How do you know that Ronaldo negatively affects his teammates. Not talking about press speculation. Actual facts.
PL W FA Premier League
Everton 1:2 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 09 October 2022
How do you know that Ronaldo negatively affects his teammates. Not talking about press speculation. Actual facts.
Everton were awful. Probably the worst team we've come across this season thus far..
We were first to every ball without even trying at times. That second half for most parts felt like a flipping testimonial
A better United side would've walloped them 4-1
It is what it is..It's still very early days in this ten Hag era. Happy with the 3 points.
Need to up the pace and intensity soon though what with Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea away coming up.
We were first to every ball without even trying at times. That second half for most parts felt like a flipping testimonial
A better United side would've walloped them 4-1
It is what it is..It's still very early days in this ten Hag era. Happy with the 3 points.
Need to up the pace and intensity soon though what with Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea away coming up.
Casemiro scored?
Just a really rubbish and sloppy game from everyone unfortunately.
You'd fear for Everton. They are a good club that haven't made great decisions the last few years in my view.
They were poor yest, we were okay, in control at least.
They were poor yest, we were okay, in control at least.
I agree Everton did not look impressive yesterday. But then it's always the question; did we look good because they were so poor, or did they look bad because we were good, and made them bad?
They came in with a seven-game undefeated streak, and had allowed the fewest goals against of any team in the PL. They might have had an uncharacteristically bad night yesterday, but there's really scant reason to assume we had an easy opponent here.
Think it was a bit of both. We played well but let them back into it a bit.
Weird game. 80% of the time we looked really good, 20% of the time we were sloppy. When we played well you could really see a good team emerging, but when you look at our sloppy moments, you can see where a better team than Everton would pick us off.
The main thing I liked is that we bossed possession, and in the first half at least, kept them chasing shadows. There's been a lot of debate about whether we played possession based football, yesterday we certainly did. And unlike against Brighton and Brentford (where we had even more possession) this wasn't because the opposition were just sitting back and hurting us on the counter attack.
Performance wise, a few players stood out. Casemiro had a game that mirrored that of the team as a whole, mostly excellent but sloppy far too often. That wild pass to no-one, followed by a great tackle and a peach of a through ball to Ronaldo pretty much summed him up. Martinez is our best defender at this point in time. Antony is looking decent, I particularly like his workrate to go with his ability. Eriksen is class. Ronaldo is still not what he was, but this was probably his best performance this season, and not just for his goal. Shaw gave glimpses of his form from two seasons ago. De Gea even managed to do a bit of sweeping and was more prepared to pass the ball along the backline than in previous weeks.
On the downside, Martial was looking good again but injury struck yet again. It was always a vain hope that he'd see out a good run of form this season, but it doenst look like its happening for him. Dalot had an off day, and Bruno continues to struggle. Rashford was so-so, even though he was unlucky with the disallowed goal.
I'm content with how things are going. If you ignore the City scoreline for a second and just consider that we've won 5 of our last 6 matches from a really tough run, things are looking ok. We just need to keep things going to build up the confidence of the team so they can deal with adversity better.
The main thing I liked is that we bossed possession, and in the first half at least, kept them chasing shadows. There's been a lot of debate about whether we played possession based football, yesterday we certainly did. And unlike against Brighton and Brentford (where we had even more possession) this wasn't because the opposition were just sitting back and hurting us on the counter attack.
Performance wise, a few players stood out. Casemiro had a game that mirrored that of the team as a whole, mostly excellent but sloppy far too often. That wild pass to no-one, followed by a great tackle and a peach of a through ball to Ronaldo pretty much summed him up. Martinez is our best defender at this point in time. Antony is looking decent, I particularly like his workrate to go with his ability. Eriksen is class. Ronaldo is still not what he was, but this was probably his best performance this season, and not just for his goal. Shaw gave glimpses of his form from two seasons ago. De Gea even managed to do a bit of sweeping and was more prepared to pass the ball along the backline than in previous weeks.
On the downside, Martial was looking good again but injury struck yet again. It was always a vain hope that he'd see out a good run of form this season, but it doenst look like its happening for him. Dalot had an off day, and Bruno continues to struggle. Rashford was so-so, even though he was unlucky with the disallowed goal.
I'm content with how things are going. If you ignore the City scoreline for a second and just consider that we've won 5 of our last 6 matches from a really tough run, things are looking ok. We just need to keep things going to build up the confidence of the team so they can deal with adversity better.
We're playing some very fluid, confident looking football now with some very nice passes between the lines - Martinez being a huge part of that.
It’s clear what we need to help compete for that top 4 place this season. Strikers could be hard to get in of the required quality until
Next summer so it’s going to be a tough achievement. Looking forward light years off city even our best players would need replacing for that.
Next summer so it’s going to be a tough achievement. Looking forward light years off city even our best players would need replacing for that.
I don’t think it makes any difference. The goal scorer can’t use their hand, whereas the ball can hit a defender’s arm and a penalty not be given if it’s from close range and unintentional. Unless I misunderstood…
Regarding the match, a lot of negativity on here. I thought we were excellent in the first half and pretty good for the first 35 minutes of the second half. Even in the last 10 minutes we defended resolutely - yeah they pressured a lot and got some scrappy corners, but their best “chance” was from 25 yards out.
Really pleased with that performance and surprised too. It wasn’t highly polished but I liked the aggression and positivity in our passing and winning the ball back. Maybe someone can find the stats but I feel like we haven’t played that many forward passes in a game for a while or won the ball that high up the pitch as much.
We can mention Everton were shite but teams being shite hasn’t stopped us from being equally as shite in the past.
Martinez and Casemiro set the tone for me, humungous upgrade on Maguire and Mctominay in terms of what they can do with the ball. Playing between lines, playing forward, not taking 200 touches on the ball or aimlessly charging forward with the ball and then turning back around…
We can mention Everton were shite but teams being shite hasn’t stopped us from being equally as shite in the past.
Martinez and Casemiro set the tone for me, humungous upgrade on Maguire and Mctominay in terms of what they can do with the ball. Playing between lines, playing forward, not taking 200 touches on the ball or aimlessly charging forward with the ball and then turning back around…
Good result, not a good performance. Once Martial went off we didn't look good at all.
After first ten minutes and the now customary 1 goal start to the opposition (only joking), the rest of the first half was the best we have played consistently for a serious amount of time in any match.... or maybe it was Everton that were rubbish?
Everyone had a decent match, for me the standouts were Casemiro and Shaw. Casemiro after a Shakey start showed glimpses of what he can do and Shaw was out to secure his fullback position, and for me did so!
We had the ball in the Everton net 4 times and had the final score been 3 or 4 for us it would have been more reflective of our control.
Back on track (hopefully)
Have to mention CR's 700th goal, what a record.... and Antony's celebration smirk alongside him, should have got a screen shot!
Everyone had a decent match, for me the standouts were Casemiro and Shaw. Casemiro after a Shakey start showed glimpses of what he can do and Shaw was out to secure his fullback position, and for me did so!
We had the ball in the Everton net 4 times and had the final score been 3 or 4 for us it would have been more reflective of our control.
Back on track (hopefully)
Have to mention CR's 700th goal, what a record.... and Antony's celebration smirk alongside him, should have got a screen shot!
Agreed. Hard to fathom
Same crowd who go hunting scapegoats nightly, full up on opinions galore and zero insight. They have moved out of the match day thread en masse, a flock of wide-eyed keyboard warriors, and set up camp in the post-match. Ignore.
Nice change to have a more difficult decision for MoM because of good performances.
Overall I think we did pretty well and certainly deserved the win. That's the kind of game I expected at the start of the season, at times we played some excellent football but there were also periods where we lost a bit of control. The key is obviously to have less of those periods and in time that should happen.
Overall I think we did pretty well and certainly deserved the win. That's the kind of game I expected at the start of the season, at times we played some excellent football but there were also periods where we lost a bit of control. The key is obviously to have less of those periods and in time that should happen.
ThanksRashford brushed the ball barely with his right arm.
Antonio did not score directly, but neither did Rashy. He had to go around Pickford and Pickford got something on it.
It‘s just very inconsistent. The rules need changing.
Despite the rampant negativity on the matchday thread, understandably fueled by a decade of frustration, we were actually excellent in that first half. Not Man City excellent, I’ll grant you that, but still miles and miles ahead of where we’ve been the last few seasons.
Adverse referee decisions (including a mind-bogglingly idiotic misunderstanding of the handball rule), come from behind, a decent opponent in their own house (where not that long ago they thrashed us), an early injury, our best defender out and after a long flight back home on two days rest. We were full value for the win and showed signs of finally putting into practice the manager’s vision.
Adverse referee decisions (including a mind-bogglingly idiotic misunderstanding of the handball rule), come from behind, a decent opponent in their own house (where not that long ago they thrashed us), an early injury, our best defender out and after a long flight back home on two days rest. We were full value for the win and showed signs of finally putting into practice the manager’s vision.
No idea what game you were watching. Martial was well off the pace and clearly not fit (he missed a reasonable half chance), Ronaldo had a good game and I don't think everton were ever "in control" and we looked much less like conceding than in previous seasons in that position. And then there's the little fact that they had one of the best defensive records in the PL so not quite "muck"
And they say, I'm negative...
Ah here…first I’m talking about Martial more generally not just last night hence my reference to Sancho or another striker.
Second Ronaldo did very little other than score which is fine but we clearly sat off and allowed a really shit Everton side settle when he came on.
Third, you go watch the game again, despite the goal, with Martial on the pitch we played higher and had them pinned. We dictated the tempo and Everton relied on our mistakes to get out. Second half we had 50/50 possession, Everton spent far too long in our half and had no less that 20 crosses. They were well in the game. Like many have recognised …most days we concede from that position and then the catastophe starts…
so all I’m saying is don’t let the result of Ronny’s 700th goal fool you…a semi decent side beats us in that second half. We were passive and content to sit deep. It was concerning because again…Everton basically handed us the initiative on a platter once they scored. We just didn’t capitalise.
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Never noticed Antony's second pair of ears before.
Probably you had Thursday game so intensity dropped eventually when Ronaldo came. But you played very good game. So enjoy it rather than picking negatives.
This would help our team sooooooooo much if this could continue. I have been a huge critic of his, but would love to see him come good again. He has always done better with competition around him.
Funny enough, its quite funny how light the post match thread is compared to losses or less impressive wins.
Should have been 3-1.
Was Rashford expected to break his own arm so the ball would not touch it?
All the big talk from these wanabe Liverpool. They were the usual shite after their one shot/goal.
Erik expected them to come at us at the end but we defended well and saw the game through.
Was Rashford expected to break his own arm so the ball would not touch it?
All the big talk from these wanabe Liverpool. They were the usual shite after their one shot/goal.
Erik expected them to come at us at the end but we defended well and saw the game through.
I think you have to go with a performance that makes me optimistic.
Casemiro had loads of mistakes, but several poke tackles and the glorious through ball to Ronnie. His positioning and his pace of play, passing is of a much higher standard than McTominay and Fred. I thought he was half fouled in the lead up to their goal, that probably gets called in La Liga and the CL, but not here. Once those errors are squeezed out of his game, he’s really going to be a rock for us.
Eriksen… he’s just pure class. My worry is that he is so important to what Ten Hag wants to do, he’s going to play him every match. Don’t understand why we had to sell Garner, as he looked good against us and clearly is better on the ball than McFred.
Okay, very clear how Ten Hag wants Martial to operate, almost as a half false nine, definitely coming deep, then sending the wingers through. It’s definitely classic Firmino role. feck me, he’s always injured. I’m hoping we can move Ronnie on in the January window and bring in a CF that operates like Firmino/Martial because Rashford and Antony are absolutely made for that role.
I should add that Shaw was excellent.
Casemiro had loads of mistakes, but several poke tackles and the glorious through ball to Ronnie. His positioning and his pace of play, passing is of a much higher standard than McTominay and Fred. I thought he was half fouled in the lead up to their goal, that probably gets called in La Liga and the CL, but not here. Once those errors are squeezed out of his game, he’s really going to be a rock for us.
Eriksen… he’s just pure class. My worry is that he is so important to what Ten Hag wants to do, he’s going to play him every match. Don’t understand why we had to sell Garner, as he looked good against us and clearly is better on the ball than McFred.
Okay, very clear how Ten Hag wants Martial to operate, almost as a half false nine, definitely coming deep, then sending the wingers through. It’s definitely classic Firmino role. feck me, he’s always injured. I’m hoping we can move Ronnie on in the January window and bring in a CF that operates like Firmino/Martial because Rashford and Antony are absolutely made for that role.
I should add that Shaw was excellent.
Didn’t mean Ronaldo was bad (yeah it read like that for sure
).I noticed that once Ronnie is on the pitch, his teammates tend to switch to lazy passing. Especially Eriksen. No intricate short passing, no relentless running, they just start to load the ball into that box. Team style changes and it doesn’t look good especially with Ronaldo desperately out of form.
I genuinely don't see this, honestly think it's in your head.Didn’t mean Ronaldo was bad (yeah it read like that for sure
I noticed that once Ronnie is on the pitch, his teammates tend to switch to lazy passing. Especially Eriksen. No intricate short passing, no relentless running, they just start to load the ball into that box. Team style changes and it doesn’t look good especially with Ronaldo desperately out of form.
Me neither. But there you go.
Something we saw a marked improvement was the pressing, or rather defending on the front foot. Defending whilst moving forward rather than running backwards.
Every team team we beat is crap, or having a bad day, or both.
We always play bad as a team and only individual brilliance wins out.
We can't string two passes together except when the ball mysteriously lands at the feet of three or four consecutive players.
Every player that's been here more than two seasons is deadwood and those here for less than two season were bought for too much, except for the players in both categories.
Hope I got all that right
So with that out of the way...
Another nice win, three more points, that's 5 wins in 8 games on the season so far and sitting 5th in the table. Oh, and we're 5 points above 10th, for all that 10th place matters. I'm certainly not ready to write this season off yet.
Frankly, there's been a lot of progress over the course of eight games and the new players are bedding in nicely. The old players are actually, for the most part, improving or at least available as subs rather than starting. I'm seeing better forward ball movement more often than in the past several years. around the box, we're getting better, faster ball movement. It's not there yet, but it's getting better. I do see a higher level of comfort in player movement and anticipation. The baby steps are getting somewhere.
Hoping Ronaldo getting to 700 resolves some things for him. Not sure what, don't care what, as long as that isn't hanging around. It was getting really awkward at Omonia.
Antony really seems to be finding his groove. As someone else observed, he gives us a level of control on the right that we haven't had.
DeGea came out of his box in a rather vulnerable position to clear a ball. How novel. I was proud of him for that.
We always play bad as a team and only individual brilliance wins out.
We can't string two passes together except when the ball mysteriously lands at the feet of three or four consecutive players.
Every player that's been here more than two seasons is deadwood and those here for less than two season were bought for too much, except for the players in both categories.
Hope I got all that right
So with that out of the way...
Another nice win, three more points, that's 5 wins in 8 games on the season so far and sitting 5th in the table. Oh, and we're 5 points above 10th, for all that 10th place matters. I'm certainly not ready to write this season off yet.
Frankly, there's been a lot of progress over the course of eight games and the new players are bedding in nicely. The old players are actually, for the most part, improving or at least available as subs rather than starting. I'm seeing better forward ball movement more often than in the past several years. around the box, we're getting better, faster ball movement. It's not there yet, but it's getting better. I do see a higher level of comfort in player movement and anticipation. The baby steps are getting somewhere.
Hoping Ronaldo getting to 700 resolves some things for him. Not sure what, don't care what, as long as that isn't hanging around. It was getting really awkward at Omonia.
Antony really seems to be finding his groove. As someone else observed, he gives us a level of control on the right that we haven't had.
DeGea came out of his box in a rather vulnerable position to clear a ball. How novel. I was proud of him for that.
We throughly won this game. The Rashford no-goal was shameful, but even 3-1 wasn't as accurate a reflection of our dominance. The last 5 minutes was a little hairy but the first 85 min was a solid spanking IMHO.
And I'm going to get pinged for sure by saying this, but I thought our offense stepped it up a notch once #7 got in the game...he looked focused and hungry.
And I'm going to get pinged for sure by saying this, but I thought our offense stepped it up a notch once #7 got in the game...he looked focused and hungry.
I agree. For years the lad has been touted inside and outside OT as a 'Carrick in the making', so it doesn't make sense. I would have loved to see him have at least one season alongside Matic, 'old head + young legs' sort of thing.... guess that is now going to be Casemiro + ???
Perhaps he 'blotted his copy book' somehow, or got tired of waiting? Suppose we will have to await the 'memoirs'.
DDG was very good in the sweeper role. Prevented a very good goal scoring chance when he swept the ball in the 1st half. Last season he'd have stayed on his line and we'd have probably conceded there.
Shaw was a beast. I thought we'd have lazy Shaw after his weak pass in the beginning few minutes but since then no mistake whatsoever and he was very good attacking wise. Just frustrating that we need to sign a new left back every time for him to up his performance. Malacia seems like a capable backup for what its worth, he'll keep Shaw on his toes.
Martinez and Lindelof - good
Dalot - couldn't control or find a pass to save his life
Eriksen/Casemiro - very good linkup
Fernandes - a bit anonymous, didn't get going
Rashford/Antony - good enough. Antony had little help from Dalot, was always 2v1
Martial - shame he's injured, we were very good with him
Ronaldo - good goal but it's looking like he can't keep up anymore
Shaw was a beast. I thought we'd have lazy Shaw after his weak pass in the beginning few minutes but since then no mistake whatsoever and he was very good attacking wise. Just frustrating that we need to sign a new left back every time for him to up his performance. Malacia seems like a capable backup for what its worth, he'll keep Shaw on his toes.
Martinez and Lindelof - good
Dalot - couldn't control or find a pass to save his life
Eriksen/Casemiro - very good linkup
Fernandes - a bit anonymous, didn't get going
Rashford/Antony - good enough. Antony had little help from Dalot, was always 2v1
Martial - shame he's injured, we were very good with him
Ronaldo - good goal but it's looking like he can't keep up anymore
Didn’t mean Ronaldo was bad (yeah it read like that for sure
I noticed that once Ronnie is on the pitch, his teammates tend to switch to lazy passing. Especially Eriksen. No intricate short passing, no relentless running, they just start to load the ball into that box. Team style changes and it doesn’t look good especially with Ronaldo desperately out of form.
Tbf I get what he's saying as I've felt it sometimes too.
I think it isn't intentional, rather mental (at the back of their minds).
When they have Ronaldo on, sometimes they pass it to him even if someone else is in a better position and Ronaldo is being marked.
Its like "that's Ronaldo, he'll do something with the ball, lets give it to him". Fernandes does this a lot I feel.
And this isn't meant to be negative towards anyone. I feel its subconscious.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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25%
Casemiro
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11%
Christian Eriksen
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10%
Lisandro Martinez
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8%
Antony
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6%
Cristiano Ronaldo
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6%
Marcus Rashford
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5%
David de Gea
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2%
Victor Lindelof
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1%
Bruno Fernandes
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 298 ratings.
Score Predictions
156,22,33
- Man Utd win
- Everton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 27% Everton 1:2 Man Utd
- 14% Everton 0:2 Man Utd
- 11% Everton 1:3 Man Utd
- 10% Everton 1:1 Man Utd
- 7% Everton 0:1 Man Utd
- 6% Everton 0:3 Man Utd
- 5% Everton 2:2 Man Utd
- 4% Everton 2:1 Man Utd
- 3% Everton 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 2:0 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 2:4 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 0:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 0:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 0:9 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Everton
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 39% 61%
- Shots
- 10 12
- Shots on Target
- 2 4
- Corners
- 5 4
- Fouls
- 7 13
Referee
David Coote
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Cristiano Ronaldo
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replaced by Raphael Varane
