibra would have even been more effective up top. I don't know what Fellaini was thinking but that was a red all day long unfortunately. Still, happy with the point and the clean sheet. If we can get this type of result in our current predicament, that's got to be a good sign, right?
Anyway, beat Swansea at the weekend and all will be forgotten.
Anyway, beat Swansea at the weekend and all will be forgotten.
Jose said tfm injured himself badly, saying possible dislocated shoulder.
TFM is injured.
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Score Predictions
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- Man Utd win
- Man City win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 22% Man City 1:2 Man Utd
- 20% Man City 1:1 Man Utd
- 12% Man City 0:1 Man Utd
- 9% Man City 2:1 Man Utd
- 6% Man City 0:2 Man Utd
- 6% Man City 2:2 Man Utd
- 4% Man City 0:0 Man Utd
- 4% Man City 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 1:0 Man Utd
- 3% Man City 1:3 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:3 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Man City 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Man City 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Man City 1:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Man City
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 69% 31%
- Shots
- 19 3
- Shots on Target
- 6 1
- Corners
- 7 4
- Fouls
- 10 8
Referee
Martin Atkinson
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