[SirScholes]

We would have beten this lot with ETH in charge, yes they are that bad
The same problems are still there, poor performances hidden by an expected win

Not sure what gives you that impression, we were hopeless
The problems are a total lack of threat up top, but when your options are either inexperienced and / or not of the required level then there is little you can do.
So well played Ruud on getting this team scoring goals. Spurs and city lost to teams they were expected to beat, smile more.

 

[RedRocket9908]

Not sure what gives you that impression, we were hopeless
The problems are a total lack of threat up top, but when your options are either inexperienced and / or not of the required level then there is little you can do.
So well played Ruud on getting this team scoring goals. Spurs and city lost to teams they were expected to beat, smile more.

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

 

[Mainoonited]

Someone’s got to get a grip of Rasmus and tell him the basics of centre forward play. He seemed so consumed by the physical battle and walking off you could tell he knew it was a stinker.

I think Marcus Rashford’s time here is up and it’s just a matter of when he leaves. No serious manager is even trying to persist with him.

Dalot was piss poor and the sooner we have a left back in place the better.

That’s the negatives out of the way, the others were all very good in their own way today. Hats off to van Nistelrooy as well, great subs with great timing.

Bruno, Ugarte, Casemiro and Amad were all impressive. Enjoyed the link up at times and enjoyed the desire to win the ball back.

If you can't learn being a striker from Ruud Van Nistelrooy, you're gonna struggle.

 

[elmo]

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

You realise goals scored are not counted as shots on target right?

 

[always_hoping]

What does that have to do with us beating them, FFS is this how we judge our own performances now ?
I'll bet you were over the moon because Brighton beat City, and use it as an ecuse for them beating us?

Proving others at home to Leicester this season did not get a win against them as comfortable as United did. Already this season I've seen Man United totally dominate West Ham and Palace in the 1st half of matches yet ended up only getting one point out of those two games so I don't think I'd be moaning when the team are clinical and only give up one decent scoring chance to the opposition in the game.

P.S I don't be over the moon for any team I don't support beating another team I don't support

 

[antk]

You realise goals scored are not counted as shots on target right?

Of course they are.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

The BBC's match report summarises the game slightly less favourably to what I'm reading on here ( I didn't watch the game)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c1lgj2eje9vt

Who do I believe

I was driving my kid for 2 hours to a lacrosse tourney and was listening to Talk Sport's coverage on XM Radio in the States, It was constant United bashing, even towards Bruno. Not one positive about Ugarte. They for sure felt the Foxes were 'hard done'. Thank goodness I read this thread. Feel like the post match report here is usually decently balanced , more negative even.....so happy to get the recaps from everyone on the Caf.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

We scored early and then got another in the first half. I'm sure we would have had more shots on target if the game had stayed 0-0 for a long time, but frankly we got control of the game early and basically had control of it the entire time.

Doesn't mean I don't want to see more chances/shots happening too, but it was a very comfortable game for us

 

[Stig]

Ruud playing two midfielders who were to basically stay together as defensive midfielders made us a much more solid team than under Ten Hag.

Also players not being all over the place and having more control made them less frustrated and we gave away a lot less stupid fouls and stupid yellow cards.

 

[blackhawk747]

Ruud playing two midfielders who were to basically stay together as defensive midfielders made us a much more solid team than under Ten Hag.

Also players not being all over the place and having more control made them less frustrated and we gave away a lot less stupid fouls and stupid yellow cards.

Ruud replace high line pressing to mid block pressing. this re fill the gap between front line and midfield and the defensive line. no more space to be exploited by the opposition.

Other tactical details remain the same or identical.

 

[Crostien]

I haven't yet been able to catch the full match, but am I right in thinking we did enough, some good, some bad?

I was at the PAOK match and was deflated at how much possession we allowed. Crazy stuff.

 

[McTerminator]

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

Would you rather thirty shots and no goals?

Some of you need to remember that only one stat matters.

 

[SirScholes]

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

Did we ever look like losing
Did we ever look like not winning

 

[dinostar77]

Ruud playing two midfielders who were to basically stay together as defensive midfielders made us a much more solid team than under Ten Hag.

Also players not being all over the place and having more control made them less frustrated and we gave away a lot less stupid fouls and stupid yellow cards.

If you over lap their respective heat maps from last season, you get total coverage of the midfield. They suit each other. Why ETH couldn't or refused to see this, who knows?

There was that rumour this summer that ETH didn't want Ugarte and wanted to keep mctominay and amrabat instead.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

If you can't learn being a striker from Ruud Van Nistelrooy, you're gonna struggle.

Such a simplistic view of coaching imo. Being good at x as a player doesn’t necessarily translate into anything as a coach.

 

[mctrials23]

Such a simplistic view of coaching imo. Being good at x as a player doesn’t necessarily translate into anything as a coach.

Baffling isn't it. Being good at something and being able to teach that skill, especially at the very very top level is completely different.

 

[Redfrog]

Oh please, don't give that crap!
Leicester won the EPL ! nine flipping years ago, it's not the same team.
Where did I say I wasn't happy about winning?
This lot couldn't beat Brighton, struggled against Southampton, had 3 shots at goal today, one goal was an own goal.
Yet everyone is treating like we beat Liverpool 7-0 at Anfield

And yes, it is about standards, without standards you are nothing, as Roy Keane said arriving on time is being late.

If Amorim does what he says he will do, you will see the standards return to this team and the club, he's got the reputation of being ruthless, there are going to be some ruffled feathers, he doesn't suffer ego's

No, people are happy because we have win a game, which seemed are impossible under Ten Hag.
Most of us know there is a lot of work to do yet.
So get a grip.

 

[Redfrog]

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

Better to have 3 good shots then 10 bad ones which have no chance going in.
Leicester had one chance to score. All the other shots on target were hopeless.
Second half was just us cruising on a 2 goals lead and defending all right. But first half was very good.

 

[Matt Varnish]

Proving others at home to Leicester this season did not get a win against them as comfortable as United did. Already this season I've seen Man United totally dominate West Ham and Palace in the 1st half of matches yet ended up only getting one point out of those two games so I don't think I'd be moaning when the team are clinical and only give up one decent scoring chance to the opposition in the game.

P.S I don't be over the moon for any team I don't support beating another team I don't support

So by your logic, if Leicester beat Arsenal, we should also beat Arsenal because we beat Leicester.
Can I have some of what you are taking?

 

[Matt Varnish]

No, people are happy because we have win a game, which seemed are impossible under Ten Hag.
Most of us know there is a lot of work to do yet.
So get a grip.

Beating Leicester under any manager should be seen as "impossible"
It's this kind of attitude I'm having a go at when I say standards have dropped, fans expectations certainly have.
It's you that needs to get a grip.

 

[Moiraine]

Comfortable win, which is unusual this season. However, i'm not entirely happy.
Positives:
-Win, clean sheet
-some decent individual performances
-overall dominance throughout the whole game.

Negatives:
-Rashford is still absolutely useless
-poor performance from de Ligt and Dalot
-only one goal from an attacker
-still zero connection between the wingers and Hojlund
-Zirkzee.

How was Deligt poor ?

 

[Redfrog]

Beating Leicester under any manager should be seen as "impossible"
It's this kind of attitude I'm having a go at when I say standards have dropped, fans expectations certainly have.
It's you that needs to get a grip.

Well, it’s like you haven’t watched the start of the season. The moral was very low. Rudd upped it.
If you think we will win the league right away, you are deluded.
And if you can’t celebrate a win after a miserable start of the season you are just a sad guy.

 

[Gordon S]

You know you had some rough times when a comfortable win in the league has people fuming

 

[Matt Varnish]

Well, it’s like you haven’t watched the start of the season. The moral was very low. Rudd upped it.
If you think we will win the league right away, you are deluded.
And if you can’t celebrate a win after a miserable start of the season you are just a sad guy.

Another one twisting words to suit their narrative, and one who doesn't comprehend a post.
So I'll put it in plain English for you.
I expected us to beat Leicester, but then I expect us to beat every team we play. (It's called optimism)
Beating Leicester 3-0 is no more a reason to celebrate than beating Barnsley.

In the same way, if we beat Ipswich next time out, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Although they beat Spurs, and Spurs beat us, so by the logic of some on here, they (Ipswich) should beat us
However if this resurgence continues past the "new manager bounce" and we beat high flyers Arsenal, Notts Forest and Man City, then I will be impressed with this bunch of misfits and underperfoming egotistical wage thieves

 

[RedfromIreland]

Another one twisting words to suit their narrative, and one who doesn't comprehend a post.
So I'll put it in plain English for you.
I expected us to beat Leicester, but then I expect us to beat every team we play. (It's called optimism)
Beating Leicester 3-0 is no more a reason to celebrate than beating Barnsley.

In the same way, if we beat Ipswich next time out, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Although they beat Spurs, and Spurs beat us, so by the logic of some on here, they (Ipswich) should beat us
However if this resurgence continues past the "new manager bounce" and we beat high flyers Arsenal, Notts Forest and Man City, then I will be impressed with this bunch of misfits and underperfoming egotistical wage thieves

By that logic, if we somehow beat a (Leicester) 3:0 to win a trophy, you’ll be sitting in the house watching Emerdale because we were expected to beat them and you won’t feel any emotion.
Have a nice day.

 

[Maticmaker]

RVN has 'steadied the ship', he has tightened up in midfield, brought the best out of Casemiro, given Ugarte the role he is good in and given Amad a proper chance to show what he can do.
It's true RVN has not been able to make much improvement in Rasmus, but suspect Rasmus will never be another RVN... different skill set, and we still don't have game plan/method that suits an out and out CF.
Would like to see a 'two upfront' (Rasmus and Zirkzee ??) option tried, with an out and out winger hitting the bye line and putting in crosses (like Beckham, preferably) for them to feed off. As an alternative to the constant inverted wingers approach, that every coach in the country now knows we rely on!
Good win but, still don't think its any kind of milestone, even a poor Leicester at times had us chasing shadows.

 

[cyril C]

Ruud playing two midfielders who were to basically stay together as defensive midfielders made us a much more solid team than under Ten Hag.

Also players not being all over the place and having more control made them less frustrated and we gave away a lot less stupid fouls and stupid yellow cards.

Eriksen as MF, got away in 1st season, but clearly was the weakest link in 2nd season. ETH was so insistence on Eriksen and made him the most played players so far, and paid the price.

Our weakest link is now Dalot, almost cost us an equaliser. Rashford was AWOL as usual, if not getting worse.

 

[Matt Varnish]

By that logic, if we somehow beat a (Leicester) 3:0 to win a trophy, you’ll be sitting in the house watching Emerdale because we were expected to beat them and you won’t feel any emotion.
Have a nice day.

Now you are moving the goalposts and making assumptions.
Winning a trophy ( s final) is totally different to winning a league game against opponents you are expected to beat.

 

[Ish]

Are people really moaning after a solid win yesterday?

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Great win and clean sheet. Can’t complain.

 

[Redfrog]

Another one twisting words to suit their narrative, and one who doesn't comprehend a post.
So I'll put it in plain English for you.
I expected us to beat Leicester, but then I expect us to beat every team we play. (It's called optimism)
Beating Leicester 3-0 is no more a reason to celebrate than beating Barnsley.

In the same way, if we beat Ipswich next time out, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Although they beat Spurs, and Spurs beat us, so by the logic of some on here, they (Ipswich) should beat us
However if this resurgence continues past the "new manager bounce" and we beat high flyers Arsenal, Notts Forest and Man City, then I will be impressed with this bunch of misfits and underperfoming egotistical wage thieves

You are twisting words not me. It’s not because a result is expected that you cannot be happy about it and you should moan because we didn’t played like prime Fergie team on a good day.
When you are starting from where we did this season, it’s alright to be happy about a win.
Things and performances won’t improve over night. This team needs confidence and you can only get it by winning games .
I leave you to your anger.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Zirkzee was not a negative. That was his best cameo in months.

Agree.

 

[Turnip]

RVN has 'steadied the ship', he has tightened up in midfield, brought the best out of Casemiro, given Ugarte the role he is good in and given Amad a proper chance to show what he can do.

Its kind of crazy how such basic things like giving a player their best position/role have made such a noticeable difference in some areas. We could all see for so long that teams walked through our midfield like it wasn't there, and buying Ugarte was a clear sign he was going to fix that, but no we carried on with the same system that had never worked. I often felt like ETH was always trying to do some genius avant-garde tactics that rarely paid off, but if he just kept it basic when we were struggling it could have made such a difference.

 

[Matt Varnish]

You are twisting words not me. It’s not because a result is expected that you cannot be happy about it and you should moan because we didn’t played like prime Fergie team on a good day.
When you are starting from where we did this season, it’s alright to be happy about a win.
Things and performances won’t improve over night. This team needs confidence and you can only get it by winning games .
I leave you to your anger.

It's you that sounds angry, angry because people are pointing out the obvious, yes a win is a win, but a win against a very poor Leicester side should not be heralded as a new dawn, we've been there before with this team.
Good day to you, enjoy your champagne, I hop eit doesn't go flat very quickly in December.

 

[tenpoless]

Call me crazy but I think even if Ruud stays we still have a chance to make top 4. Of course I'd rather Amorim, no comparison. But Ruud has done so many sensible things that the results are also sensible. Sometimes that's all you need. He also has an aura about him. You can tell the players respect him. Similar to Zidane when he first started. He might not be the best tactician but he's much better than Ten Hag (the broken version).

 

[r0663664]

Seriously if Amorim can get this team defensive strong and score enough goals, we can make a run at top 4. There is just 5 points between 4-14 position. I hope he can get the best out of the players. Maybe Rashford will hit an another purple patch with a new manager.

 

[justsomebloke]

We managed only 3 shots on target at home against one of the worst teams in the league, how is that not hopeless?

We won 3-0 and they never threatened? How many times did that happen over the past 2 seasons? It was as it should be - neither more or less. But that's a good deal more than we've been used to.

 

[justsomebloke]

Seriously if Amorim can get this team defensive strong and score enough goals, we can make a run at top 4. There is just 5 points between 4-14 position. I hope he can get the best out of the players. Maybe Rashford will hit an another purple patch with a new manager.

More to the point, there's 4 points between third and thirteenth. Which is, absurdly, less than what separates 2nd and 3rd. At this point last season, there were just two teams within 4 points of 4th place.

And yeah, this season is not a write-off. It's an 11-team race for the last two top four spots.

We're 13th though. A lot of teams to pass, and some of them will do well.

 

[always_hoping]

So by your logic, if Leicester beat Arsenal, we should also beat Arsenal because we beat Leicester.
Can I have some of what you are taking?

A dose of common sense is what I'm taking.

Wouldn't be alone when I say I'd be less happy about the home win v Leicester if United conceded twice against them and needed added time to win.

Main point was a win a got with minimal fuss, arguably match won by half time which has been rare for this United team in any Premier league match the last few seasons.

Bruno among the goals again a positive with his former manager coming in. Restricted Leicester one shot in total 2nd half another positive and the great team move and excellent finish by Garnacho the icing on the cake in a comfortable win.

 

[RedRocket9908]

When was the last time 4 of our players made team of the week?