[Tony247]

Martial's performance for 250k per week wages is utter disgrace. Had he been on something like 70k to 90k it would have been still tolerable. But 250k demands an elite type performance week in week out, 60-80 mins per match.

250k/week for a striker who hardly gets involved in attacking moves, doesn't get a single shot on target and just wander around on pitch. How much did we pay him for today's match? 125k? Let that sink in.

 

[Member 109952]

We never win when our rivals drop points. Disappointed as hell. Imagine how could you would feel if we won.

The top 10 teams outside the top 2 have condensed into the most equal it's ever been, so we have no right to be beating the likes of Everton and Wolves on paper. A mix of the other teams improving and us, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea weakening makes for a very competitive top 4 race.

 

[Litch]

Sorry that formation was an absolute joke. Why change it now. Brought out the worse of some of our players and left us too open.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Every chance we get to gain on Chelsea we feck it up.

 

[bonothom]

Played well first half despite De Geas moment. 2nd half not so good. But Everton are a decent team especially at home and a point isn't that bad a result. I've said this before if Bruno had been bought last summer United would have at least 10 more points and be comfortably top 4. Whoever made the decision to delay the signing may have cost United top 4.Although I actually have more confidence now than at any other stage of the season that this United team could well win 7 out of the last 10. Add a couple of draws to that and 65 points would be enough for top 4 and for Ole to continue next season.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Hmm. Not an awful lot to say. I predicted a draw, it was the realistic result to be honest - Everton are better than their league position suggests. First half, DDG's howler aside, we were the better team and likewise them in the second half. A point there isn't a disaster but we have done ourselves no favours either, again. I still don't think we're getting top 4.

 

[ghagua]

Ighalo should have started the game. A player who actually wants to get into the box and score. I have simply given up on Martial and his occasional brilliance. Our fullbacks offer nothing going forward. Midfield crumbles while trying to retain the ball under pressure. Bruno looks a great signing for us. Fred was awesome and becoming a really important part of the team. De Gea needs to be put of his misery. Let him go to PSG and give Romero a chance.

 

[Falcow]

True, that was the worst call of them all. I don't even know what would happen if they scored from that free kick. Would VAR then rule it out?

It didn't even look like handball in real time from the high-up TV camera angle. What on earth did the referee think he even saw?

No idea what he saw but I think I heard the commentator say Var wouldn't be looking at it.....no idea why that is.

 

[eire-red]

Apparently Pogba is training on his own somewhere. Likely not going to factor into the squad the rest of this season.

You really have to wonder what is going on there considering Andre Gomes fractured and dislocated his ankle only like 4 months ago or something.

Why did Pogba come back and then decide after all the original rehab to have surgery. Surely the smart choice is to have it after the original injury. We could do with him big time in this run in.

 

[MartinRed]

Not great , not terrible.

 

[eire-red]

No idea what he saw but I think I heard the commentator say Var wouldn't be looking at it.....no idea why that is.

I think VAR will only review passages of play that directly lead to a goal, handball and fouls in build up, and potential penalties. It wouldn't review the ref's terrible call, even if it indirectly lead to a goal. Think of it like once the ref cells the free kick, that passage is done and nothing will be reviewed prior to that.

It's stupid, I know..much like the Carabao Cup final today, City scored the winning goal from a corner when it was never a corner but that doesn't fall under VAR's remit.

 

[Member 101269]

Like the pervious game the players looked nervous and full of errors, deserved to be 1-0 down.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

If Siggy doesn’t move his feet the ball hits him and goes out for a corner. Does this make him “active”?

Almost. By moving his foot he activated himself. If he'd remained inactive (i.e. not moved his foot to give the ball a clear path to goal) the ball likely hits him and rolls out for a goal kick.

 

[Member 113277]

I'd wager most of you would be livid if the goal at the end got disallowed for you. There is no way that De Gea would have time to react if Gylfi wasn't there. He didn't need to adjust because of him and he could see over him so there was no obstruction to De Gea. He followed the path of the ball from when DCL hit it and from when it deflected from Maguire. It was just one of those goals that was very lucky and left a keeper with no chance to react. With or without Gylfi being there. Obviously I will be a bit biased but it was a poor choice to disallow it.

I know what you mean and I can empathise with any Everton supporter who feels badly done by, as you were finishing strongly and pushing hard for a goal.

I'd probably take the view that just by being there, your player was interfering with play, as he was in the line of sight (though he did not try to gain an advantage) and I imagine that Jon Moss, the VAR, probably took the same view.

The ref didn't have great control on the game either and I'm interested to hear what Carlo said to him. Don't like to abuse them but good on Carlo for sticking up for a poor decision.

Can't blame the ref on the field, he didn't give the goal - but I imagine CA said something similar to Fred, when he got a yellow for protesting after he handled the ball with his knee - might have involved a well known high street optician's chain.

 

[roseguy64]

Apparently Pogba is training on his own somewhere. Likely not going to factor into the squad the rest of this season.

What do you mean? Pogba was at Carrington during the week

 

[VorZakone]

Ancelotti got a red card at the end.

 

[cyberman]

First time weve gained a single point on Liverpool this season

 

[RoyH1]

Remind me not to bash VAR for the next couple of weeks. We gained a point with it today.

 

[roonster09]

Poor performance but decent result. Second half was terrible, looked like bottom level team.

 

[matt10000]

Bruno was good but we missed the pace of Rashford. Will be good to see them play together. Next season hopefully we will either have replaced Pogba with quality or Pogba stays committed and playing. De Gea?? Is this another Jim Leighton moment??

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

1st half we were great, 2nd half we were appalling.

A win would have been huge but when you factor in how bad we were 2nd half and the big VAR incident right at the end, I'm happy with a point.

Respect the point.

Ref was absolute shit, Fred being booked for the ball hitting his knee is one of the all time crap decisions.

 

[GaryLifo]

Sigurdsson dummies the ball so it can go into the net. If he stays still it doesn't go in. It's offside either way.

Imagine a player in the same position but standing up opens his legs to allow the ball past him into the goal from the same deflected shot. Nobody bats an eyelid at the offside call. For some reason people think being on the floor when he dummies it makes any difference. It doesn't.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Our PL winning streak dies at 2 again

Draw was fair in the end I think. Referee was abysmal. Ighalo has already missed 3 sitters here. On to Derby

 

[GiddyUp]

A player lying on the ground in front of a keeper in an offside position should always be called offside, no questions, if injured play should be stopped immediately. By just laying there you are active as you are impeding the keeper and the play.

 

[GaryLifo]

A player lying on the ground in front of a keeper in an offside position should always be called offside, no questions, if injured play should be stopped immediately. By just laying there you are active as you are impeding the keeper and the play.

And even more so when you actively move out of the way so the ball can go into the net. It's offside and anyone claiming it was a bent decision doesn't understand the rules.

 

[NewGlory]

I think formation let us down today. It made sense for utilizing all of our good players in the starting line-up, but it's a formation we almost never play so players were visibly uncomfortable, Martial and Greenwood ended up playing as wingers, instead of two collaborating strikers, and it just didn't work. We had more quality on the field, but the formation didn't work. In hindsight Ole should have probably played 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 skipping McT in the starting line-up and using him as an impact sub. With the formation we had, he was switched off anyway.

 

[Buster15]

Martial's performance for 250k per week wages is utter disgrace. Had he been on something like 70k to 90k it would have been still tolerable. But 250k demands an elite type performance week in week out, 60-80 mins per match.

250k/week for a striker who hardly gets involved in attacking moves, doesn't get a single shot on target and just wander around on pitch. How much did we pay him for today's match? 125k? Let that sink in.

Apart from the money side, which is worthy of thinking about, he is never any good and doesn't try against physical teams.

Defenders are well aware of this limitation and Everton certainly were.

 

[K_Ash]

I thought that formation put everyone in their natural/best position. Matic looks more comfortable as the lone pivot between the CBs. I would like to see that same formation with Pogba on the left and Fred on the right. with Bruno playing that free role.
Can McTom play that lone pivot role? If I recall he might have played that role @PSG

 

[Berbasbullet]

And even more so when you actively move out of the way so the ball can go into the net. It's offside and anyone claiming it was a bent decision doesn't understand the rules.

This!

 

[Smores]

A draw isn't a bad result at all, one of our tougher remaining games.

I wasn't very impressed with the tactical changes or subs from Ole though. We've quite a few players in really good form and it seemed like he killed a lot of our momentum.

People banging on in the first half that we were playing really well, we weren't they just let us have possession and if anything they had the more dangerous chances whilst ours were speculative attempts.

 

[ReddBalls]

Atlhough United were under too much pressure for the last third of the gam, there is a long time since I've seen United playing as well as the did in the first half.

 

[matherto]

They lost to Arsenal after leading twice. Of course they're terrible. Just goes to show how low our standards have dropped.

They're as inconsistent as we are but they're in the same bracket as literally everyone from 3rd-11th or so. All capable of beating anyone but also capable of being utterly terrible.

 

[caid]

People banging on in the first half that we were playing really well, we weren't they just let us have possession and if anything they had the more dangerous chances whilst ours were speculative attempts.

It was better than the 2nd half but agreed. Shaw and Wan Bisakka throwing a few crosses into a packed penalty area doesn't strike me a particularly great attacking plan. Bruno had a few nice bits of play but mostly out wide where its harder to hurt teams. We had a few passing moves that looked nice but it was in the middle of the park and too narrow to open up the defence, they just ended going wide to shaw or back with Matic. Don't get me wrong its nice to keep the ball but thats all its achieving which is a bit disapointing for half a dozen one touch passes around a busy midfield.

 

[wolvored]

I would have taken the draw beforehand, but we should have won that first half. We were lucky second half as we turned to shit. De geas mistake is a one in a million. Dont think we are destined for 3rd or 4th.

 

[wolvored]

Martial's performance for 250k per week wages is utter disgrace. Had he been on something like 70k to 90k it would have been still tolerable. But 250k demands an elite type performance week in week out, 60-80 mins per match.

250k/week for a striker who hardly gets involved in attacking moves, doesn't get a single shot on target and just wander around on pitch. How much did we pay him for today's match? 125k? Let that sink in.

Mourinho wanted to sell him and i have read Ole does as well. According to the papers though Joel Glazer thinks he is the 2nd coming of prime Pele and wont sell.

 

[Nicoseth]

The overreactions on here are unbelievable. We responded excellently to DDG's feck up against an aggressive Everton side who were playing well. Totally dominated the first half and Everton came back into it in the second half. Even then we had our chances - Ighalo's at the end was very close. Goodison under Ancellotti is one of the toughest places to go and we did well. Vitally we didn't lose ground on Chelsea. All of the teams in the race for top 4 will drop points. I think we'll beat City next weekend.

 

[ManchesterYoda]

8 games unbeaten, including wins away at City and Chelsea. Our objective should be to remain unbeaten until the end of the season. Drawing away after winning 3-0 and 5-0 whilst on an unbeaten run is not a bad result, especially if you don't play well enough to deserve a win. We just need to make sure we win our next game. Beat Derby and we're in the next round of FA Cup. We can win FA Cup and I want to win FA Cup and Europa League. No reason we can't because when we play well we are capable of beating any team and that's what counts in cup competitions.

 

[always_hoping]

The positives is United didn't lose and Martial was fit to start.

Needed a bit of Liverpool VAR luck to grab a draw but I think over the 90 plus minutes a draw was a fair result. I think playing Thursday and again Sunday is difficult and later on Ole may have to focus more on 4th or the Europa league not both.

I suppose one can say it was improvement from last seasons embarrassing 4-0 loss.

 

[ManchesterYoda]

I would have taken the draw beforehand, but we should have won that first half. We were lucky second half as we turned to shit. De geas mistake is a one in a million. Dont think we are destined for 3rd or 4th.

We are 8 points behind 3rd. We can finish 3rd if we continue to maintain our improved level of performance. If we go backwards again we could finish something like 8th. 3rd is on the podium and on the podium is what I believe should be the minimum standard each and every season. Not 4th or 5th. THIRD.
GOLD is the objective. Silver and bronze are acceptable. 4th and below is nowhere.

 

[Irrational.]

They're as inconsistent as we are but they're in the same bracket as literally everyone from 3rd-11th or so. All capable of beating anyone but also capable of being utterly terrible.

Good point. We're about the same level at the moment and I suppose it's a fair result in the end.