Its not VAR its the shit referee's.
PL W FA Premier League
Everton 1:2 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 09 October 2022
I think the rules say during build up to the goal. Antonio's was during the build up and the phase of play also hadn't changed. It's not the rules, it's the moronic refs who are behind the screen who are awful.
FIFY.
You know that sound after the roar of the crowd dies? The one as they realize the VAR is going to decide their fate? That is something I cannot get past. But if you can then I guess you have many years of enjoyment ahead waiting on the refs to dispense the winner.
Good to see us not melt after conceding first for a change,was so nervous they were gonna find a way through a la Arteta in that 3-3 draw in 2010.
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Yeah we are under or over hitting too much,hopefully with more time on the training this will improve. Needs to because facing some quality midfields in next three games.
Have to give credit to the lads for two come-from-behind wins in a row after the City trouncing. It wasn't always convincing, but at the end of the day its about the points.
So you don't see much positives then
Will be looking but doubt leeches sanction it
Watching the game with Martinez / Erickssen on the pitch raises an important question. What on gods green earth our scouting team and Woodward doing for over a decade?
Good win except last 5mins.
We need to target one or two proper CF in next winter or summer window in top priority. Martial and Ronaldo are not the answer due to injury and aged.
But the official is just a joke！
We need to target one or two proper CF in next winter or summer window in top priority. Martial and Ronaldo are not the answer due to injury and aged.
But the official is just a joke！
I hated it when Everton players celebrated their goal with a "photo finish". After the game, I have fond memories of that photo finish 
Good performance, better result. Not sure why some here are calling Everton shit. They had allowed the least amount of goals in the league before playing us, and we created chance after chance. Quite a few Debbie Downers in here.
Also, hate the handball rule not the ref/VAR. It was a dumb rule they added this season to take the discretion away from the refs on whether the handball is intentional or not. Other matches having similar goals counting doesn't matter. By the rule, it was a no-goal. It's the rule that is beyond stupid. We just unluckily had a VAR who did his job unlike the other matches.
Also, hate the handball rule not the ref/VAR. It was a dumb rule they added this season to take the discretion away from the refs on whether the handball is intentional or not. Other matches having similar goals counting doesn't matter. By the rule, it was a no-goal. It's the rule that is beyond stupid. We just unluckily had a VAR who did his job unlike the other matches.
Just watched the first half and Casemiero's mistake aside, we were superb. Yes our attack will take time to gel and put teams away but the general play and control over the goal was of a very high level. Antony gives us a new dimension in that our possession doesn't die on the right flank anymore. A quality RB would take us up another notch.
Actually we would have had a pretty major complaint given that Rashford had a goal pretty harshly disallowed.
I'll still take VAR, even with West Ham's goals standing and Rashford's being chalked off. All the person on VAR duty does is signal that the center ref may have missed something, so it's still on the main referee to get his shit together and ref better.
VAR should be used to check red card offenses, and penalty shouts. Other than that, feck off. No computerized offside calls, just let the linesmen wave their damn flags. Let the goal scorers and fans celebrate when the ball goes in. No flag = it stands. VAR should be a very helpful tool for making the game fairer and the ref standards higher, but it's turned into just another shitshow with a different name.
VAR should be used to check red card offenses, and penalty shouts. Other than that, feck off. No computerized offside calls, just let the linesmen wave their damn flags. Let the goal scorers and fans celebrate when the ball goes in. No flag = it stands. VAR should be a very helpful tool for making the game fairer and the ref standards higher, but it's turned into just another shitshow with a different name.
Sacking the head of scouting was not good enough. They should explain what they have been doing for years because they were getting paid. It's a criminal offence. As a fan, I knew Eriksen is united Quality when he was at Ajax. We had the chance to sign Haaland when he was still in norway then Salzburg. When I see certain players go to clubs for cheap, I wonder if we have scouts.
Just listened to refrees watch. The rule makes it clear that any handball that results directly to a goal, the goal should be disallowed. If rashfold had passed the ball to Bruno or someone else had scored that goal, it would have been a goal. Crazy rule and I am sure this rule will not last
DDG - biggest and sweetest surprise. Impressive work as a sweeper keeper. Looked like he played Neuer style for ages. Didn’t expect that.
Lindelof is a solid back up. Reliable, calm and industrious. He desperately needs a functioning team around him.
Lisandro - his usual standard. What a player.
Dalot. People tend to assess players on stand alone basis and are too harsh on him. Yes, he had a bad game, lost position and the ball too often. But his movement and technical ability are important for this team structure. He just started to form partnership with Antony. I’m sure he will be much better once they play10-15 games together. Look at what happened on the left flank.
Left side. Shawberto Carlos - put Rashy in front of him and voila. Euro finalist is back. Monstrous performance.
Casemiro - errors aside, good performance. With Casemiro, we can have 2 number 8s.
Eriksen - Bruno. These two were everywhere. Great movement, pressing, link up, switching the ball. Destroyed Everton midfield in first half.
Rashford - is starting to do what he does best. Aggressive, runs at defenders with the ball, makes runs without the ball, presses, etc.
Antony - just like Lisandro. Great signing.
Martial - ideal number 9 for us when fit.
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Ronaldo - slows the team and negatively affects his teammates.
Lindelof is a solid back up. Reliable, calm and industrious. He desperately needs a functioning team around him.
Lisandro - his usual standard. What a player.
Dalot. People tend to assess players on stand alone basis and are too harsh on him. Yes, he had a bad game, lost position and the ball too often. But his movement and technical ability are important for this team structure. He just started to form partnership with Antony. I’m sure he will be much better once they play10-15 games together. Look at what happened on the left flank.
Left side. Shawberto Carlos - put Rashy in front of him and voila. Euro finalist is back. Monstrous performance.
Casemiro - errors aside, good performance. With Casemiro, we can have 2 number 8s.
Eriksen - Bruno. These two were everywhere. Great movement, pressing, link up, switching the ball. Destroyed Everton midfield in first half.
Rashford - is starting to do what he does best. Aggressive, runs at defenders with the ball, makes runs without the ball, presses, etc.
Antony - just like Lisandro. Great signing.
Martial - ideal number 9 for us when fit.
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Ronaldo - slows the team and negatively affects his teammates.
You can bank on us to lose if we score very early on. Too much buzz too early on.
He does touch it with his arm. But you can only see it from one specific angle.
I thought that was more of a middling performance by Shaw. Showed good aggresiveness and defended well, but little impact going forward. Also I don't think either Bruno or Eriksen deserve such plaudits. Dalot good first half, 2nd not so much. Martinez and Casemiro our best for me. Though you can see the latter still haven't fully transitioned to the pace and intensity of the PL.
3 points from Goodison.
We're sloppy.
We're sloppy.
If we get an upgrade on Dalot (and DDG + Striker) then look out.
We might actually be able to start contending for trophies.
Not saying we should get rid of Dalot, just saying we need an alternative who will hopefully be even better.
We might actually be able to start contending for trophies.
Not saying we should get rid of Dalot, just saying we need an alternative who will hopefully be even better.
There's nothing else about last night you feel could be mentioned about Ronaldo if you're doing a player rating?
That is the crazy part - either it's handball or it isn't. If they want to have a rule then have it - we went for decades without it when accidental meant accidental. I can see that it rules out the part where a player can fool the ref into thinking it was accidental but then the only logic is to pull play back if someone else scores too. It's beyond dim. That said, you can't blame VAR for this one, you can jowever blame whichever clowns came up with the idea
Yeh same if it was flipped and we scored early. Bank on us letting it slip.
I thought we were pretty good, especially in the first half. We were the better team throughout, people saying everton controlled the second half should look at how many saves DDG had to make (I counted one where he tipped the ball away from an onrushing player. Even then he wasn't guaranteed to score.)
Antony was very impressive in the first half but faded a bit after that. Casemiro did some great things and some truly awful ones. Eriksen dominated the midfield, and Rashford, as always, looks better coming in from the left. Sadly, the wind blew so Martial got injured... he really is turning into Darren Anderton...
People will still criticise Ronaldo but he did a fair bit of defending, scored a lovely goal and his flick for Rashford's disallowed goal was fantastic. He also showed once again that he's better playing slightly wider or behind a front man. I've said it before, he's not a No.9. Playing slightly off that allows him to find my space and pull away from defenders. We desperately need a top-class goal scorer who will convert half chances (or less). We had a few shots from just outside the penalty area that didn't trouble Pickford but a real No9 might well have scored and made the closing minutes easier. the disallowed goal was not VAR's fault - it's a ridiculous rule that needs looking at. If it's a handball when the same payers score but isn't if he passes, that shows it to be yet another unthought-through piece of garbage from the FA. Either it is a handball or it isn't...
One enormous positive: I don't doubt for minute that last year we'd have conceded an equaliser. Despite a little bit of panic and United fans' fear, we never really looked like doing so in this game. We really did restrict their chances all game. Martinez was one of the reasons for this but Lindelof was also (and not for the first time, despite what his detractors here say) flawless. Shaw looked much fitter (and slimmer) and my only complaint was DDG still passing the ball out short to a man whose marker is on top of him and pretty much dead centre of the goal - crass stupidity.
All in all this was very promising and we can't complain about five PL wins out of six (especially when the sixth was City). Newcastle will be a really tough game - if we win that then we are really starting to get what ETH wants...
Antony was very impressive in the first half but faded a bit after that. Casemiro did some great things and some truly awful ones. Eriksen dominated the midfield, and Rashford, as always, looks better coming in from the left. Sadly, the wind blew so Martial got injured... he really is turning into Darren Anderton...
People will still criticise Ronaldo but he did a fair bit of defending, scored a lovely goal and his flick for Rashford's disallowed goal was fantastic. He also showed once again that he's better playing slightly wider or behind a front man. I've said it before, he's not a No.9. Playing slightly off that allows him to find my space and pull away from defenders. We desperately need a top-class goal scorer who will convert half chances (or less). We had a few shots from just outside the penalty area that didn't trouble Pickford but a real No9 might well have scored and made the closing minutes easier. the disallowed goal was not VAR's fault - it's a ridiculous rule that needs looking at. If it's a handball when the same payers score but isn't if he passes, that shows it to be yet another unthought-through piece of garbage from the FA. Either it is a handball or it isn't...
One enormous positive: I don't doubt for minute that last year we'd have conceded an equaliser. Despite a little bit of panic and United fans' fear, we never really looked like doing so in this game. We really did restrict their chances all game. Martinez was one of the reasons for this but Lindelof was also (and not for the first time, despite what his detractors here say) flawless. Shaw looked much fitter (and slimmer) and my only complaint was DDG still passing the ball out short to a man whose marker is on top of him and pretty much dead centre of the goal - crass stupidity.
All in all this was very promising and we can't complain about five PL wins out of six (especially when the sixth was City). Newcastle will be a really tough game - if we win that then we are really starting to get what ETH wants...
You just stopped. And with our inability to cope with setbacks that was the wrong thing to do. Even the disallowed Rashford goal made us wobble a bit. I'd say the game plan was to hit us on the break if ye went ahead but it was too early and too drastic a change in you lot. You killed the momentum yourselves. Weirdos. But thanks.
In game management is something Lampard is pretty naive with still and it cost us yesterday. If we score a second I don’t see you coming back. Once you got in front it was inevitable you’d win. Disappointing but still think we have enough to have a decent season.
Those are 3 hard games. If we can come out of them without any losses, we will have done well.
Doesn't that only apply to situations where the ball hits an arm and then goes in directly?
A very proffessional perfotmance. Casemiro started and assisted. Martial started and assisted. CR7 cane off the bench scored and looked good. Varane returned. Only draw backs were Martial injured again and we simply don't kill teams off early enough with what we create.
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Remember the Middlesbrough goal against us last season? That wasn't handball apparently. But Rashford's goal was? 
The refereeing in this league is utterly atrocious.
The refereeing in this league is utterly atrocious.
I thought there were a lot of collective things in this game that looked encouraging, until roughly halfway through the second half, when our game dropped alarmingly, We pressed very well, had a good measure of control in the midfield, handled playing out from the back well and managed to generate more sustained offensive pressure than we've seen in a long time. There were still imperfections, but overall I think we saw a smoother, more functioning team.
I suspect Casemiro has a good deal to do with that. He'll probably need a lengthier run of games to adjust fully to the intensity and pace of the PL game and weed out those occasional bloopers where a pass goes badly astray or he dawdles on the ball, but his class is just so evident. Efficient and quick distribution, all of the time, and excellent defensive reading. Plus the occasional decisive intervention offensively. Martinez is I think also key to this.
With others, there's a sense of things beginning to approach something really good. Antony with his consistent scoring is looking more and more integrated for every game. Dalot is beginning to look like a commanding presence on the ball, and while he's still putting up some bloopers in his passing and is sometimes less than good defensively, the good stuff is now happening more often and the bad stuff less often - it feels like the contours of something that could be really good. We've seen Lindelof work well as a stand-in for Varane, which is needed. And Shaw is beginning to get there too - much sharper defensively and in his intensity yesterday, now his offensive game needs to return. That'll help Rashford too, if he continues out on the left. And Martial looks all primed, if he can stay healthy.
Great to see Ronaldo score again and 700 is a stunning achievement - but yesterday there were some pretty big negatives as well. He probably cost Bruno a goal twice, with one intervention that was downright brainless (coming out of an offside position) and another that at best showed defective awareness (going up to flick the cross that was headed right for Bruno who'd have had an open goal). Also earlier, when he wasted a good opportunity with a weak shot from outside the box, with two teammates free and primed for good runs to his left. It's not often you see a striker make so many decisive bad decisions in the amount of time he spent on the pitch.
I suspect Casemiro has a good deal to do with that. He'll probably need a lengthier run of games to adjust fully to the intensity and pace of the PL game and weed out those occasional bloopers where a pass goes badly astray or he dawdles on the ball, but his class is just so evident. Efficient and quick distribution, all of the time, and excellent defensive reading. Plus the occasional decisive intervention offensively. Martinez is I think also key to this.
With others, there's a sense of things beginning to approach something really good. Antony with his consistent scoring is looking more and more integrated for every game. Dalot is beginning to look like a commanding presence on the ball, and while he's still putting up some bloopers in his passing and is sometimes less than good defensively, the good stuff is now happening more often and the bad stuff less often - it feels like the contours of something that could be really good. We've seen Lindelof work well as a stand-in for Varane, which is needed. And Shaw is beginning to get there too - much sharper defensively and in his intensity yesterday, now his offensive game needs to return. That'll help Rashford too, if he continues out on the left. And Martial looks all primed, if he can stay healthy.
Great to see Ronaldo score again and 700 is a stunning achievement - but yesterday there were some pretty big negatives as well. He probably cost Bruno a goal twice, with one intervention that was downright brainless (coming out of an offside position) and another that at best showed defective awareness (going up to flick the cross that was headed right for Bruno who'd have had an open goal). Also earlier, when he wasted a good opportunity with a weak shot from outside the box, with two teammates free and primed for good runs to his left. It's not often you see a striker make so many decisive bad decisions in the amount of time he spent on the pitch.
It absolutely stunk of 2-2 that game so was very pleased to see it through. Gutted Martial got injured but he still contributed. Ronaldo needs to know when to leave it for someone else. Casemiro grew into the game, not sure about MOTM though. Varane won it for us stopping Pickford getting a goal, could you imagine?
Overall we made hard work of it and should have been out of sight if we’d taken earlier chances. Also the inconsistencies with refereeing yesterday were atrocious regarding handballs.
5th vs 6th next week, should be a cracker.
Overall we made hard work of it and should have been out of sight if we’d taken earlier chances. Also the inconsistencies with refereeing yesterday were atrocious regarding handballs.
5th vs 6th next week, should be a cracker.
We certainly do have a lot of professional, and probably amateur scouts all over the world, and every week I would imagine someone's name would be put forward to the heirarchy to see if they could be a United player. The final decision would rest with the head of scouting, and several other within the club. It's generally not the scout's fault if these players don't get picked up, it will be the decision makers within the club.
Feels like a huge result, i was sure we'd drop points. I thought we controlled the game and were quite comfortable in the main, shame the Rashy goal never stood as i think that would have put more of a gloss on it and a better reflection of how we played.
We were a different team with Martial on the pitch. We looked very fluid and dangerous. His link up play, close control and running at defenders gives us something we have lacked. Sancho should offer us something similar but doesn’t for whatever reason. We need him fit/another player like him. We were shit after Ronaldo came on. That Everton team are muck. How we let them get control of the game second half was a real head scratcher. We were a cross or a deflection away from dropping points against a really bad side. We need a two goal cushion before playing on the counter. We are not stable enough with a one goal lead.
I think the game showed the best and worst of the Alex Iwobi midfield experiment. Nicely taken goal but lost the ball so many times thereafter.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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25%
Casemiro
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11%
Christian Eriksen
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10%
Lisandro Martinez
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8%
Antony
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6%
Cristiano Ronaldo
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6%
Marcus Rashford
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5%
David de Gea
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2%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Bruno Fernandes
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 298 ratings.
Score Predictions
156,22,33
- Man Utd win
- Everton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 27% Everton 1:2 Man Utd
- 14% Everton 0:2 Man Utd
- 11% Everton 1:3 Man Utd
- 10% Everton 1:1 Man Utd
- 7% Everton 0:1 Man Utd
- 6% Everton 0:3 Man Utd
- 5% Everton 2:2 Man Utd
- 4% Everton 2:1 Man Utd
- 3% Everton 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 2:0 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 2:4 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 0:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 0:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 0:9 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Everton
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 39% 61%
- Shots
- 10 12
- Shots on Target
- 2 4
- Corners
- 5 4
- Fouls
- 7 13
Referee
David Coote
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Cristiano Ronaldo
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replaced by Raphael Varane
