[Giant Midget]

I thought he stunk tonight.

 

[snk123]

Bad game but expected - i'm sure we will improve.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Its like a Kindergarten, a bet most of these plastics have never been to OT or understand our culture.

It's been like this more ages. I think there are ones who need to go, but they needed to go in the summer and that hasn't changed. Others need minutes to get up to speed. Rojo and Memphis are the main ones and Ashley Young, who has outlasted his usefulness. We were trying to shift Rojo, who it seems will need to be removed kicking and screaming. There seems to be a number of takers for Darmian who I think is decent, but we need an attacking fullback. Memphis is the one who has really disappointed me.

 

[antsmithmk]

Wtf

I know.

This place has become a cesspit. Every fecking thread turns to who is useless and who should we sell. It's a TEAM game. You would think that seeing Leicester win the league might convince most it's about having a plan and playing as a team. Swapping one player for another won't help if the plan is still no good.

 

[acnumber9]

We'll continue to struggle if we insist on playing a midfield who can't pass the ball.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Why will it take them time when Guardiola needed no time? I've asked this question a couple of times already and I just want an answer that makes sense; from anyone.
....
I fully support Mourinho and wanted him here. I think he'll win trophies with us.
But what are the reasons he needs time to "settle" and the players need time to get used to him and his ways, when Guardiola and City didn't need that?

1. Pep has inherited the best squad in the league by far and strengthened it further.

2. City already played possession based pass and move football before Pep arrived. All he has added to them is better fitness, better off the ball work in terms of pressing and better tactics than Pellegrini. Mourinho in comparison has not only had to add a new spine to the team, he is also teaching them to switch to direct, quick passing, pressing, playing in transitions football, that allows more instinctive play, a far cry from the controlling possession approach grilled into them by LVG for 2 years.

3. Baring Porto and his first Chelsea stint. All Mourinho"s teams have been best in their second season. It has always taken a season for them to truly reflect a peak play Mourinho team. I see no harm in similar patience at United.

 

[antsmithmk]

I thought he stunk tonight.

I tried to delete it lol. Smalling not smelling damn autocorrect!! :-)

 

[Stretford End Phil]

The hate on the ref is partly justified, but you honestly dont know what it is to be a non significant club. Dutch team are pretty much ALWAYS at a disadvantage with the red. Psv against atletico is just one example. Give us your budget and you can have the favourable offside call.

We got lucky tonight, but United should batter Feyenoord 0-5 and they should be ashamed.

Its easy for a home team to park a bus and kick holes out of an opponent if the officials are crap and won't make decisions. Enjoy the win, but remember other small clubs have beaten us and played far better than your shower.

 

[Infra-red]

We'll continue to struggle if we insist on playing a midfield who can't pass the ball.

We only have two midfielders who can pass the ball and they're both ready for the Travellers yard.

 

[Ramshock]

Result's good for banter, but why oh why did I waste my time watching it? Switched off after the first half, that's still 45 minutes wasted.

I meant YAWN by the Feyenoord support after the game but yes that too.

 

[TwoSheds]

Probably only Ibrahimovic really.

Say what you like about Memphis but he cared. Herrera, Rashford and Bailly too.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

1. Pep has inherited the best squad in the league by far and strengthened it further.

2. City already played possession based pass and move football before Pep arrived. All he has added to them is better fitness, better off the ball work in terms of pressing and better tactics than Pellegrini. Mourinho in comparison has not only had to add a new spine to the team, he is also teaching them to switch to direct, quick passing, pressing, playing in transitions football, that allows more instinctive play, a far cry from the controlling possession approach grilled into them by LVG for 2 years.

3. Baring Porto and his first Chelsea stint. All Mourinho"s teams have been best in their second season. It has always taken a season for them to truly reflect a peak play Mourinho team. I see no harm in similar patience at United.

They finished fourth last season

 

[Red Viking]

Its like a Kindergarten, a bet most of these plastics have never been to OT or understand our culture.

Ah the only the locals understand the culture crap which is a load of bollox and self righteous crap. If the culture is being apologetic to constantly underperforming players then we need to get rid of that shit and the players need to be hold accountable by the fans a lot more to make sure they don´t rest on their laurels and show up half arsed thinking there wont be any consequence to putting in less than 100% effort. You can have off days but with the wages they get then less than 100% effort is totally unacceptable weather its the EL or not as most of the team helped us getting there they have zero right to feel they are better than that.. just because you wear the red devil jersey dosn´t make you entitled to anything other than what you earn on the pitch and the players need to realize this.

 

[lysglimt]

The problem today is easily summed up: Every time we put Feyenoord under pressure, they made mistake. Still we put 9 players in our own half. We have played 5 matches - and already Mourinho is pissing me off.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

They finished fourth last season

Because they under performed horrendously under Pellegrini. A reason he deserved to be replaced.

 

[Asger]

The hate on the ref is partly justified, but you honestly dont know what it is to be a non significant club. Dutch teams are pretty much ALWAYS at a disadvantage with the ref against teams like United. Psv against atletico is just one example. Give us your budget and you can have the favourable offside call.

We got lucky tonight, but United should batter Feyenoord 0-5 and they should be ashamed.

Not when about 6-8 players played their first minutes since pre-season..

 

[acnumber9]

We only have two midfielders who can pass the ball and they're both ready for the Travellers yard.

It's certainly a problem. But I'm sure Carrick could play a few minutes here and there.

 

[FreakyJim]

And there it is: the response after the City game.

Can't wait to read all the twitter excuses again. I'm sure they're all devastated and they're working hard.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

It's certainly a problem. But I'm sure Carrick could play a few minutes here and there.

He'll play against Northampton during the week.

 

[Macern]

1. Pep has inherited the best squad in the league by far and strengthened it further.

2. City already played possession based pass and move football before Pep arrived. All he has added to them is better fitness, better off the ball work in terms of pressing and better tactics than Pellegrini. Mourinho in comparison has not only had to add a new spine to the team, he is also teaching them to switch to direct, quick passing, pressing, playing in transitions football, that allows more instinctive play, a far cry from the controlling possession approach grilled into them by LVG for 2 years.

3. Baring Porto and his first Chelsea stint. All Mourinho"s teams have been best in their second season. It has always taken a season for them to truly reflect a peak play Mourinho team. I see no harm in similar patience at United.

Citys squad didn't really stand out prior to the new manager arrivals. It had (and still has) a spine of old players, with a definite lack of quality in central areas such as goal keeper, both side backs and central midfield.

They now have a squad that is around the level of the United squad in my opinion. I even think United can field the strongest XI when all players are fit because of no weaknesses in the team, compared to City who has very average side backs, an unproven goalkeeper and unreliable centre backs.

 

[redspoony]

Fair bit of knee-jerking in this thread.

It's early days - we have a squad used to playing mind numbing football for the last three seasons. Three seasons is a long time to play like that and as such it will take a while to break out of it.

Better to have these performances now than half way through the season and drop out of contention (if indeed we are in contention).

Yeah, tonight's performance was shocking but this is the first time a few of those players have played this season and I am certain Jose will have learned more from this game than he would have from a routine 2-0 win.

 

[Wayne's World]

Subs cost us the match, Young and Depay were absolute dreadful and slowed down our play. No service at all today for Rashford or Ibra

Don't think we'll be seeing Rojo or Darmain for awhile either, couldn't defend when asked and no attacking qualities from either

Bad day in the office....

 

[DomesticTadpole]

And there it is: the response after the City game.

Can't wait to read all the twitter excuses again. I'm sure they're all devastated and they're working hard.

Most of this side didn't play against City. It is the Watford game you need their response.

 

[Chorley1974]

amazing reaction even by caf standards

 

[Ban]

Maybe it's smart to leave redcafe until Watford. And if we lose maybe to leave it some more. God forbid we lose.

It was a shit day in office but far too many overreactions.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

amazing reaction even by caf standards

Even by knee jerk reactions it is on another level. Most of the ones moaning keep saying what a shit competition it is and to get knocked out as soon as possible. It was a side who had mainly played either no or very little time and a referee who seemed to be terrified of causing a riot if he gave a decision against the home side.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

We are becoming very similar to Villa in some way. The personal & players keep changing, but the football & results don't. Obviously different level, but their fans are saying the same thing.

 

[Chorley1974]

Even by knee jerk reactions it is on another level. Most of the ones moaning keep saying what a shit competition it is and to get knocked out as soon as possible. It was a side who had mainly played either no or very little time and a referee who seemed to be terrified of causing a riot if he gave a decision against the home side.

Good summary, a lot of the lads out there have had little first team action this season, and the ref seemed timid to say the least.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Seriously a second string ??

8 changes to our team vs Man City so yeh, fair to say second string IMO

 

[AlwaysRed66]

Rojo might be the worst player we have ever had, completely his fault for the goal

You need to get out more.

Anyone remember this side drawing 0-0 against Exeter City, then of the conference, at Old Trafford in the 3rd round of the FA Cup in 2005. Ferguson went ballistic after this, & many of these players didn't play again. Interestingly Ronaldo & Scholes came on as subs to try to win the game, & Gerald Pique started.

Man Utd: Howard, Phil Neville, Brown, Pique, Spector,Eagles (Ronaldo 63), Djemba-Djemba, Jones, Miller (Scholes 63),Bellion (Smith 76), Richardson.
Subs Not Used: Heinze, Ricardo.

 

[tomaldinho1]

If he 'didn't give a hoot about Europa' he wouldn't have started Bailly, DDG, Pogba, Martial and brought on Zlatan!

DDG I thought should have been rested, think he was right to play Bailly, Pogba (both new and need games) and Martial has been off form. I'm not saying he is deliberately playing a weak team and hoping to crash out early but I don't think he values the competion and has said as much.

 

[Sonny1972]

8 changes to our team vs Man City so yeh, fair to say second string IMO

You do realize United's sec string would walk right into Feyenoords first 11 ??

 

[tomaldinho1]

You do realize United's sec string would walk right into Feyenoords first 11 ??

Why would that change it being a second string? We are talking about United not Feyenoord

 

[Ban]

You do realize United's sec string would walk right into Feyenoords first 11 ??

You do realize this team played together for the 1st time. Not that it's an excuse but it's a fact.

 

[Henk de Rode]

Beyond poor. Uninspired, incompetent and utterly unaware of it. We played like Feyenoord wanted to play but couldn't because nothing would have happened. You'd have two teams waiting for the counter that never came.

And still, players who are unfit, injured every two games. Pogba is weird enough, but Martial.. have they locked him up or something? Did they make Rojo work the road to make up for lost value?
I remember when this was starting to get silly, but you lose track of the years and run out of superlatives at some point.

 

[Twisted Nerve]

Offside goal, and had to use the big players.


Memphis a standard pointless display. one more chance for him v Northampton, then ship him I think.

First he needs to learn how to kick a ball in the right direction. Every time he takes a shot, free kick, corner, whatever it is he blasts it onto the roof of the stand. And he's trying to dribble around a player and gets robbed practically every time. He is so frustrating it makes me pull my hair out. He was like this last season too, I was hoping it might have been something he worked on since but apparently not.

 

[El Zoido]

I'm not too concerned, I think for now we need not to panic and allow the team to gel. Once we build confidence the performances will come.

Regarding tonight, I just don't think we're truly up for this competition. As much as we can give it lip service, you can't fake it. Even as a fan, I want to say I'd love us to win it, but the truth is I don't really care.

 

[manunited1919]

This will be a tough game for Jose to take some lessons from. I don't think the tactics were completely wrong, but there were several players not match fit, and the constant fouling allowed by the ref also makes it tough to learn anything from here.

I was a bit concerned that Pogba seemed to want to do too much by himself. Maybe too much pressure on him.

 

[stevoc]

Given Jose's bizarre comments about himself and his players not caring about this competition it's hardly surprising we put in a performance like that. Inspirational stuff that was.

Tonight he made too many changes from the weekend, wrong formation and wrong players selected to play in it. They need to start taking this competition seriously, we are in it so we might as well go all out to win the thing.

 

[mattsville]

Disappointing and a little concerning, thought it was a very negative approach, it seemed our plan was to get everyone behind the ball as our mission statement, like we were playing away to barca in the semi finals of the CL, never mind feyenoord, but we had no goal threat at all, even on the counter, don't think we had a shot on goal. We had all our attacking players with us and when we needed a goal we shove Smalling up front and launch, that concerned me. Seeing Pogba playing so deep and not influencing play in around their box concerned me about how he is going to be utilised. Great start to the season is now undone and a we have an early match in London in 2 days with confidence low. Negative view on things and results go against you sometimes but after getting beaten by city in such a massive game, this defeat won't help confidence, particularly our approach to the game, we setup far too deep and had no goal threat, and there was no standout performance from anyone, also thought Bailly was poor in the air again.