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Manchester United 3:0 Leicester City

Post-match discussion


Sun, 19 February 2023

The improvement in the second half was really something else. It's nice to have a manager that can go in at the break and actually get a drastic response from the players.

Rashford...what more can you say about the lad at this point? Go on and get 40 this season, son!
 
Incredible really. the transformation in this team. Half of RedCafe wanted rid of Rashford, Sancho, Dalot, Bruno at the start of the season - just go over old posts. And yet, they are contributing so much. Just goes to show that knee jerk reactions have no place in this forum.
 
David's saves is what kept us in the game. Had we conceded a couple before HT, I doubrt we would have pulled of a comeback. Bring Barca on!
 
The half time switch was crucial to our second half performance, not only did it give Sabitzer more space in midfield, it allowed Bruno to drop in and out of midfield to influence play.

Entire team looked more balanced after that, Leicester looked off it and the goals quickly followed.
Brilliant from Ten Hag and everyone in the second half, Mainoo looked good as well.

Congratulations to De Gea on his milestone
 
Sancho should play as the 10 going forward.
He won’t press like wout but give him some freedom and he makes things happen.
I feel for wout as you can see he gives everything but we are a much better team with sancho dictating things in forward positions
 
Key Takeaways for me:

1) Rashford will end up being our no.9. I don't think we will sign a starting striker, maybe a backup. He works well in the 4141. Bruno and Sancho benefit from his runs.

2) Sabitzer and Fred together are terrible. We survived the three games in spite of it. Sabitzer is not as good at DM as I thought he could be, Fred's positioning is terrible. Mctominay coming on brought more structure just from being slightly more defensive.

3) We've unlocked Sancho. Opening up his game to a more of a free role where he can float is really opening up his game. His passing accuracy in dangerous areas and his use of space is great through the middle. It could make us even better on the counter. His style right now has a touch of Odegaard about it. I'm excited about this because I can see him joining Rashford and Bruno into the world class realm, potentially being better than both if we can get him to consistency.

4) Maguire needs to be sold. As bad as Fred and Sabitzer were, what today exposed is that moving the ball through the back doesn't have to be a laborious as it was against Leeds last week. Fred and Sabitzer may have exposed our backline to threats, but it was Maguire who made our game when we had the ball tepid and indecisive.

Thought Sabitzer was more of an 8 so wrong expectation? I don't remember seeing him play as a #6 from what I have watched of him. He is more Lampard than Carrick(whom himself is not a #6). Rest all I could have said it better myself.
 
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It doesn't necessarily a win either, you should all know by now that ETH doesn't do weakened teams
Most of the key players only played 65 mins, or weren’t in need of a rest, however he probably could have taken off Bruno instead of Sabitzer.

I don’t really see anyone in that starting 11 who’s in danger of burning out apart from Bruno.
I don't think EtH appreciates how demanding the EPL is yet. In February we've played twice as many games as Newcastle. There's also the mental side of things to consider.

https://thefishy.co.uk/team-results.php?team=Newcastle&season=20

https://thefishy.co.uk/team-results.php?team=Man+Utd&season=20
 
Key Takeaways for me:

1) Rashford will end up being our no.9. I don't think we will sign a starting striker, maybe a backup. He works well in the 4141. Bruno and Sancho benefit from his runs.

2) Sabitzer and Fred together are terrible. We survived the three games in spite of it. Sabitzer is not as good at DM as I thought he could be, Fred's positioning is terrible. Mctominay coming on brought more structure just from being slightly more defensive.

3) We've unlocked Sancho. Opening up his game to a more of a free role where he can float is really opening up his game. His passing accuracy in dangerous areas and his use of space is great through the middle. It could make us even better on the counter. His style right now has a touch of Odegaard about it. I'm excited about this because I can see him joining Rashford and Bruno into the world class realm, potentially being better than both if we can get him to consistency.

4) Maguire needs to be sold. As bad as Fred and Sabitzer were, what today exposed is that moving the ball through the back doesn't have to be a laborious as it was against Leeds last week. Fred and Sabitzer may have exposed our backline to threats, but it was Maguire who made our game when we had the ball tepid and indecisive.

Think you're 100% spot on for Numbers 2 & 4, and hopeful you're right on number 3.

Don't think Number 1 happens, as he is still much better coming in off the left. Has he actually played a full game as Number 9 yet? Even today he switched.
 
David's saves is what kept us in the game. Had we conceded a couple before HT, I doubrt we would have pulled of a comeback. Bring Barca on!

Absolute truth. Just a few days ago the De Gea performance thread was littered with ridiculous posts, but the reality is that De Gea was outstanding last season and has been outstanding this season.

Rashford is easily today’s MOTM but De Gea is next in line in today’s performers.
 
Key Takeaways for me:

1) Rashford will end up being our no.9. I don't think we will sign a starting striker, maybe a backup. He works well in the 4141. Bruno and Sancho benefit from his runs.

2) Sabitzer and Fred together are terrible. We survived the three games in spite of it. Sabitzer is not as good at DM as I thought he could be, Fred's positioning is terrible. Mctominay coming on brought more structure just from being slightly more defensive.

3) We've unlocked Sancho. Opening up his game to a more of a free role where he can float is really opening up his game. His passing accuracy in dangerous areas and his use of space is great through the middle. It could make us even better on the counter. His style right now has a touch of Odegaard about it. I'm excited about this because I can see him joining Rashford and Bruno into the world class realm, potentially being better than both if we can get him to consistency.

4) Maguire needs to be sold. As bad as Fred and Sabitzer were, what today exposed is that moving the ball through the back doesn't have to be a laborious as it was against Leeds last week. Fred and Sabitzer may have exposed our backline to threats, but it was Maguire who made our game when we had the ball tepid and indecisive.

2) Ignores the fact that we kicked Leicester’s arse for the first 15 minutes of the second half, without conceding a single chance. Before McT was subbed on. If any one sub changed the pattern of that match it was taking off Garnacho and replacing him with Sancho. McT was brought on to give Fred a rest and lock down a game we’d already won.
 
I don't think EtH appreciates how demanding the EPL is yet. In February we've played twice as many games as Newcastle. There's also the mental side of things to consider.

https://thefishy.co.uk/team-results.php?team=Newcastle&season=20

https://thefishy.co.uk/team-results.php?team=Man+Utd&season=20

And? That’s probably pretty standard when analysing a top team vs one not in Europe at this stage of the season. Would imagine Newcastle have started the same 11 a lot compared to us.

I’m not sure what you mean by the mental side? You think is was bad mentally for us to close the gap on City this weekend? You think Rashford feels better or worse mentally after scoring a brace. Bruno after his assists? I bet they feel fantastic.
 
Good to see Lindelof get stuck in a few times, seems to be working on the physicality of defending, must be learning from Martinez. Some defensive lapses overall giving Leicester some good chances, 2 excellent DeGea saves, Sabitzer a nice bulwark, Rashy and Sancho with well taken goals, and good rotation plus learning minutes for Mainoo.

Fun game to watch.
 
Ahhhh, that second half. DDG kept us alive then ETH's changes did it.

So happy for Sancho and it's great to see Lindelof show ETH he is a good option when needed.

Feel for Wout, he does the dirty work, feels like the stadium wold have exploded if he took his chance.

Nitpicking... Sancho and Garnacho need to put more effort in tracking back and at least follow a runner when needed.
 
No Varane, no Casemiro, no Eriksen and no Martial…yet we comfortably dispatched a resurgent Leicester City.

That said, we under the boot for about 20-25 minutes. All things considered, brilliant.
 
You said "sacrifice", not "rotate a lot".
I actually do wonder if I'd have gotten the same pushback if I didn't use that word.
And still you doubt ETH, that's an argument that has no credibility anymore
He's a newbie and still getting to grips with the totality of English football. I don't think such a statement lacks credibility.
And? That’s probably pretty standard when analysing a top team vs one not in Europe at this stage of the season. Would imagine Newcastle have started the same 11 a lot compared to us.

I’m not sure what you mean by the mental side? You think is was bad mentally for us to close the gap on City this weekend? You think Rashford feels better or worse mentally after scoring a brace. Bruno after his assists? I bet they feel fantastic.
They've still played less games and you're just speculating on their rotation policy. We've dealt with a genuine fixture pile up recently.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...n=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...n=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

I got greedy with that "mental side" point. I was just trying to pad my point on the demands of English football.
 
In the past Stuart Attwell has received lots of criticism on these pages. In fairness I think he did well today and I don’t mean because of treatment of Sabitzer!
That non-card on Sabitzer is going to give MotD and Sky pundits material for weeks on end. Great stuff :drool:
 
They've still played less games and you're just speculating on their rotation policy. We've dealt with a genuine fixture pile up recently.

Both squads have seven players with 29 or over appearances. As previous, Bruno is the biggest problem with 36, and even bigger is that he has started 35 of them. The next biggest is Rashford with 29 starts. And when you consider Rashford has come off early in quite a few games, it’s probably not as bad as we think.

Also, just throwing it out there, Bruno has missed three games through injury in his entire career.
 
Bet they'll do a post match review and Sabitzer gets a red card.

Totally expected a loss, thought we'd be knackered and Leicester are flying high ATM. So happy with this result. To be fair, did think Leicester did not get a lot of calls they deserved.

Thursday subs write themselves. Casemeiro in for Fred, Varane returns for Lindelof. Dalot in for Wan Bissaka just to give them a different look and more attacking style for the return leg. Pedri/Gavi combo is a big loss for them IMO.

------------------------DDG--------------------------
Dalot------Varane----Martinez-----Shaw
-----------Sabitzer----Casemeiro------------
---Sancho------Bruno-----Rashford-------
------------------Weghourst----------------------
 
Great start to the week, we struggled in midfield first half but De Gea bailed us out and I'm glad that is the last game without Casemiro but the second half was champagne football and looked like scoring at will.

2 more big games to go!
 
Both squads have seven players with 29 or over appearances. As previous, Bruno is the biggest problem with 36, and even bigger is that he has started 35 of them. The next biggest is Rashford with 29 starts. And when you consider Rashford has come off early in quite a few games, it’s probably not as bad as we think.

Also, just throwing it out there, Bruno has missed three games through injury in his entire career.
Alright, I'm mollified somewhat.
 
Great 2nd-half performance but Martinez in particular looked a little exposed first half with the balance of our midfield not looking right.

CM still has to be an area of priority. Its the most important area of the pitch and we need to make sure we have 3/4 good options in there. We could easily have been a goal or two down and throwing away cheap points, like with the Leeds game
 
Alright, I'm mollified somewhat.

I think Ten Hag has been forced to rotate more than it appears. If we’re talking next week and he’s put out a full team against west ham in the cup, I’m completely with you :lol:
 
Second half may have been our most enjoyable, impressive half this season.

Created chances at will, complete control and never looked like conceding and all without Casemiro.
 
Absolute truth. Just a few days ago the De Gea performance thread was littered with ridiculous posts, but the reality is that De Gea was outstanding last season and has been outstanding this season.

Rashford is easily today’s MOTM but De Gea is next in line in today’s performers.
I'll never understand the DDG hate honestly.
 
That 2nd half was so enjoyable! Joy to watch.

Look at that team on paper/based off past performances and yet, we play like that... Ten Hag :drool:
Yeah, only 3 new players were Werghorst, Sabitzer and Martinez from last year.
The only one you can say is an improvement is Martinez.
 
I'll never understand the DDG hate honestly.
It's a bunch of short-sighted and deluded fools who make the dumb assumption that we can find a 'ball-playing' (whatever that means) keeper who is amazing at passing and just as good at making impossible saves as Dave AND having the mentality to adopt to our huge club.

The only comparable keeper in the PL is Allison who is arguably the best in the world and he cost the scousers nearly 70m. And even he has howlers with his feet and normal goal-keeping mistakes.

Some people just cannot see the forest for the trees.
 
Both squads have seven players with 29 or over appearances. As previous, Bruno is the biggest problem with 36, and even bigger is that he has started 35 of them. The next biggest is Rashford with 29 starts. And when you consider Rashford has come off early in quite a few games, it’s probably not as bad as we think.

Also, just throwing it out there, Bruno has missed three games through injury in his entire career.
They are professional footballers surrounded with a lot of recovery specialists and they are probably begging to play every game. As long as they feel fine and are not risking an injury they will be fine.
Bruno is a machine anyway. Never injured, always playing 90 minutes and running like a madman all game. How many games did he miss since he signed ? Very little I guess.
 
First time I am unable to find a game highlight (not region locked) in like 5 mins of looking, what the hell is going on. Copyright ninjas are not messing around.
 
I'll never understand the DDG hate honestly.
He is not Messi with his feet. He doesn’t dribble every player to score a worldie. Just throw him like garbage and buy a new toy.

A lot of people will have a weakening when they see that the new goalie is not as good finally and that De Gea was not that bad.

I thought that the Henderson experience would have learn to few people that it’s not that easy to find a top class goalie.
 

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Score Predictions

152,11,16
  • Man Utd win
  • Leicester win
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Detailed Results

  • 33% Man Utd 2:0 Leicester
  • 25% Man Utd 2:1 Leicester
  • 11% Man Utd 3:1 Leicester
  • 6% Man Utd 3:0 Leicester
  • 6% Man Utd 1:1 Leicester
  • 4% Man Utd 1:2 Leicester
  • 3% Man Utd 2:2 Leicester
  • 3% Man Utd 1:0 Leicester
  • 2% Man Utd 3:2 Leicester
  • 2% Man Utd 5:0 Leicester
  • 2% Man Utd 4:1 Leicester
  • 1% Man Utd 0:2 Leicester
  • 1% Man Utd 0:5 Leicester
  • 1% Man Utd 5:2 Leicester
  • 1% Man Utd 4:2 Leicester
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Match Stats

  1. Man Utd
  2. Leicester
Possession
57% 43%
Shots
26 19
Shots on Target
8 3
Corners
6 6
Fouls
9 9

Referee

Stuart Attwell