Wish I could be in there tbh
Pleased with his response, I don't want to hear we played well and were unlucky etc etc.... want the lads to get a swift kick up the arse.
PL L FA Premier League
Everton 3:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 26 April 2015
Pleased with his response, I don't want to hear we played well and were unlucky etc etc.... want the lads to get a swift kick up the arse.
We were poor and never really troubled Everton. Our 3 key players this seasons have been DDG, Rooney and Carrick. One was injured, one had his usual poor game against Everton and the other seemed unusually shaky. When then happens, you'll always struggle.
To get around deep defences like that, you need pace and width. We lack both imo.
That said, I think people are overreacting. Like I said in another thread, this game proved that we need an alternative for Carrick, a better defence and improvements in other positions (right back, wing, midfield) and a back up to Rooney. We knew all this already.
To get around deep defences like that, you need pace and width. We lack both imo.
That said, I think people are overreacting. Like I said in another thread, this game proved that we need an alternative for Carrick, a better defence and improvements in other positions (right back, wing, midfield) and a back up to Rooney. We knew all this already.
Probably started feeling overconfident. Going by Louie's words, that will be nipped in the bud pretty quickly.
Complacency, that Top 4 is tied up. Well I want better than 4th place. Don't want a pre-qualifying round for the CL.
I think LVG has hit the players right where it hurts. To talk about a lack of motivation, when fans travel up and down the country forking out good cash to watch them play will embarrass them hopefully. I think the fact that LVG included Giggs and Suivenberg in this observation makes me think that there is going to be one hell of a rollicking tomorrow. Playing piss poor when you are really trying is accpetable, playing poorly because you aren't that motivated is absolutely not on with the money these guys are paid...
Have you been on RAWK?
Exactly, I want that 3rd place. Unfortunately Citeh now 2 points ahead and we have to depend on them having a feck up somewhere.... hope LVG & Co absolutely murders them in training this week.
Meaning?
I think that's our worst performance of the season, especially the 2nd half. We looked toothless, slow and bereft of any ideas. I don't think anyone played well, Smalling was probably the least worst so by default was our MOTM.
I think this is a needed reminder of how far away we still are from being a top team. There are a number of players who have performed well in recent weeks who I still don't think are good enough to be long term Utd starters and games like today reinforce that.
I think we'll get top 4 anyway but yeah, today was really poor.
I think this is a needed reminder of how far away we still are from being a top team. There are a number of players who have performed well in recent weeks who I still don't think are good enough to be long term Utd starters and games like today reinforce that.
I think we'll get top 4 anyway but yeah, today was really poor.
Horror show by the entire team - De Gea starting to look tired and lacking confidence. Over run in the midfield and upfront we were anonymous
Very bad day at the office, hope that Rooney's injury isn't serious.
Very bad day at the office, hope that Rooney's injury isn't serious.
The most knee jerk set of fans.
I think ours take the biscuits, just go on twitter. You'll see a million blogposts and articles tomorrow on our "problems" , shit players etc etc.
I don't think they are shit, they just seemed not quite up for it today. It also highlighted yet again where we need strengthening. These are they games that you make your list of summer signings from.
A nice throwback to our brainless 3-5-2 hit and hope crossing antics. Today was a game where all our deficiencies were laid to the barest extent.
1. We struggle to break down teams that decide to sit deep and play physical man marking. (this wasn't helped by the shitface Marriner)
2. Our lack of strikers who can actually hold the ball up and play less with their back to goal. (in all fairness RVP does this far better than Falcao and Rooney)
3. Lack of a force of nature player like Ronnie who could change games on a whim.
4. Valencia is NOT anywhere near the standard we should be settling for. If he won't cut it at City / Chelsea / Arsenal / any other top draw team, he shouldn't even be in consideration for first spot. Lack of awareness and extreme one-footedness and inability to make a decent cross for seasons now.
5. This panic basic instinct that we revert to of mindlessly lobbing in crosses despite our players being shorter and outnumbered in the penalty box. Where's the motivation to play incisive passing? This is linked to our spatially aware strikers who aren't incisive enough.
6. Frailties in defence. Hummels would be lovely if we can land him. Desperately need some cajones and some boss-ness on the back line. (Shaw and Smalling were good today)
7. Lack of options other than Carrick for a deep playmaker sitting at the base of midfield to find passes and create space.
1. We struggle to break down teams that decide to sit deep and play physical man marking. (this wasn't helped by the shitface Marriner)
2. Our lack of strikers who can actually hold the ball up and play less with their back to goal. (in all fairness RVP does this far better than Falcao and Rooney)
3. Lack of a force of nature player like Ronnie who could change games on a whim.
4. Valencia is NOT anywhere near the standard we should be settling for. If he won't cut it at City / Chelsea / Arsenal / any other top draw team, he shouldn't even be in consideration for first spot. Lack of awareness and extreme one-footedness and inability to make a decent cross for seasons now.
5. This panic basic instinct that we revert to of mindlessly lobbing in crosses despite our players being shorter and outnumbered in the penalty box. Where's the motivation to play incisive passing? This is linked to our spatially aware strikers who aren't incisive enough.
6. Frailties in defence. Hummels would be lovely if we can land him. Desperately need some cajones and some boss-ness on the back line. (Shaw and Smalling were good today)
7. Lack of options other than Carrick for a deep playmaker sitting at the base of midfield to find passes and create space.
I think the fact LVG mentioned that he Giggs and Albert all thought something was wrong before the kick off says a lot. There is no way he, or especially Giggs will put up with that sort of attitude.
No Carrick and our back looks aweful,we are struggling against physical and organised sides.
Well that was utter utter shit, quite possibly our worst game of the season (both scoreline and the actual match) notwithstanding the 0-4 vs MK Dons. And even in that game we hardly played any first-team players so that might be out of the discussion.
To bring out the old cliche "failure breeds success" I hope us as a team can learn this mistake and bounce back from these kinds of defeats, like we have done so numerous times under Fergie. We'll see how we cope against WBA, who will no doubt try to use the same tactics Everton did today. But if this loss today was partially down to mental weakness from the disappointment against Chelsea last week then this does not bode well at all.
On the other hand congrats Everton, fully deserved the 3 points
To bring out the old cliche "failure breeds success" I hope us as a team can learn this mistake and bounce back from these kinds of defeats, like we have done so numerous times under Fergie. We'll see how we cope against WBA, who will no doubt try to use the same tactics Everton did today. But if this loss today was partially down to mental weakness from the disappointment against Chelsea last week then this does not bode well at all.
On the other hand congrats Everton, fully deserved the 3 points
Can't say I'm shocked about the energy level having dropped for this game, the run of Arsenal in FA Cup semi on though 'Pool, City and Chelsea probably sapped them a bit and it's understandable, although not exactly forgivable. Fellaini's yellow was deserved (I still think he gets away with far too much, and he's somehow managed to continue getting away with it), and it changed the course of the match. There were glimpses of some of the nice play this team has managed recently, but we were killed off by Everton's conversions, and our failings to convert. Valencia again proved why he's not the future at RB, IMO. His crossing to no one in particular was also less than endearing. McNair has promise in my eyes, but what good work he did was overshadowed by some real nightmare decisions and was out of his depth at times. Rooney's struggles at Goodison continue. I also agree with those who think Blind wasn't anywhere near match fit. De Gea's form over the past few weeks is also a bit concerning. Back to the positives though. 'Pool drew and show no signs of righting their ship, and overall LvG has identified a winning spine to build on for next season. European Tuesday and Wednesday nights are still in touching distance, and, if we could've just converted some chances, we could have got a result. Also, I really haven't watched Everton too much lately, but they were a far improved side today from the last I watched them. A spirited performance from them, and the best team won. Injuries really took their toll on us today as well. I really hope Wazza is not seriously injured.
Also, I've seen a few posters calling for a plan B. I think LvG will (wisely IMO) stick with plan A for the rest of the season to snatch a European spot. What I am hoping for, though, is for next season the current tactical arrangement is the plan B for a new, more dynamic plan A.
Also, I've seen a few posters calling for a plan B. I think LvG will (wisely IMO) stick with plan A for the rest of the season to snatch a European spot. What I am hoping for, though, is for next season the current tactical arrangement is the plan B for a new, more dynamic plan A.
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No doubt we have many on here ready to write off our players, I just don't think we hype up the players, or the team as much as they do on RAWK, only to tear them down again.
Yes, the tearing down one is the part am referring to.
We definitely have a problem when it comes to teams sitting back, trying to hit us on the break. I didn't expect Everton to be so deep today but it should have been obvious. It has been our achilles all season and is one of the reasons I can't see us getting more points than Chelsea next year.
Not to take anything away from Everton, but I had that nagging feeling for most of the game that we were beating ourselves more than anything. Very frustrating, especially at 3-0 and trying to see the game out, completely giving up.
I'm not too concerned overall, we've still got obvious flaws but we're definitely going in the right direction.
Not to take anything away from Everton, but I had that nagging feeling for most of the game that we were beating ourselves more than anything. Very frustrating, especially at 3-0 and trying to see the game out, completely giving up.
I'm not too concerned overall, we've still got obvious flaws but we're definitely going in the right direction.
I think this is a good assessment. I agree about the Plan B. To be honest, I really don't think LVG has the confidence in the variety of players he has to have a plan B.
Wouldn't calling us the most "knee-jerk supporters ever" ahead of RAWK just because we will see a "million" articles critizing us tomorrow (and we're not the only set of supporters who criticize our team after a loss), more or less knee-jerk in itself?
Yes, some, perhaps many, will go overboard in their criticism, but ahead of RAWK? Are you sure?
Completely agree. I think bringing on Falcao and DiMaria was the Plan B for today to change the course of the match. It (currently) inspires absolutely no confidence in me. One can only wonder what LvG thinks. On a side note, it's bloody shocking to me that I just basically typed the sentence, "We brought on Falcao and DiMaria to change the course of the match, and I had no confidence they could do it". I mean, less than a year ago, I would've slapped myself in the face for typing such a thing.
You know we played an awful game when the caf twitter accounts stop tweeting after half time.
Anyone else think we started well, and that their goal was flukey, and that goals change games, and that its hard to score vs everton in goodison when they park the bus? Maybe not the end of the world.
I have noticed when following games on here, that we are playing well, then the mood changes as we promptly go and concede a goal. I think we need to learn how to score early when we are on top.
I think we just need to be less result oriented.
I think people equate not having chances in the final 30 mins to us getting 'outplayed'
Goals change games and it was nice for everton for the goals they got, for the yellow card that the dive from barkley bought, they could just sit inside their box and head away crosses.
It is easy for fans to come in here and say why didn't we play through balls?!?!?!??!?! Why wasn't young more creative?
I would challenge those people to say they haven't watched much football in their lives, because it is hard to score against ultra defensive outfits away from home.
As you say it does come down to scoring early goals when we're on top, but for the fans watching it is important to recognise that conceding early goals away is going to make the game tough to win, and it doesn't mean that our entire squad needs overhauling in the summer.
What are the stats on us getting points when we go behind this season?
Other than City I can't think of that a many, if we don't score 1st I just can't see us winning.
Other than City I can't think of that a many, if we don't score 1st I just can't see us winning.
It's understandable though. The main goal, top 4, was reached a few weeks ago. After that the players wanted to show who's the best in the end, not by winning the PL but by beating also Chelsea. Didn't work out, disappointing of course, but just get on with it and win those games where there's not much glory in it. But they forgot how difficult it is, how much focus, concentration and fight they needed for this new style and winning streak, it's still far from something they can do without thinking.
I can't remember last time i was so salty after a United game. We played shit, Ref was a c*nt and Everton scored three shitty goals we should have been able to deal with. Maybe im overreacting here, but these are my thoughts
1. We desperately need a new RB in the summer. Valencia has been fine this year (by his standards), but people who think any other top team would have him in his line up is mental. He is fast and strong, but that is about it. His overall defensive and offensive contribution are simply not good enough
2. We need a "game changer" up front like we had in Ronaldo or RvP two years ago. Someone that can conjure up some magic when we are struggling. Di Maria has the potential for that, but he hasn't delivered the goods lately. Rooney seems to have run into his seasonal slump of form and looks like a pub player.
3. Jury is still out, but Blind can't fill Carricks boots
4. LvG needs to come up with a new plan against team who sits deep and looks to hit us on the counter. Having 70% possession is meaningless if you don't create anything.
1. We desperately need a new RB in the summer. Valencia has been fine this year (by his standards), but people who think any other top team would have him in his line up is mental. He is fast and strong, but that is about it. His overall defensive and offensive contribution are simply not good enough
2. We need a "game changer" up front like we had in Ronaldo or RvP two years ago. Someone that can conjure up some magic when we are struggling. Di Maria has the potential for that, but he hasn't delivered the goods lately. Rooney seems to have run into his seasonal slump of form and looks like a pub player.
3. Jury is still out, but Blind can't fill Carricks boots
4. LvG needs to come up with a new plan against team who sits deep and looks to hit us on the counter. Having 70% possession is meaningless if you don't create anything.
Well, it's United, and we haven't secured a top four place yet to be honest, mathematically and you're playing for one of the best clubs the world ( to me the best but obviously that is arguable). There is absolutely no excuse for a lack of motivation when you put on that shirt. You are so dam privileged and there should be no need for anything but working your ass off. That is how scholes, played, giggs etc etc etc. LVG and his team noticed a off kilter attitude. I don't think we will see this again.
Regarding ADM, I kept thinking about him not getting a pre-season with us and that it would be better next season. Lo and behold it's the Copa bloody America isn't it.
agreed, I said this in another thread. However...dam...I forgot about the Copa....
We dropped the soap and tyrese took full advantage.
Fixed it for you.
I thought about this during the game, some players will lose a lot from this game and Van gaal will be pissed, I didn't see any determination today.
I was worried when I saw Blind had been put back in midfield. He isn't good enough to play there. I don't think he's even nearly good enough to play there. Especially if we're going to try and play in the opposition half all game. He takes too long, he gives the ball away too easily, and he's really poor positionally.
Look at the difference he made to our midfield compared to last week when it didn't have to put up with him. I'm worried he's Van Gaal's pet and will get games there despite his gaping flaws and inferiority in absolutely every way to Herrera (who isn't ideal for that position himself).
Blind is a good full back so either use him there or don't use him.
That said, Valencia as usual spent the whole afternoon playing in an identical game of football to the one taking place, but that kicked off about 10 seconds later. Even when we've looked good Valencia has still managed to look absolutely horrendous, and I can't say that about any other player.
McNair also played with the confidence of a man who'd move house if he found a spider in his bedroom.
You can't carry three passengers against a good team. Let alone when the rest of your team doesn't play well enough to get away with carrying any.
I didn't really get the subs either. I'd have had Blind off before half time but instead we made changes to players who although they weren't doing much, weren't causing any of the problems either. If there's a hole in the bottom of your boat you don't fix it by putting your oars away and getting out some slightly different ones. Two of Everton's best players were in United shirts and they both finished the game.
Last week I thought we played ok and were unlucky. This week it was back to being a disjointed mess.
Look at the difference he made to our midfield compared to last week when it didn't have to put up with him. I'm worried he's Van Gaal's pet and will get games there despite his gaping flaws and inferiority in absolutely every way to Herrera (who isn't ideal for that position himself).
Blind is a good full back so either use him there or don't use him.
That said, Valencia as usual spent the whole afternoon playing in an identical game of football to the one taking place, but that kicked off about 10 seconds later. Even when we've looked good Valencia has still managed to look absolutely horrendous, and I can't say that about any other player.
McNair also played with the confidence of a man who'd move house if he found a spider in his bedroom.
You can't carry three passengers against a good team. Let alone when the rest of your team doesn't play well enough to get away with carrying any.
I didn't really get the subs either. I'd have had Blind off before half time but instead we made changes to players who although they weren't doing much, weren't causing any of the problems either. If there's a hole in the bottom of your boat you don't fix it by putting your oars away and getting out some slightly different ones. Two of Everton's best players were in United shirts and they both finished the game.
Last week I thought we played ok and were unlucky. This week it was back to being a disjointed mess.
Unprofessional permormance, lack of interest for the game, Roy Keane would have killed 'em.
Most of them unworthy to represent the club
Most of them unworthy to represent the club
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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27%
Luke Shaw
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12%
Ander Herrera
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3%
Ashley Young
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2%
Paddy McNair
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2%
Robin Van Persie
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2%
Radamel Falcao
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2%
Daley Blind
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2%
David de Gea
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1%
Wayne Rooney
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1%
Marouane Fellaini
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1%
Juan Mata
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1%
Antonio Valencia
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1%
Angel Di Maria
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 461 ratings.
Score Predictions
524,33,37
- Man Utd win
- Everton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 26% Everton 0:2 Man Utd
- 20% Everton 1:3 Man Utd
- 17% Everton 1:2 Man Utd
- 12% Everton 0:3 Man Utd
- 4% Everton 1:1 Man Utd
- 4% Everton 0:1 Man Utd
- 3% Everton 1:4 Man Utd
- 3% Everton 2:1 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:4 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 2:3 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 2:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 5:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 3:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 3:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Everton
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 35% 65%
- Shots
- 9 17
- Shots on Target
- 7 4
- Corners
- 7 7
- Fouls
- 6 10
Referee
Andre Marriner
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Angel Di Maria
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replaced by Radamel Falcao
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replaced by Robin Van Persie
