With the inevitable potential for Rashy to outscore all of them on his loan.
FA L FA Cup 5th Round
Manchester United 1:1 Fulham
Post-match discussion
Sun, 02 March 2025
If you look at our league stats since 3rd March 2024 under ETH then you'll get the following:
Garnacho:
Goals: 4
Assists: 2
Mins: 1557
Min per G+A: 259.5
Hojlund:
Goals: 1
Assists: 0
Mins: 992
Min per G+A: 992
Both were crap under ETH too. It's not just this system. They were crap under ETH too. Garnacho just can't finish, he gets chances as you can see by the amount of shots on target he's had this year. He just cannot convert.
Another day, another Doug...
How would the impatience of some posters on the caf lead to united’s failure?
LVG I don’t think I ever thought we weren’t in the fight, they’d be a lot of 1-0, 2-1, loads of draws, but we were boring yet solid. Right now we’re boring and just plain crap.
Would be handy on penos, not that we would get there.
Mods are being fickle tonight, every thread regarding the manager gets the padlock treatment.
Worst set of away fans I've encountered. Shite.
That's the frustrating part. He seldom passes and always chooses to shoot. Yet, he's happy to pass the buck to a defender when it really matters.
And here is my point...
I don't care how "good" these players are in a system that "fits" them. Becuase it's still not good enough for a team of MUs stature. So I want them gone either way. As I mentioned, if we do change to system that fits, it will only yield momentary results that does feck all for this clubs future.
Misguided blaming. Nothing more the ownership would love is for the manager to get the blame.
Will any negative mention of Amorim in this thread be censored?
Are we RAWK?
Impressed by De Ligt's cross field passes. Onana performed reasonably well apart from fumbling one routine catch, apparently because Maguire ran in front of him. Heaven was better than I expected. Obi looked incredibly raw but offered a threat.
Underwhelmed by Ugarte's performance. Lindelof looked terrible when he came on.
Zirkzee has technical ability but got dispossessed 10 times according to Whoscored. His team-mates seem to be surprised by just how slow he is. Passes that most PL would reach easily, he gets nowhere near.
I'm optimistic that most of our problems will resolve themselves in time.
Underwhelmed by Ugarte's performance. Lindelof looked terrible when he came on.
Zirkzee has technical ability but got dispossessed 10 times according to Whoscored. His team-mates seem to be surprised by just how slow he is. Passes that most PL would reach easily, he gets nowhere near.
I'm optimistic that most of our problems will resolve themselves in time.
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Why that specific date? What was their output over the whole season?
I agree that Garnacho isn't really a finisher, however, Rasmus last season showed he was decent if not anything special. None of the forward line are really getting that many chances apart from maybe Garnacho who fashions some chances for himself. The whole team doesn't really create consistent chances. Which was an issue on EtH but not to this extent. The tactics clearly reduce what little attacking capability that we have.
I mean, we have no idea of this is the case, why make things up to suit an agenda?
This place has become its own version of RAWK, there's no reasoned debate anymore because everyone prefers getting Internet points.Locking off the Amorim thread
Pathetic and rawkworthy
This. So many posters on here criticising the choice of Lindelof and Zirkzee to take penalties, but ignoring their previous successes.
The amount of times we gave the ball away today ( and most days for that matter) is shocking. Flicks, long balls to no one , 5 yard passes, it’s like a hot potato.
Just a year worth of fixtures. Rasmus had a small purple streak of form last season and that was it. He's simply not remotely consistent and our lack of options means we can't rotate players out of form or let players recover fitness. ETH made a real hash of rebuilding our attack, the ones we've brought in have been crap. Garnacho who has shown slivers of form has wasted an awful lot of chances this season.
Amorim may not be the answer but the club was incredibly naive and imo clearly gave up on this season by not providing a forward in January. Going into the second half of the season with the League, FA Cup and Europa to play for with four recognised forwards was utter incompetence. Even more so given three of those four were struggling for form. The levels of rebuild required at United is genuinely scary if we're struggling for money.
- Garnacho has his moments but has no end product.
- Maguire, de Ligt, and Onana were decent
- Ugarte adds nothing to the attack
We set out there primarily to nullify Fulham and did that pretty well. Unlucky to lose on penalties.
Seems our goal these days is to just make it hard for the opposition, even if they are a pretty mediocre out of form mid table side. We play with 7 defensively minded players (including goalkeeper), there is no way to create anything substantial with 4 remaining players but we are apparently content to just hoof it.
Seems our goal these days is to just make it hard for the opposition, even if they are a pretty mediocre out of form mid table side. We play with 7 defensively minded players (including goalkeeper), there is no way to create anything substantial with 4 remaining players but we are apparently content to just hoof it.
What's the definition of crazy again...? Didn't learn anything different today than we have the last umpteen games. Rinse and repeat blah blah blah. Adapt or perish.
Identical to the Leicester game in the earlier round really. Only started attacking when Garnacho gave us an option out wide.
Identical to the Leicester game in the earlier round really. Only started attacking when Garnacho gave us an option out wide.
So they were scoring away under EtH? Or in Hojlunds case, before he even signed for us? No.
Take out the one purple patch in the league and he's been terrible.
We need a new frontline that can attack when we get the ball back and a wing back.
The back 3 isn't the problem here.
Can't do shit until the summer
Was anyone even remotely confident we would progress today? I know Amorims options are limited but he literally does the same every single game, same players, same system, same results. I would say we are the easiest team to play against in the league, we won't get relegated this season but next season it could be a distinct possibility unless changes are made.
Anyone want to get even more depressed? Here's how.
27 rounds in, we have 9 wins. 6 of those 9 wins were against the bottom 5 teams in the league. We have won 3 - three - games against the current top 15 teams in the league. In 19 games. Or less than one win in six.
9 of our remaining 11 games are against top 15 teams. If both we and the opponent perform at average levels for the season, we can reasonably expect 1 or, if we're lucky, 2 wins from those 9 games. And that's the rough baseline. Ie, what to expect if everything goes as normal. It wouldn't take a lot for it to go worse. We could not win a single one of those games, and that really would not be much of an unlikelihood.
27 rounds in, we have 9 wins. 6 of those 9 wins were against the bottom 5 teams in the league. We have won 3 - three - games against the current top 15 teams in the league. In 19 games. Or less than one win in six.
9 of our remaining 11 games are against top 15 teams. If both we and the opponent perform at average levels for the season, we can reasonably expect 1 or, if we're lucky, 2 wins from those 9 games. And that's the rough baseline. Ie, what to expect if everything goes as normal. It wouldn't take a lot for it to go worse. We could not win a single one of those games, and that really would not be much of an unlikelihood.
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I wish I was as optimistic as you about our summer signings. Realistically how many decent signings are you expecting us to obtain given our seemingly dire financial situation and the likelihood of no European football to attract the better quality players. I highly doubt we're offering mega wages or a high transfer sum, they would have to be 2 or 3 very shrewd signings indeed.
At times it's more of a back 5 than a back 3 too. Way too defensive, will take 2 world class wing backs who can pose as much as an attacking threat as they do a defensive job.
Utterly disgraceful. Manager won’t see the end of the season if that’s how it’s going to be. There’s is zero improvement anywhere. His refusal to change his style could be his downfall. Absolutely shite
We’ve looked disjointed for about 3 years now - players have no patterns of play that they can regularly fulfill. Misplaced 5 yard passes, long hopeful punts, the whole team plays far too deep. This isn’t a new thing, but it needs to be fixed somehow.
We need to play a higher line, which will require at least 2 new CBs as De Ligt and Maguire are too slow. We need 2 powerful midfielders who can drive play forward, Ugarte isn’t that guy, neither is Mainoo. We need a target man striker to allow the 10s to run past. It’s a complete mess from back to front.
None of what I’m saying is new, but every transfer we make sets us back because they are the wrong players.
Edit - to everyone saying the back 3 aren’t the problem, they absolutely are. We must play a higher line and we need faster CBs to do that. Only Yoro is a bit quick.
We need to play a higher line, which will require at least 2 new CBs as De Ligt and Maguire are too slow. We need 2 powerful midfielders who can drive play forward, Ugarte isn’t that guy, neither is Mainoo. We need a target man striker to allow the 10s to run past. It’s a complete mess from back to front.
None of what I’m saying is new, but every transfer we make sets us back because they are the wrong players.
Edit - to everyone saying the back 3 aren’t the problem, they absolutely are. We must play a higher line and we need faster CBs to do that. Only Yoro is a bit quick.
I hate calvin bassey
Agree on the defence. But Onana is too sporadic.
Garnacho still adds something. End product will come, Salah didn’t develop the end product until he was 24.
Ugarte is very underrated. Great defensively and much better linking midfield to attack than people realise.
I'm convinced that we have the worst squad in the league with the exception of the current bottom 3.
There is no 1 reason for the club progressively getting worse year on year.
It is a bit of everything, today’s match was not drastically different from any other match in the past year.
The blame for the situation should be spread equally between the players, coach, board and owners.
So with so much going wrong, it’s easier to just focus on the small list of things that were pleasing from the match.
List (1/1)
De Ligt played well.
It is a bit of everything, today’s match was not drastically different from any other match in the past year.
The blame for the situation should be spread equally between the players, coach, board and owners.
So with so much going wrong, it’s easier to just focus on the small list of things that were pleasing from the match.
List (1/1)
De Ligt played well.
It is what it is.
De Ligt MOTM, nice to see Heaven and Obi getting a run out, both young and raw so let's give time. Pretty damning that Obi offered more than Hojlund (it's just not happening for him). Yoro did well. A Man Utd with no injuries probably gets a win over the line. Solid unspectacular 40 mins, low quality from both teams, lack at times, poor goal conceded, then 2nd half felt like we were content with a 0-1 loss, Bruno drags us back into it. There is fight and effort in this team, but not enough quality over the 120 mins.
De Ligt MOTM, nice to see Heaven and Obi getting a run out, both young and raw so let's give time. Pretty damning that Obi offered more than Hojlund (it's just not happening for him). Yoro did well. A Man Utd with no injuries probably gets a win over the line. Solid unspectacular 40 mins, low quality from both teams, lack at times, poor goal conceded, then 2nd half felt like we were content with a 0-1 loss, Bruno drags us back into it. There is fight and effort in this team, but not enough quality over the 120 mins.
Had to pop out at extra time, but don't think I missed much.
My issue is, how will signing 5 or 6 players improve us at defending set pieces?
We've regressed at set piece defending among other things under Amorim.
My issue is, how will signing 5 or 6 players improve us at defending set pieces?
We've regressed at set piece defending among other things under Amorim.
It would require extreme good luck for us to win europa, I can't see it happening without a miraculous improvement in form. We can barely score a goal against bottom half Premier League clubs.
Has a reporter asked what are the roles for Bruno and Ugarte? Lately, I'm pretty sure Bruno is the CDM and Ugarte is RM.
Does Amorim not trust Ugarte as CDM? Does he really think Ugarte's future is as an attacking midfielder?
This was how started today:
....................Hojlund
.......Eriksen...Zirkzee....Ugarte
....................Bruno
Dalot...Yoro...Maguire...Deligt...Maz
Does Amorim not trust Ugarte as CDM? Does he really think Ugarte's future is as an attacking midfielder?
This was how started today:
....................Hojlund
.......Eriksen...Zirkzee....Ugarte
....................Bruno
Dalot...Yoro...Maguire...Deligt...Maz
Man of the Match
Provisional results
Runners-up
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33%
Matthijs de Ligt
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4%
Andre Onana
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3%
Joshua Zirkzee
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2%
Chido Obi
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1%
Harry Maguire
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1%
Diogo Dalot
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1%
Ayden Heaven
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1%
Leny Yoro
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1%
Alejandro Garnacho
Player Ratings
Provisional results
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 173 ratings.
Score Predictions
85,38,9
- Man Utd win
- Fulham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 40% Man Utd 2:1 Fulham
- 11% Man Utd 1:2 Fulham
- 9% Man Utd 2:0 Fulham
- 8% Man Utd 0:2 Fulham
- 7% Man Utd 1:3 Fulham
- 6% Man Utd 3:1 Fulham
- 6% Man Utd 1:0 Fulham
- 4% Man Utd 1:1 Fulham
- 2% Man Utd 3:2 Fulham
- 2% Man Utd 0:3 Fulham
- 2% Man Utd 2:2 Fulham
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Fulham
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Fulham
- 1% Man Utd 2:3 Fulham
- 1% Man Utd 3:0 Fulham
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Ayden Heaven
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replaced by Victor Lindelof
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replaced by Casemiro
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replaced by Alejandro Garnacho
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replaced by Chido Obi
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