[colombianmancunian]

Rashy’s on fire. Antony, even scoring, need to add to his game. Good result, but we made some mistakes today.

 

[DSG]

Rashy’s on fire. Antony, even scoring, need to add to his game. Good result, but we made some mistakes today.

I actually thought that was Rashford’s poorest game in awhile from a decision making perspective. He’s just too tough to handle right now with the balls into space. Is it just me, or is Antony going to snatch the trophy of Most One Footed` United Player of All Time from Valencia’s trophy cabinet? Did we just buy two wingers in successive seasons who can’t /refuse to take defenders on? 85m on each. feck me.

we did win, and the importance of Varane, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno cannot be understated.

 

[Sly1]

Get in there.

Probably a bit more difficult than it needed to be but job done.

Great win. I didn't expect Everton to bend over for us. Almost every club up their game against us. Glory glory Man Utd. On we move. Bring on the next match.

 

[Telsim]

We were the better team, but still a large dose of luck was needed to win. Penalty was harsh, I’d be pissed if that was given against us. Some of team look gassed. Play like this against a top 10 side and it’s not going to end well. Good to continue in this competition, though.

 

[Stookie]

Happy that we can win while underperforming. Felt a bit of a slog at times sprinkled with the odd good bit of play. Fatigue seems to be a factor playing so many games in a short space. Expect the whole squad to be used when Available. Could have done with resting Rashford at some point really.

 

[GaryLifo]

I swear you lot watch a different game to me sometimes, so negative

It was like this even under Ferguson. We'd win 5-1 and there'd still be posts like

"That goal we let in in the 93rd minute worries me. Defence was asleep"

The match thread on the day we beat arsenal 8-2 when the teams were announced was pure gold.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

Good win against a team that's better than many believe. They stuck to their plan and tried their best with counters.
Everton is much better when playing 3 cb's instead of 2.

 

[The Purley King]

Martial was appalling and Antony never took a risk despite the good goal.
Must get some variety into his play as he’s very predictable at the moment.
On the plus side it was a relatively comfortable night against a team we’ve struggled to beat recently

 

[Buster15]

Did DeGea have Vodka in his bottle instead of water?? i mean wtf was he thinking

I think that was the point. He wasn't thinking and wasn't concentrating as he should have been.

 

[Buster15]

Martial was appalling and Antony never took a risk despite the good goal.
Must get some variety into his play as he’s very predictable at the moment.
On the plus side it was a relatively comfortable night against a team we’ve struggled to beat recently

Quite agree. Martial was completely anonymous. And Antony has a great deal of improvement if he expects to be in the starting lineup at OT.

 

[Elcabron]

Thought Martial was good in first half and poor in second. Need more from the striker anyway.

 

[RopersReturn]

Don’t want to be critical because I thought we played extremely well against an awkward Everton side, who co-incidentally didn’t resemble a club wallowing in the bottom 3.
My only concern is Martial, he went missing again last night and just looks timid in front of goal. He missed a great opportunity in the first half, a one on one with Pickford, he just kicked the ball straight into him when rather than smash it into the cavernous open net. This is the difference between him and someone like Kane or Salah who have predatory instincts.

 

[Moston Red]

Good result but still making silly mistakes.

 

[Judas]

Happy to win, it’s the cup so any win will do but I was content.

Martial is a problem, and a real concern.

 

[Rake]

I'm glad we won but I'm worried for the match against City. For the past few games it has been easy for teams to bypass our midfield and get into decent scoring positions. Haven't listened to EtH's postgame presser but I'll be surprised if he is not critical of that yet again.

 

[RC89]

The game by no means was perfect, the school boy error and not too many clear cut chances. With that said, I though on the attacking half we showed some brilliant play, the first time passing, the give and go's were particularly good to see.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

It was like this even under Ferguson. We'd win 5-1 and there'd still be posts like...

It's always been interesting to see on the Caf (been a lurker for the last 15 years probably),
that to some people- don't know whether you're one of them and even if you are, you opinion is as good as mine- if we won by a great difference it means we also played well automatically.

"Just shut up and enjoy the 3-0 you absolutely miserable lot" or words to that effect.

I distinctly remember a game in Mourinho's 2nd season I believe it was,
it was the second game of the season and we were away to Swansea, beating them 0-4 but three of our goals came after the 80th minute;

we were so fecking average the entire game (leading 0-1, being the second-best team on the field), We looked disjointed, they had the ball and were pinning us back, our counter-attacking was crap for the most part...
I bet the matchday thread was full of people moaning, justifiably so if you asked me...
and then we score the 2nd goal, and they fall apart and we win 0-4 away to Swansea, an incredible reslut no doubt.

What do you do in a scenario like this? Would you critisize the tons of things we did wrong, or focus on enjoying the result?

Both stances are perfectly fine IMO (I'll be one of the critiques but I can see why it's annoying)

We had quite a bunch of them of them under Fergie as well, esp in his latter 2 years where our level dropped but results were consistent enough ("slow, zombie football" rings a bell?).

It's an interesting discussion to be had, and I don't think it necessarily correlates with one's inclination to be optimistic/pessimistic.

 

[TwoSheds]

It's always been interesting to see on the Caf (been a lurker for the last 15 years probably),
that to some people- don't know whether you're one of them and even if you are, you opinion is as good as mine- if we won by a great difference it means we also played well automatically.

"Just shut up and enjoy the 3-0 you absolutely miserable lot" or words to that effect.

I distinctly remember a game in Mourinho's 2nd season I believe it was,
it was the second game of the season and we were away to Swansea, beating them 0-4 but three of our goals came after the 80th minute;

we were so fecking average the entire game (leading 0-1, being the second-best team on the field), We looked disjointed, they had the ball and were pinning us back, our counter-attacking was crap for the most part...
I bet the matchday thread was full of people moaning, justifiably so if you asked me...
and then we score the 2nd goal, and they fall apart and we win 0-4 away to Swansea, an incredible reslut no doubt.

What do you do in a scenario like this? Would you critisize the tons of things we did wrong, or focus on enjoying the result?

Both stances are perfectly fine IMO (I'll be one of the critiques but I can see why it's annoying)

We had quite a bunch of them of them under Fergie as well, esp in his latter 2 years where our level dropped but results were consistent enough ("slow, zombie football" rings a bell?).

It's an interesting discussion to be had, and I don't think it necessarily correlates with one's inclination to be optimistic/pessimistic.

So wise.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

So wise.

sarcasm aside, don't you think it's a thing?
Ole had this however many wins' streak in the beginning, some matches we played brilliantly,
others we were gash.

About those games, people often wrote that we are lucky and that results will catch up with performances.

They were called all sorts of names. They were proven to be right.

I don't see what's wrong with being happy that we won but also have concerns that we've played badly.

 

[cyberman]

sarcasm aside, don't you think it's a thing?
Ole had this however many wins' streak in the beginning, some matches we played brilliantly,
others we were gash.

About those games, people often wrote that we are lucky and that results will catch up with performances.

They were called all sorts of names. They were proven to be right.

I don't see what's wrong with being happy that we won but also have concerns that we've played badly.

They were proven right…two and a half years later?

 

[croadyman]

I'm glad we won but I'm worried for the match against City. For the past few games it has been easy for teams to bypass our midfield and get into decent scoring positions. Haven't listened to EtH's postgame presser but I'll be surprised if he is not critical of that yet again.

When Varane and Martinez aren't there teams seem to be getting a lot more joy

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

They were proven right…two and a half years later?

How do you mean? Under Ole, most performances were a mix of good and bad, and so were the results after that amazing start. Weren't they?

 

[cyberman]

How do you mean? Under Ole, most performances were a mix of good and bad, and so were the results after that amazing start. Weren't they?

The quote was the performances would catch up on us, it ended with a third placed finish and runners up. That lasted longer than Tuchel!
It’s just too long of a period of time for the quote to make sense.

 

[TwoSheds]

sarcasm aside, don't you think it's a thing?
Ole had this however many wins' streak in the beginning, some matches we played brilliantly,
others we were gash.

About those games, people often wrote that we are lucky and that results will catch up with performances.

They were called all sorts of names. They were proven to be right.

I don't see what's wrong with being happy that we won but also have concerns that we've played badly.

Are you genuinely worried about the trajectory of the team though? It wasn't an amazing performance yesterday but we won reasonably comfortably, certainly at the start we played some lovely football, team looked a bit tired but still ran all game and got the result. I don't see the point in dwelling on the negatives and yet it's all some people want to talk about.

By all means talk about the good and the bad but how can so many people only want to talk about the things they didn't like about that game? I'm not sure football is for those people if theu didn't enjoy any of it or take any positives. Bad performances happen for every team, every manager, every year. But that wasn't even a bad performance, it was just a bit mixed.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

Are you genuinely worried about the trajectory of the team though? It wasn't an amazing performance yesterday but we won reasonably comfortably, certainly at the start we played some lovely football, team looked a bit tired but still ran all game and got the result. I don't see the point in dwelling on the negatives and yet it's all some people want to talk about.

By all means talk about the good and the bad but how can so many people only want to talk about the things they didn't like about that game? I'm not sure football is for those people if theu didn't enjoy any of it or take any positives. Bad performances happen for every team, every manager, every year. But that wasn't even a bad performance, it was just a bit mixed.

No no, first time in ages where I can see tons of positive stuff in our play even when we lose (well, 3-6 loss aside). Erik is doingly an amazing job so far. It's actually a bit scary, what with all the disappointments we had the last 9 years.

Not worried one bit. It's a shame that we have to face City with this squad and this manager.
but well, you'd think tons of fans thought exactly this about us for decades.

I think we're heading in a very good direction. With the competition in the PL being fiercer than ever (Liverpool will get their shit together, Newcastle will turn into something serious you'd think) it won't necessarily bring us titles,

but it's going to be satisfying nonetheless.

What worries me now is that we'll get bought by a state, but that's another matter.

 

[GregM40]

Thought it was our poorest performance since the restart and still won 3-1, fairly comfortably. Kind of says a lot about our direction of travel! Atmosphere was great last night, expected more from Everton considering their allocation.

Must rest our most important players on Tuesday, although with it being a great chance to get to a semi final I'd expect Ten Hag to still take it seriously and put a strong team out.

 

[GaryLifo]

It's always been interesting to see on the Caf (been a lurker for the last 15 years probably),
that to some people- don't know whether you're one of them and even if you are, you opinion is as good as mine- if we won by a great difference it means we also played well automatically.

"Just shut up and enjoy the 3-0 you absolutely miserable lot" or words to that effect.

I distinctly remember a game in Mourinho's 2nd season I believe it was,
it was the second game of the season and we were away to Swansea, beating them 0-4 but three of our goals came after the 80th minute;

we were so fecking average the entire game (leading 0-1, being the second-best team on the field), We looked disjointed, they had the ball and were pinning us back, our counter-attacking was crap for the most part...
I bet the matchday thread was full of people moaning, justifiably so if you asked me...
and then we score the 2nd goal, and they fall apart and we win 0-4 away to Swansea, an incredible reslut no doubt.

What do you do in a scenario like this? Would you critisize the tons of things we did wrong, or focus on enjoying the result?

Both stances are perfectly fine IMO (I'll be one of the critiques but I can see why it's annoying)

We had quite a bunch of them of them under Fergie as well, esp in his latter 2 years where our level dropped but results were consistent enough ("slow, zombie football" rings a bell?).

It's an interesting discussion to be had, and I don't think it necessarily correlates with one's inclination to be optimistic/pessimistic.

You raise some interesting points. I am a little in the middle on this. I can see how it's fine to criticise some elements of even a winning performance where the scoreline perhaps flatters us. But I'm still also one of those who would crack on and enjoy a narrow win in a tough game where we've ridden our luck a bit. That late win at Anfield when O'Shea scored a scrappy goal is still one of my favourite games

 

[NLunited]

It's always been interesting to see on the Caf (been a lurker for the last 15 years probably),
that to some people- don't know whether you're one of them and even if you are, you opinion is as good as mine- if we won by a great difference it means we also played well automatically.

"Just shut up and enjoy the 3-0 you absolutely miserable lot" or words to that effect.

I distinctly remember a game in Mourinho's 2nd season I believe it was,
it was the second game of the season and we were away to Swansea, beating them 0-4 but three of our goals came after the 80th minute;

we were so fecking average the entire game (leading 0-1, being the second-best team on the field), We looked disjointed, they had the ball and were pinning us back, our counter-attacking was crap for the most part...
I bet the matchday thread was full of people moaning, justifiably so if you asked me...
and then we score the 2nd goal, and they fall apart and we win 0-4 away to Swansea, an incredible reslut no doubt.

What do you do in a scenario like this? Would you critisize the tons of things we did wrong, or focus on enjoying the result?

Both stances are perfectly fine IMO (I'll be one of the critiques but I can see why it's annoying)

We had quite a bunch of them of them under Fergie as well, esp in his latter 2 years where our level dropped but results were consistent enough ("slow, zombie football" rings a bell?).

It's an interesting discussion to be had, and I don't think it necessarily correlates with one's inclination to be optimistic/pessimistic.

You have to be critical of the performance if it wasn’t good, even if you end up winning big. But take into account fatigue and how the other team is playing.

The narrative that certain games should be easy needs to die. There are no easy games in PL, and very few otherwise as well. Almost every team is well organized now, and has something that can hurt you.

 

[sebsheep]

We were the better team, but still a large dose of luck was needed to win. Penalty was harsh, I’d be pissed if that was given against us. Some of team look gassed. Play like this against a top 10 side and it’s not going to end well. Good to continue in this competition, though.

That was a pretty clear penalty, pulls him back initially and then tries to challenge for the ball but only gets the player. It was just poor defending.

 

[sparx99]

Rashford is playing like prime Ronaldo. He looks dangerous everytime he was on the ball. He carried the team.

Antony is too left footed. EPL defenders watch a few of his video clips and it was easy to mark him. Just don't let him cut to the left because his right foot is basically useless. He should learn from Rashford and Sancho playing at the wing almost 2 footed. Even Garnacho looks more dangerous. It's still early days but he needs to improve many aspects in his games to justify $90M price tag.

Martial blows cold again and shows why we desperately need a better striker.

Our attacking 4 - Rashford, Martial, Antony and Bruno, only Rashford was playing well and basically give us the win.

Antony reminds me of a younger Mahrez or Salah. It takes time sometimes for those kind of players to find their feet. Both of them have been very successful while being mostly one-footed.

 

[glasgow 21]

We were the better team, but still a large dose of luck was needed to win. Penalty was harsh, I’d be pissed if that was given against us. Some of team look gassed. Play like this against a top 10 side and it’s not going to end well. Good to continue in this competition, though.

Yeah quite right, it was lucky first goal, defender should have covered a poor antony run. second goal was lucky as defender should have been better ,Rashford was lucky to get by him and a poor pass resulted in a unlucky own goal. Split second better run on the wing would have keep everton on side for second goal to make it 2-2 . If dea gea hadn't been lucky and saved a shot would be 3-2 to everton and they would have seen the game out. Hope this makes you feel better.

 

[sparx99]

You have to be critical of the performance if it wasn’t good, even if you end up winning big. But take into account fatigue and how the other team is playing.

The narrative that certain games should be easy needs to die. There are no easy games in PL, and very few otherwise as well. Almost every team is well organized now, and has something that can hurt you.

You can’t underestimate how hard it is to win all of our games since the World Cup. Tight schedule, mishmash of players coming back and in general a time when points are dropped.

If we can beat Charlton with a 2nd XI on Tuesday then that’s will cap an incredibly festive period. Then some really big games come up.

 

[JustinC00]

Looks like we are going to be charged

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...chester-united-everton?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[dalriada]

Happy to win, it’s the cup so any win will do but I was content.

Martial is a problem, and a real concern.

It's a case of "when is Martial not a concern?". Even when he arrived under LVG (and it's that long ago) he's had a moodiness that manifests itself in his performances. A Number 9 will always want to be the big man and the main goal scorer, but the way he just fades out of games if he's not means we can't depend on him as our 9 for much longer, it's gone on long enough.
The line-up wasn't rotated as much as I expected for an FA Cup match, but they are an EPL team and it's a knock out match. I thought Marcus looked very tired in the post-match interview. Presumably there'll be big rotation for the EFL match.

 

[Sandikan]

Thought Martial was good in first half and poor in second. Need more from the striker anyway.

Now people have stopped trying to batter Ronaldo with all the "oh but we're so much better with Martial in there" talk, the actual truth is staring us in the face.

It's the same Martial as a couple of seasons ago. Brilliant in flashes, but anonymous a lot of the time.

 

[Sandikan]

Looks like we are going to be charged

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...chester-united-everton?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Heard that chant and thought oh no, they're going to be boring on about this again.

 

[Telsim]

Yeah quite right, it was lucky first goal, defender should have covered a poor antony run. second goal was lucky as defender should have been better ,Rashford was lucky to get by him and a poor pass resulted in a unlucky own goal. Split second better run on the wing would have keep everton on side for second goal to make it 2-2 . If dea gea hadn't been lucky and saved a shot would be 3-2 to everton and they would have seen the game out. Hope this makes you feel better.

Trust me, this sounded a lot better in your head.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

You raise some interesting points. I am a little in the middle on this. I can see how it's fine to criticise some elements of even a winning performance where the scoreline perhaps flatters us. But I'm still also one of those who would crack on and enjoy a narrow win in a tough game where we've ridden our luck a bit. That late win at Anfield when O'Shea scored a scrappy goal is still one of my favourite games

One of my favorite goals ever! haha. The sheer joy of VDS and G. Neville... oh my, was that a good one.
against Pool, I couldn't give a toss about our performances.
If the ref himself scores 3 in our favor with his elbows, I'll be the happiest person alive. feck them.

 

[croadyman]

Heard that chant and thought oh no, they're going to be boring on about this again.

Yeah soon as I heard it on TV I thought uh oh we are back in October at Chelsea when we got condemned for it again

 

[GaryLifo]

One of my favorite goals ever! haha. The sheer joy of VDS and G. Neville... oh my, was that a good one.
against Pool, I couldn't give a toss about our performances.
If the ref himself scores 3 in our favor with his elbows, I'll be the happiest person alive. feck them.

We had ten men. It was injury time and they thought they were nailed on to dent our title ambitions